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RE: Texas A&M vs Texas Final on ESPN2
(06-03-2014 04:45 PM)13thOwl Wrote:  
(06-03-2014 04:01 PM)Tiki Owl Wrote:  
(06-03-2014 03:52 PM)13thOwl Wrote:  
(06-03-2014 01:57 PM)gmath Wrote:  
(06-02-2014 08:24 PM)13thOwl Wrote:  From experience, UT grads are arrogantly insecure...

You are flat wrong. That would like me saying Rice grads are eggheads. I know some that aren't.

Perhaps I should have said my experience as a 1982 grad of UT?

Well played 13thOwl...was wondering if you were going to admit it.

Gmath is a good Rice fan and a Texas-ex. He braved the rain like everyone else this weekend. I should have made myself clearer. He and I might have been on campus at the same time. If I were to guess, his wife was on campus well after I graduated. And I fully admit to being flat wrong on an all too often basis...

Thank you. Class of 1980. Looking forward to seeing the next installment of Rice baseball, but was very disappointed in how this season ended way too early.
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I don't think A&M this year was good enough to be in a Super-Regional. However, I've got to hand it to the Austin TV media that picked up on what I certainly observed (FWIW): TV news replays of the UT-A&M game showed 3-4 clips, and every one of them showed a different Aggie batter, standing at the plate in disbelief, at being called out on pitches that were obviously outside the strike zone.
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(06-03-2014 08:08 PM)Barney Wrote:  TV news replays of the UT-A&M game showed 3-4 clips, and every one of them showed a different Aggie batter, standing at the plate in disbelief, at being called out on pitches that were obviously outside the strike zone.

Not surprising: College umps...
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(06-03-2014 09:10 PM)grol Wrote:  
(06-03-2014 08:08 PM)Barney Wrote:  TV news replays of the UT-A&M game showed 3-4 clips, and every one of them showed a different Aggie batter, standing at the plate in disbelief, at being called out on pitches that were obviously outside the strike zone.

Not surprising: College umps...

Always have to beware of the "Wheel of Strike" in college ball.
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(06-03-2014 09:10 PM)grol Wrote:  
(06-03-2014 08:08 PM)Barney Wrote:  TV news replays of the UT-A&M game showed 3-4 clips, and every one of them showed a different Aggie batter, standing at the plate in disbelief, at being called out on pitches that were obviously outside the strike zone.

Not surprising: College umps...

Remains the biggest flaw in the game today.
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(06-03-2014 09:57 PM)pueo99 Wrote:  
(06-03-2014 09:48 PM)Orange County Owl Wrote:  
(06-03-2014 09:10 PM)grol Wrote:  
(06-03-2014 08:08 PM)Barney Wrote:  TV news replays of the UT-A&M game showed 3-4 clips, and every one of them showed a different Aggie batter, standing at the plate in disbelief, at being called out on pitches that were obviously outside the strike zone.

Not surprising: College umps...

Remains the biggest flaw in the game today.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/30/opinio...ticle&_r=0

I've thought about electronically calling balls and strikes since sometime years ago when lasers were first invented and I thought I was on to something. And now MLB has the technology to actually do it.

However, I wouldn't want them to do it.

I think the MLB umps are pretty good. We had this discussion earlier: I think instant replay is bad for the game. Really, umps are a part of the game, they are on the field, they make the calls and they usually get things right. And they have been part of the game for the last 150 years. Suffering through bad calls is part of baseball. When one goes against you it's terrible. Sometimes you benefit and you don't deserve it. It all evens out.

But, unfortunately, college umps aren't that good. I would guess that the error factors quoted in the article are doubled in the college game. It's too bad because when the error factor is big, it's not just missing a play, it's incompetence.

And then there are the umpires who think they are the show...
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(06-03-2014 10:35 PM)grol Wrote:  But, unfortunately, college umps aren't that good. I would guess that the error factors quoted in the article are doubled in the college game.

How much of a skill differential between college and MLB umpires would be reasonable? Surely we should expect that there is some differential. But what differential indicates a genuine (and hopefully correctable) problem, as opposed to simply the drop-off one would naturally expect when comparing the highest-paid, best-supported practitioners in a field to others in the field?

If there is a genuine problem in the skill level of college umpires, what is the underlying reason? Some possibilities might be:
a. The techniques taught are not effective
b. The techniques might be effective, but are poorly taught
c. The incentive structure is out of whack -- accuracy is not sufficiently rewarded
d. The job is so inherently difficult that very few people can do it "well" -- there never will be enough "good" umpires to go around
e. There are plenty of people who could do the job supremely well, but they aren't going into umpiring -- leaving the ranks to be filled with dimwitted, inferior people

If the root problem is (e), then what should be changed to ensure that smarter, more capable people go into umpiring?

(My hunch is that many fans, at least subconsciously, believe a specific variation of (e), along the following lines: "I personally would be much better than the dimwits who are out there -- but of course I personally have uniquely excellent reasons for not subjecting myself to that test")
(This post was last modified: 06-04-2014 12:10 AM by georgewebb.)
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(06-03-2014 10:35 PM)grol Wrote:  
(06-03-2014 09:57 PM)pueo99 Wrote:  
(06-03-2014 09:48 PM)Orange County Owl Wrote:  
(06-03-2014 09:10 PM)grol Wrote:  
(06-03-2014 08:08 PM)Barney Wrote:  TV news replays of the UT-A&M game showed 3-4 clips, and every one of them showed a different Aggie batter, standing at the plate in disbelief, at being called out on pitches that were obviously outside the strike zone.

Not surprising: College umps...

Remains the biggest flaw in the game today.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/30/opinio...ticle&_r=0

I've thought about electronically calling balls and strikes since sometime years ago when lasers were first invented and I thought I was on to something. And now MLB has the technology to actually do it.

However, I wouldn't want them to do it.

I think the MLB umps are pretty good. We had this discussion earlier: I think instant replay is bad for the game. Really, umps are a part of the game, they are on the field, they make the calls and they usually get things right. And they have been part of the game for the last 150 years. Suffering through bad calls is part of baseball. When one goes against you it's terrible. Sometimes you benefit and you don't deserve it. It all evens out.

But, unfortunately, college umps aren't that good. I would guess that the error factors quoted in the article are doubled in the college game. It's too bad because when the error factor is big, it's not just missing a play, it's incompetence.

And then there are the umpires who think they are the show...

Depending on how expensive this is, it could be implemented as an instructional tool to let umpires know objectively where they make mistakes and what they need to fix. If you can't do that for every game, then at least cover 2-3 games for each umpire. If nothing else, you can demonstrate the technology and gain confidence in whether it would work in practice. Plus, you can measure and evaluate umpires better. Ideally, you'd show an improvement in umpiring to the point that using technology wouldn't make sense.
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(06-04-2014 12:09 AM)georgewebb Wrote:  If there is a genuine problem in the skill level of college umpires, what is the underlying reason? Some possibilities might be:
a. The techniques taught are not effective
b. The techniques might be effective, but are poorly taught
c. The incentive structure is out of whack -- accuracy is not sufficiently rewarded
d. The job is so inherently difficult that very few people can do it "well" -- there never will be enough "good" umpires to go around
e. There are plenty of people who could do the job supremely well, but they aren't going into umpiring -- leaving the ranks to be filled with dimwitted, inferior people

If the root problem is (e), then what should be changed to ensure that smarter, more capable people go into umpiring?

(My hunch is that many fans, at least subconsciously, believe a specific variation of (e), along the following lines: "I personally would be much better than the dimwits who are out there -- but of course I personally have uniquely excellent reasons for not subjecting myself to that test")

I think -c- is most important. If accuracy and consistency were monitored, graded and rewarded, I think that (a), (b), (d) and (e) would improve.

Fortunately, I think that we don't have to worry as much about baseball umps taking the path of some soccer refs. What a mess that is, in a sport with a surprisingly low level of official accountability.
(This post was last modified: 06-04-2014 01:22 PM by Almadenmike.)
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(06-04-2014 01:20 PM)Almadenmike Wrote:  I think -c- is most important.

Yes. Also, I would guess underpaid, under appreciated and under supervised.
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(06-02-2014 09:29 AM)RiceFootball2K5 Wrote:  
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(06-01-2014 09:17 PM)I45owl Wrote:  Normally, I'd favor the Horns. But after their douchebaggery last night towards Tekyl, I have to go for the SEC on through. I don't know what the **** that was all about, but **** the Horns.

Yeah, that really p***** me off. I try to root for the Horns and the Aggies when Rice is not involved (Texas pride thing), but that display of arrogance did not sit well with me. And honestly, I don't like the idea of anyone but Rice celebrating on our field.

Big props to UH though. I hope they do well against LSU tonight.

What issue was their with Horns fans and Tekyl?

Teykl was at UT for two seasons with 0 and 1.2 IP, then transferred to San Jac before Rice this year, and the players were giving him hell from the dugout when he was on the bump. Although it could have been simply to get into his head to give up the tying run, which he did.

Not only the chirping from the dugout, but when Tekyl went to back up home plate on the sac fly, their entire dugout ran out there and danced around and celebrated and talked trash to him after the run scored. Several got in his face. One looked like he was going to chest bump him. It was pretty ridiculous. Of course the umpire wasn't looking, and only started looking when Teykl started giving it back.

A few months later, just saw this photo of the incident. Classy bunch of guys over at UT.


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