(05-30-2014 04:42 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(05-30-2014 03:51 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(05-30-2014 03:38 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(05-30-2014 01:49 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Free transfer probably is no net impact overall because for every player transferring for greater glory at a name school another is transferring out to play because NFL doesn't scout the bench.

As for not wanting to give up stipend, kids transfer all the time to FCS and DII and football is an equivalency sport at those levels so not all of them are leaving a full ride to get a full ride as it is now.

Not true. The players Alabama accepts on transfer will be starting quality. For instance, Alabama wont be taking a starting QB from NIU in order to sit him on the bench. Transfers like this will be to fill need position on the team. Players transferring out from Bama will be players that are buried on the Alabama depth chart. So the G5 will work with a 2-star, build him up for two years with strength training, feed him at the training table, coach him up for two years, and when he finally becomes the player the G5 team hoped he would be--he will get poached. In return, the G5 will get the highly touted player out of high school that never developed, the injured guy, or the fellow who wasn't ever the player people thought he was. Thats a net negative in my humble opinion.

No, the big boys are definitely hurt by backups transferring out, if they are good second-stringers, because that erodes their depth, and it's football and you always need depth because shtt happens. That's why they don't want to make transferring any easier than it is now. You're not going to see Meyer or Saban advocating a change that would allow transfers to play right away.

Probably more like baseball where teams end up losing guys they thought they had all the time and will without a doubt cause changes to the signing and transfer process limiting them to certain windows because you don't want the #2 LB at Arkansas transferring to Tulsa AFTER signing day and you don't want to go into signing day thinking your sophmore QB is coming back next year when he isn't.

College baseball is an interesting comparison. Baseball used to allow no-sit-out transfers between two 4-year schools, but doesn't any more. Baseball underclassmen can still transfer to a juco, play baseball there, and transfer to a different 4-year school later on. Football players can also do that but it's a lot more common for baseball players.

In football as you note, it might be useful to have a hard deadline (May 1, after spring practice?) before which a transfer has to be made official in order for the player to play at his new school in the fall.

(05-30-2014 02:10 PM)ohio1317 Wrote:  The biggest thing with the transfer rules to be is the hypocrisy between of how it works for players and coaches. Coaches get a free market based salary and then can transfer anywhere at any time, with only the contracts themselves as a hindrance. In contrast, players commit under one coach, can see him gone in less than a year, can have a bad fit of a college, and aren't getting paid, but have very strict rules for leaving and remaining eligible.

There's big issues no matter how you do it, but that's never sat well with me.

I agree I think players should be able to transfer w/o sitting out if a coach leaves to take another job at a different school. I would make the rule once the new coach is named a player could transfer w/o penalty at the end of the current school year, as long as they finish their academic requirements not to hurt the schools APR.

(05-31-2014 01:18 AM)Aztec Since 88 Wrote:  

(05-30-2014 02:10 PM)ohio1317 Wrote:  The biggest thing with the transfer rules to be is the hypocrisy between of how it works for players and coaches. Coaches get a free market based salary and then can transfer anywhere at any time, with only the contracts themselves as a hindrance. In contrast, players commit under one coach, can see him gone in less than a year, can have a bad fit of a college, and aren't getting paid, but have very strict rules for leaving and remaining eligible.

There's big issues no matter how you do it, but that's never sat well with me.

I agree I think players should be able to transfer w/o sitting out if a coach leaves to take another job at a different school. I would make the rule once the new coach is named a player could transfer w/o penalty at the end of the current school year, as long as they finish their academic requirements not to hurt the schools APR.

I've said for years players should get a free transfer after a coach leaves provided that they don't go to a school employing the coach.

(05-31-2014 09:41 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  I've said for years players should get a free transfer after a coach leaves provided that they don't go to a school employing the coach.

Another thing that affects non-P5 schools more, since P5 schools are busy hiring away our coaches. And they hire our coaches when they are successful....so any time we are successful....our players are also up for grabs? P5 coaches usually leave when they are sucking.

We've been able to overcome the loss of multiple coaching staffs. Losing a batch of players every time along with it we wouldn't have overcome.

(05-31-2014 09:59 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(05-31-2014 09:41 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  I've said for years players should get a free transfer after a coach leaves provided that they don't go to a school employing the coach.

Another thing that affects non-P5 schools more, since P5 schools are busy hiring away our coaches. And they hire our coaches when they are successful....so any time we are successful....our players are also up for grabs? P5 coaches usually leave when they are sucking.

We've been able to overcome the loss of multiple coaching staffs. Losing a batch of players every time along with it we wouldn't have overcome.

But I have no problem with giving those players a free out. Yes, they signed with the school, not the coach but it isn't their fault if our AD hires a replacement coach with a different philosophy who isn't going to find them helpful.

We've got some kids that Harsin signed who just aren't going to fit what Anderson does and they shouldn't have to sit a year if they want to play FBS. I just have reservations about a free transfer to Boise because of the abuse potential.

(05-31-2014 10:47 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  But I have no problem with giving those players a free out. Yes, they signed with the school, not the coach but it isn't their fault if our AD hires a replacement coach with a different philosophy who isn't going to find them helpful.

We've got some kids that Harsin signed who just aren't going to fit what Anderson does and they shouldn't have to sit a year if they want to play FBS. I just have reservations about a free transfer to Boise because of the abuse potential.

But you can't tie the APR to these student athletes leaving then. That's what killed FIU hoops when Isiah was released. Then Richard Pitino took a bunch of kids to Minnesota after his one year here. Liberal transfer policy is going to make the APR system a mess, esp. for G5 schools.

(05-31-2014 10:51 AM)FIUFan Wrote:  

(05-31-2014 10:47 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  But I have no problem with giving those players a free out. Yes, they signed with the school, not the coach but it isn't their fault if our AD hires a replacement coach with a different philosophy who isn't going to find them helpful.

We've got some kids that Harsin signed who just aren't going to fit what Anderson does and they shouldn't have to sit a year if they want to play FBS. I just have reservations about a free transfer to Boise because of the abuse potential.

But you can't tie the APR to these student athletes leaving then. That's what killed FIU hoops when Isiah was released. Then Richard Pitino took a bunch of kids to Minnesota after his one year here. Liberal transfer policy is going to make the APR system a mess, esp. for G5 schools.

Bylaw Blog has had some good pieces arguing that APR is in dire need of tweaking. Easiest solution to the APR piece is if a kid takes a free transfer he is deemed to cease to exist the semester of the transfer and is no longer included in any part of the calculation.

(05-31-2014 10:47 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(05-31-2014 09:59 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(05-31-2014 09:41 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  I've said for years players should get a free transfer after a coach leaves provided that they don't go to a school employing the coach.

Another thing that affects non-P5 schools more, since P5 schools are busy hiring away our coaches. And they hire our coaches when they are successful....so any time we are successful....our players are also up for grabs? P5 coaches usually leave when they are sucking.

We've been able to overcome the loss of multiple coaching staffs. Losing a batch of players every time along with it we wouldn't have overcome.

But I have no problem with giving those players a free out. Yes, they signed with the school, not the coach but it isn't their fault if our AD hires a replacement coach with a different philosophy who isn't going to find them helpful.

We've got some kids that Harsin signed who just aren't going to fit what Anderson does and they shouldn't have to sit a year if they want to play FBS. I just have reservations about a free transfer to Boise because of the abuse potential.

I don't necessarily disagree with you. But you simply can't ignore the impacts of things on the whole of college sports because you feel badly for some guys. Hard cases make bad law.

Auburn hires the coach away from your championship team and then Ole Miss is contacting your star QB's agent offering a higher "cost of attendance". So you lose your star QB and then the vultures swoop in on your star linebacker...hey your QB is gone why not come help us out and get a higher "cost of attendance"? The concept of the G5 establishing a consistent program and long-term plan are out the window and that's bad for college sports and ultimately bad for the majority of college athletes as a group.

(05-31-2014 11:01 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(05-31-2014 10:51 AM)FIUFan Wrote:  But you can't tie the APR to these student athletes leaving then. That's what killed FIU hoops when Isiah was released. Then Richard Pitino took a bunch of kids to Minnesota after his one year here. Liberal transfer policy is going to make the APR system a mess, esp. for G5 schools.

Bylaw Blog has had some good pieces arguing that APR is in dire need of tweaking. Easiest solution to the APR piece is if a kid takes a free transfer he is deemed to cease to exist the semester of the transfer and is no longer included in any part of the calculation.

Free transfer in should be dropped out of the calculation on the school they are leaving, and count in the school they are going to as a No-SAP until they have maintained Satisfactory Academic Progress for as many semesters at the new school as they did at the old one.

Can institutions set conditions on athletic scholarships to require students to attend a certain number of years? Has that ever been a thing, and will that be a thing in the future to prevent one-and-done transfers?