Hello There, Guest! (LoginRegister)

Post Reply 
West vs East historical records
Author Message
panicstricken Offline
Heisman
*

Posts: 6,343
Joined: Nov 2007
Reputation: 273
I Root For: Tulsa
Location: Folly Beach
Post: #21
RE: West vs East historical records
(05-30-2014 11:44 PM)KnightsFan5912 Wrote:  Todd Graham Tulsa did very well against UCF. Bill Blankenship Tulsa is finally in to HIS 1st set of recruits. I think all UCF fans feel very comfortable playing Tulsa.

And his recruits arent that great.

This year is going to either be a disaster or a 6-6 dud.

Lots of us what it to be bad to get a new coach.

I hope we get the Knights this year.
05-30-2014 11:48 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Geotag Offline
Banned

Posts: 3,365
Joined: May 2013
I Root For: Defense
Location:
Post: #22
RE: West vs East historical records
(05-30-2014 11:38 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  
(05-30-2014 11:29 PM)Geotag Wrote:  
(05-30-2014 11:27 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  The thing that's always separated CUSA East and West was defense. Is it the same case here?

Well we return a top 25 defense. What about ECU?

ECU was 36th in total defense last year. Memphis was 39th. Go to NCAA stats and look it up.

It was top 25 for the majority of the year. The last two games made it slip
05-31-2014 12:51 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
grapes Offline
GTG
*

Posts: 2,718
Joined: Jun 2013
Reputation: 246
I Root For: MEMPHIS/AAC
Location: Chicago & Memphis
Post: #23
RE: West vs East historical records
(05-30-2014 09:36 PM)St. H. Gink Wrote:  UCF vs Tulsa 2-5 = .286%

UCF vs Houston 4-1 = .800%

UCF vs SMU 5-1 = .833%

UCF vs Tulane 4-1 = .800%

UCF vs Memphis 9-1 = .900%

UCF vs Navy N/A = N/A

Overall

UCF vs AAC West 24-9 .727%

07-coffee3

04-clap2...
05-31-2014 01:04 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
St. H. Gink Offline
All American
*

Posts: 3,019
Joined: Jul 2008
Reputation: 123
I Root For: CollegeFootball
Location:
Post: #24
RE: West vs East historical records
Total defense doesn't really tell the whole story. Opposing offenses can gain all the yardage they want as long as they stay out of the endzone. Scoring defense would be a better gauge. Typically, as your scoring defense goes, so does your team, so long as you have a scoring offense in the top half of the FBS. I noted the rankings and some anomalies below.

2013 Scoring Defense Rankings

14. Cincinnati (9-4)
17. UCF (12-1)
18. Tulane (7-6)
20. Houston (8-5)
44. Memphis (3-9)*
49. East Carolina (10-3)*
73. South Florida (2-10)
82. Temple (2-10)
85. UConn (3-9)
99. SMU (5-7)
101. Tulsa (3-9)


*In this case, East Carolina was helped by a tremendous scoring offense (8th) and Memphis was hurt by a horrendous one (110th).

2013 Scoring Offense Rankings

8. East Carolina (10-3)
30. UCF (12-1)
38. Houston (8-5)
47. Cincinnati (9-4)
76. SMU (5-7)
88. Temple (2-10)
90. Tulane (7-6)
102. Tulsa (3-9)
106. UConn (3-9)
110. Memphis (3-9)
120. South Florida (2-10)

Now here comes the magic...

Average Between Scoring Defense and Scoring Offense

23.5 UCF (12-1)
28.5 East Carolina (10-3)
29 Houston (8-5)
30.5 Cincinnati (9-4)
54 Tulane (7-6)
77 Memphis (3-9)
85 Temple (2-10)
87.5 SMU (5-7)
95.5 UConn (3-9)
96.5 South Florida (2-10)
101.5 Tulsa (3-9)

Notice how the records align almost perfectly in order. You can deduce a ton of information from this data.

1. To become bowl eligible, all you need is for both your scoring defense and scoring offense to be in the top half of the FBS. This is how Southern Miss got their streak of 18 consecutive winning seasons despite never really having a breakout team. The Golden Eagles only won between 6-8 games in 13 of those 18 seasons, had 9 wins 4 times, and 12 wins once. In fact, despite the streak, Southern Miss fired their head coach as he didn't really lead them anywhere.

2. As much as SMU fans hate him, June Jones is a pretty good coach. SMU should have been in the 2-3 win range last season and almost became bowl eligible for the 5th straight year.

3. Tommy Tuberville is also a pretty good coach. Statistically, Cincy should have been in the 7-8 win range but won 9 instead. Conversely, you can argue that it's Houston that should have been in the 9-10 win range.

4. Typically, in the years that UCF's average was in the Top 30 or Top 25, the Knights won C-USA or at least made the title game. It's a much tougher road in the AAC as FOUR teams were in the Top 30 last season.

5. This is where the importance of returning starters and returning scoring come in. If someone has time and wants to have fun with this, you can list the returning starters on offense and defense for your team in comparison to last season's results to get a pretty accurate idea of how they'll align this season.
05-31-2014 02:57 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
KnightLight Offline
Legend
*

Posts: 27,664
Joined: Sep 2003
Reputation: 700
I Root For: UCF
Location:
Post: #25
RE: West vs East historical records
(05-30-2014 08:34 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  The championships will be owned by the east division 75% of the time. Just my opinion.

I wouldn't be surprised if the West Champion HOSTS the Championship Game almost 75% of the time, which might impact the number of titles East teams might win.
05-31-2014 06:02 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
oldtiger Away
Forgiven Through Jesus' Grace
*

Posts: 23,014
Joined: Feb 2004
Reputation: 1181
I Root For: Memphis
Location: Germantown

DonatorsBlazerTalk AwardMemphis Hall of Fame
Post: #26
RE: West vs East historical records
(05-31-2014 02:57 AM)St. H. Gink Wrote:  Total defense doesn't really tell the whole story. Opposing offenses can gain all the yardage they want as long as they stay out of the endzone. Scoring defense would be a better gauge. Typically, as your scoring defense goes, so does your team, so long as you have a scoring offense in the top half of the FBS. I noted the rankings and some anomalies below.

2013 Scoring Defense Rankings

14. Cincinnati (9-4)
17. UCF (12-1)
18. Tulane (7-6)
20. Houston (8-5)
44. Memphis (3-9)*
49. East Carolina (10-3)*
73. South Florida (2-10)
82. Temple (2-10)
85. UConn (3-9)
99. SMU (5-7)
101. Tulsa (3-9)


*In this case, East Carolina was helped by a tremendous scoring offense (8th) and Memphis was hurt by a horrendous one (110th).

2013 Scoring Offense Rankings

8. East Carolina (10-3)
30. UCF (12-1)
38. Houston (8-5)
47. Cincinnati (9-4)
76. SMU (5-7)
88. Temple (2-10)
90. Tulane (7-6)
102. Tulsa (3-9)
106. UConn (3-9)
110. Memphis (3-9)
120. South Florida (2-10)

Now here comes the magic...

Average Between Scoring Defense and Scoring Offense

23.5 UCF (12-1)
28.5 East Carolina (10-3)
29 Houston (8-5)
30.5 Cincinnati (9-4)
54 Tulane (7-6)
77 Memphis (3-9)
85 Temple (2-10)
87.5 SMU (5-7)
95.5 UConn (3-9)
96.5 South Florida (2-10)
101.5 Tulsa (3-9)

Notice how the records align almost perfectly in order. You can deduce a ton of information from this data.

1. To become bowl eligible, all you need is for both your scoring defense and scoring offense to be in the top half of the FBS. This is how Southern Miss got their streak of 18 consecutive winning seasons despite never really having a breakout team. The Golden Eagles only won between 6-8 games in 13 of those 18 seasons, had 9 wins 4 times, and 12 wins once. In fact, despite the streak, Southern Miss fired their head coach as he didn't really lead them anywhere.

2. As much as SMU fans hate him, June Jones is a pretty good coach. SMU should have been in the 2-3 win range last season and almost became bowl eligible for the 5th straight year.

3. Tommy Tuberville is also a pretty good coach. Statistically, Cincy should have been in the 7-8 win range but won 9 instead. Conversely, you can argue that it's Houston that should have been in the 9-10 win range.

4. Typically, in the years that UCF's average was in the Top 30 or Top 25, the Knights won C-USA or at least made the title game. It's a much tougher road in the AAC as FOUR teams were in the Top 30 last season.

5. This is where the importance of returning starters and returning scoring come in. If someone has time and wants to have fun with this, you can list the returning starters on offense and defense for your team in comparison to last season's results to get a pretty accurate idea of how they'll align this season.

A big "thank you" for compiling the scoring offense/defense numbers.

Very telling stats that lead directly to won/loss records.

Hard to argue with facts, even when the occasional anomaly appears.
05-31-2014 08:46 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
PirateMarv Offline
Hall of Famer
*

Posts: 11,508
Joined: Jan 2008
Reputation: 191
I Root For: ECU
Location: Chicago and Memphis
Post: #27
RE: West vs East historical records
(05-31-2014 02:57 AM)St. H. Gink Wrote:  Total defense doesn't really tell the whole story. Opposing offenses can gain all the yardage they want as long as they stay out of the endzone. Scoring defense would be a better gauge. Typically, as your scoring defense goes, so does your team, so long as you have a scoring offense in the top half of the FBS. I noted the rankings and some anomalies below.

2013 Scoring Defense Rankings

14. Cincinnati (9-4)
17. UCF (12-1)
18. Tulane (7-6)
20. Houston (8-5)
44. Memphis (3-9)*
49. East Carolina (10-3)*
73. South Florida (2-10)
82. Temple (2-10)
85. UConn (3-9)
99. SMU (5-7)
101. Tulsa (3-9)


*In this case, East Carolina was helped by a tremendous scoring offense (8th) and Memphis was hurt by a horrendous one (110th).

2013 Scoring Offense Rankings

8. East Carolina (10-3)
30. UCF (12-1)
38. Houston (8-5)
47. Cincinnati (9-4)
76. SMU (5-7)
88. Temple (2-10)
90. Tulane (7-6)
102. Tulsa (3-9)
106. UConn (3-9)
110. Memphis (3-9)
120. South Florida (2-10)

Now here comes the magic...

Average Between Scoring Defense and Scoring Offense

23.5 UCF (12-1)
28.5 East Carolina (10-3)
29 Houston (8-5)
30.5 Cincinnati (9-4)
54 Tulane (7-6)
77 Memphis (3-9)
85 Temple (2-10)
87.5 SMU (5-7)
95.5 UConn (3-9)
96.5 South Florida (2-10)
101.5 Tulsa (3-9)

...

Scoring defense doesn't tell the whole story either. A team's offensive tempo and scoring will sometimes dictate how many points their defense will yield. ECU had large leads in many games last year, which gave the opposing teams offenses more opportunities to gain yard and score additional points. A great example is the ECU v. NCSU game last season. At one point in the 4th quarter of that game with something like 3 minutes left ECU was leading by the score of 42-7 or 42-14. NCSU got a couple of late garbage touch downs after doing on side kicks and crap like that, which made the final score 42-28. Late scores like that throughout the season skewed ECU's numbers.

If you had been tracking ECU's stats through most of the season you would have noticed that ECU was in the top ten in many statistical defensive categories for most of the season until the game in Huntington, WV (aka Marshall's Superbowl). Up until that time ECU was top 10 in sacks (they eventually finished 13th nationally), rushing defense (they eventually finished 13th nationally) and red zone defense (they eventually finished 19th nationally). That was also when it became apparent that ECU's best defensive players (especially the linebackers) were probably the young backups, which is why many ECU posters like me, think that the ECU defense will be o.k. again this year if the secondary holds up.

http://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs/current/team/466
05-31-2014 10:19 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
banker Online
Hall of Famer
*

Posts: 11,875
Joined: Oct 2009
Reputation: 1472
I Root For: Marshall
Location:
Post: #28
RE: West vs East historical records
Poor Marv, can't get Marshall out of your head. Maybe ECU should have considered the game important. BTW, Marshall's average last year was 19.5 (#7 offense, #32 defense).
05-31-2014 01:11 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
PirateMarv Offline
Hall of Famer
*

Posts: 11,508
Joined: Jan 2008
Reputation: 191
I Root For: ECU
Location: Chicago and Memphis
Post: #29
RE: West vs East historical records
(05-31-2014 01:11 PM)banker Wrote:  Poor Marv, can't get Marshall out of your head. Maybe ECU should have considered the game important. BTW, Marshall's average last year was 19.5.

No one cares about the average IQ of Marshall football players. Enjoy your CUSA kingdom.
(This post was last modified: 05-31-2014 03:40 PM by PirateMarv.)
05-31-2014 03:37 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
ecumbh1999 Offline
Keeper of the Code
*

Posts: 11,888
Joined: Jun 2010
Reputation: 255
I Root For: East Carolina
Location:
Post: #30
RE: West vs East historical records
(05-30-2014 08:22 PM)panicstricken Wrote:  from cfbdatawarehouse

Tulsa vs UCF 5-2
Tulsa vs Cinn16-13
Tulsa vs Temple 2-0
Tulsa vs ECU 5-6
no record against UCONN or USF

28-21 .571 %

Houston vs UCF 1-4
Houston vs Cinn 13-9
Houston vs Temple 3-0
Houston vs ECU 5-7
Houston vs USF 1-2

23-21 .511%

SMU vs UCF 1-5
SMU vs Cinn 0-1
SMU vs Temple 1-0
SMU vs ECU 2-2
SMU vs UCONN 2-0
SMU vs USF 1-0

7-8 .466%

Navy vs Cinn 2-0
Navy vs UCONN 6-1
Navy vs Temple 5-5
Navy vs ECU 3-1

16-7 .697%

Tulane vs Cinn 11-3
Tulane vs ECU 3-10
Tulane vs Temple 1-0
Tulane vs UCF 1-4

16-17 .488%

Memphis vs Cinn 18-13
Memphis vs UCONN 0-1
Memphis vs UCF 1-9
Memphis vs USF 3-3
MEmphis vs Temple 0-1
Memphis vs ECU 6-15
28-42 .400%

Overall
AAC West 118-117 .502%

03-lmfao
05-31-2014 06:57 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Post Reply 




User(s) browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)


Copyright © 2002-2024 Collegiate Sports Nation Bulletin Board System (CSNbbs), All Rights Reserved.
CSNbbs is an independent fan site and is in no way affiliated to the NCAA or any of the schools and conferences it represents.
This site monetizes links. FTC Disclosure.
We allow third-party companies to serve ads and/or collect certain anonymous information when you visit our web site. These companies may use non-personally identifiable information (e.g., click stream information, browser type, time and date, subject of advertisements clicked or scrolled over) during your visits to this and other Web sites in order to provide advertisements about goods and services likely to be of greater interest to you. These companies typically use a cookie or third party web beacon to collect this information. To learn more about this behavioral advertising practice or to opt-out of this type of advertising, you can visit http://www.networkadvertising.org.
Powered By MyBB, © 2002-2024 MyBB Group.