panicstricken
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RE: West vs East historical records
(05-30-2014 11:44 PM)KnightsFan5912 Wrote: Todd Graham Tulsa did very well against UCF. Bill Blankenship Tulsa is finally in to HIS 1st set of recruits. I think all UCF fans feel very comfortable playing Tulsa.
And his recruits arent that great.
This year is going to either be a disaster or a 6-6 dud.
Lots of us what it to be bad to get a new coach.
I hope we get the Knights this year.
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RE: West vs East historical records
(05-30-2014 11:38 PM)PirateMarv Wrote: (05-30-2014 11:29 PM)Geotag Wrote: (05-30-2014 11:27 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote: The thing that's always separated CUSA East and West was defense. Is it the same case here?
Well we return a top 25 defense. What about ECU?
ECU was 36th in total defense last year. Memphis was 39th. Go to NCAA stats and look it up.
It was top 25 for the majority of the year. The last two games made it slip
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RE: West vs East historical records
(05-30-2014 09:36 PM)St. H. Gink Wrote: UCF vs Tulsa 2-5 = .286%
UCF vs Houston 4-1 = .800%
UCF vs SMU 5-1 = .833%
UCF vs Tulane 4-1 = .800%
UCF vs Memphis 9-1 = .900%
UCF vs Navy N/A = N/A
Overall
UCF vs AAC West 24-9 .727%
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05-31-2014 01:04 AM |
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St. H. Gink
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RE: West vs East historical records
Total defense doesn't really tell the whole story. Opposing offenses can gain all the yardage they want as long as they stay out of the endzone. Scoring defense would be a better gauge. Typically, as your scoring defense goes, so does your team, so long as you have a scoring offense in the top half of the FBS. I noted the rankings and some anomalies below.
2013 Scoring Defense Rankings
14. Cincinnati (9-4)
17. UCF (12-1)
18. Tulane (7-6)
20. Houston (8-5)
44. Memphis (3-9)*
49. East Carolina (10-3)*
73. South Florida (2-10)
82. Temple (2-10)
85. UConn (3-9)
99. SMU (5-7)
101. Tulsa (3-9)
*In this case, East Carolina was helped by a tremendous scoring offense (8th) and Memphis was hurt by a horrendous one (110th).
2013 Scoring Offense Rankings
8. East Carolina (10-3)
30. UCF (12-1)
38. Houston (8-5)
47. Cincinnati (9-4)
76. SMU (5-7)
88. Temple (2-10)
90. Tulane (7-6)
102. Tulsa (3-9)
106. UConn (3-9)
110. Memphis (3-9)
120. South Florida (2-10)
Now here comes the magic...
Average Between Scoring Defense and Scoring Offense
23.5 UCF (12-1)
28.5 East Carolina (10-3)
29 Houston (8-5)
30.5 Cincinnati (9-4)
54 Tulane (7-6)
77 Memphis (3-9)
85 Temple (2-10)
87.5 SMU (5-7)
95.5 UConn (3-9)
96.5 South Florida (2-10)
101.5 Tulsa (3-9)
Notice how the records align almost perfectly in order. You can deduce a ton of information from this data.
1. To become bowl eligible, all you need is for both your scoring defense and scoring offense to be in the top half of the FBS. This is how Southern Miss got their streak of 18 consecutive winning seasons despite never really having a breakout team. The Golden Eagles only won between 6-8 games in 13 of those 18 seasons, had 9 wins 4 times, and 12 wins once. In fact, despite the streak, Southern Miss fired their head coach as he didn't really lead them anywhere.
2. As much as SMU fans hate him, June Jones is a pretty good coach. SMU should have been in the 2-3 win range last season and almost became bowl eligible for the 5th straight year.
3. Tommy Tuberville is also a pretty good coach. Statistically, Cincy should have been in the 7-8 win range but won 9 instead. Conversely, you can argue that it's Houston that should have been in the 9-10 win range.
4. Typically, in the years that UCF's average was in the Top 30 or Top 25, the Knights won C-USA or at least made the title game. It's a much tougher road in the AAC as FOUR teams were in the Top 30 last season.
5. This is where the importance of returning starters and returning scoring come in. If someone has time and wants to have fun with this, you can list the returning starters on offense and defense for your team in comparison to last season's results to get a pretty accurate idea of how they'll align this season.
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05-31-2014 02:57 AM |
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RE: West vs East historical records
(05-30-2014 08:34 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote: The championships will be owned by the east division 75% of the time. Just my opinion.
I wouldn't be surprised if the West Champion HOSTS the Championship Game almost 75% of the time, which might impact the number of titles East teams might win.
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05-31-2014 06:02 AM |
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RE: West vs East historical records
(05-31-2014 02:57 AM)St. H. Gink Wrote: Total defense doesn't really tell the whole story. Opposing offenses can gain all the yardage they want as long as they stay out of the endzone. Scoring defense would be a better gauge. Typically, as your scoring defense goes, so does your team, so long as you have a scoring offense in the top half of the FBS. I noted the rankings and some anomalies below.
2013 Scoring Defense Rankings
14. Cincinnati (9-4)
17. UCF (12-1)
18. Tulane (7-6)
20. Houston (8-5)
44. Memphis (3-9)*
49. East Carolina (10-3)*
73. South Florida (2-10)
82. Temple (2-10)
85. UConn (3-9)
99. SMU (5-7)
101. Tulsa (3-9)
*In this case, East Carolina was helped by a tremendous scoring offense (8th) and Memphis was hurt by a horrendous one (110th).
2013 Scoring Offense Rankings
8. East Carolina (10-3)
30. UCF (12-1)
38. Houston (8-5)
47. Cincinnati (9-4)
76. SMU (5-7)
88. Temple (2-10)
90. Tulane (7-6)
102. Tulsa (3-9)
106. UConn (3-9)
110. Memphis (3-9)
120. South Florida (2-10)
Now here comes the magic...
Average Between Scoring Defense and Scoring Offense
23.5 UCF (12-1)
28.5 East Carolina (10-3)
29 Houston (8-5)
30.5 Cincinnati (9-4)
54 Tulane (7-6)
77 Memphis (3-9)
85 Temple (2-10)
87.5 SMU (5-7)
95.5 UConn (3-9)
96.5 South Florida (2-10)
101.5 Tulsa (3-9)
Notice how the records align almost perfectly in order. You can deduce a ton of information from this data.
1. To become bowl eligible, all you need is for both your scoring defense and scoring offense to be in the top half of the FBS. This is how Southern Miss got their streak of 18 consecutive winning seasons despite never really having a breakout team. The Golden Eagles only won between 6-8 games in 13 of those 18 seasons, had 9 wins 4 times, and 12 wins once. In fact, despite the streak, Southern Miss fired their head coach as he didn't really lead them anywhere.
2. As much as SMU fans hate him, June Jones is a pretty good coach. SMU should have been in the 2-3 win range last season and almost became bowl eligible for the 5th straight year.
3. Tommy Tuberville is also a pretty good coach. Statistically, Cincy should have been in the 7-8 win range but won 9 instead. Conversely, you can argue that it's Houston that should have been in the 9-10 win range.
4. Typically, in the years that UCF's average was in the Top 30 or Top 25, the Knights won C-USA or at least made the title game. It's a much tougher road in the AAC as FOUR teams were in the Top 30 last season.
5. This is where the importance of returning starters and returning scoring come in. If someone has time and wants to have fun with this, you can list the returning starters on offense and defense for your team in comparison to last season's results to get a pretty accurate idea of how they'll align this season.
A big "thank you" for compiling the scoring offense/defense numbers.
Very telling stats that lead directly to won/loss records.
Hard to argue with facts, even when the occasional anomaly appears.
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PirateMarv
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RE: West vs East historical records
(05-31-2014 02:57 AM)St. H. Gink Wrote: Total defense doesn't really tell the whole story. Opposing offenses can gain all the yardage they want as long as they stay out of the endzone. Scoring defense would be a better gauge. Typically, as your scoring defense goes, so does your team, so long as you have a scoring offense in the top half of the FBS. I noted the rankings and some anomalies below.
2013 Scoring Defense Rankings
14. Cincinnati (9-4)
17. UCF (12-1)
18. Tulane (7-6)
20. Houston (8-5)
44. Memphis (3-9)*
49. East Carolina (10-3)*
73. South Florida (2-10)
82. Temple (2-10)
85. UConn (3-9)
99. SMU (5-7)
101. Tulsa (3-9)
*In this case, East Carolina was helped by a tremendous scoring offense (8th) and Memphis was hurt by a horrendous one (110th).
2013 Scoring Offense Rankings
8. East Carolina (10-3)
30. UCF (12-1)
38. Houston (8-5)
47. Cincinnati (9-4)
76. SMU (5-7)
88. Temple (2-10)
90. Tulane (7-6)
102. Tulsa (3-9)
106. UConn (3-9)
110. Memphis (3-9)
120. South Florida (2-10)
Now here comes the magic...
Average Between Scoring Defense and Scoring Offense
23.5 UCF (12-1)
28.5 East Carolina (10-3)
29 Houston (8-5)
30.5 Cincinnati (9-4)
54 Tulane (7-6)
77 Memphis (3-9)
85 Temple (2-10)
87.5 SMU (5-7)
95.5 UConn (3-9)
96.5 South Florida (2-10)
101.5 Tulsa (3-9)
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Scoring defense doesn't tell the whole story either. A team's offensive tempo and scoring will sometimes dictate how many points their defense will yield. ECU had large leads in many games last year, which gave the opposing teams offenses more opportunities to gain yard and score additional points. A great example is the ECU v. NCSU game last season. At one point in the 4th quarter of that game with something like 3 minutes left ECU was leading by the score of 42-7 or 42-14. NCSU got a couple of late garbage touch downs after doing on side kicks and crap like that, which made the final score 42-28. Late scores like that throughout the season skewed ECU's numbers.
If you had been tracking ECU's stats through most of the season you would have noticed that ECU was in the top ten in many statistical defensive categories for most of the season until the game in Huntington, WV (aka Marshall's Superbowl). Up until that time ECU was top 10 in sacks (they eventually finished 13th nationally), rushing defense (they eventually finished 13th nationally) and red zone defense (they eventually finished 19th nationally). That was also when it became apparent that ECU's best defensive players (especially the linebackers) were probably the young backups, which is why many ECU posters like me, think that the ECU defense will be o.k. again this year if the secondary holds up.
http://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs/current/team/466
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05-31-2014 10:19 AM |
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RE: West vs East historical records
Poor Marv, can't get Marshall out of your head. Maybe ECU should have considered the game important. BTW, Marshall's average last year was 19.5 (#7 offense, #32 defense).
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05-31-2014 01:11 PM |
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PirateMarv
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RE: West vs East historical records
(05-31-2014 01:11 PM)banker Wrote: Poor Marv, can't get Marshall out of your head. Maybe ECU should have considered the game important. BTW, Marshall's average last year was 19.5.
No one cares about the average IQ of Marshall football players. Enjoy your CUSA kingdom.
(This post was last modified: 05-31-2014 03:40 PM by PirateMarv.)
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RE: West vs East historical records
(05-30-2014 08:22 PM)panicstricken Wrote: from cfbdatawarehouse
Tulsa vs UCF 5-2
Tulsa vs Cinn16-13
Tulsa vs Temple 2-0
Tulsa vs ECU 5-6
no record against UCONN or USF
28-21 .571 %
Houston vs UCF 1-4
Houston vs Cinn 13-9
Houston vs Temple 3-0
Houston vs ECU 5-7
Houston vs USF 1-2
23-21 .511%
SMU vs UCF 1-5
SMU vs Cinn 0-1
SMU vs Temple 1-0
SMU vs ECU 2-2
SMU vs UCONN 2-0
SMU vs USF 1-0
7-8 .466%
Navy vs Cinn 2-0
Navy vs UCONN 6-1
Navy vs Temple 5-5
Navy vs ECU 3-1
16-7 .697%
Tulane vs Cinn 11-3
Tulane vs ECU 3-10
Tulane vs Temple 1-0
Tulane vs UCF 1-4
16-17 .488%
Memphis vs Cinn 18-13
Memphis vs UCONN 0-1
Memphis vs UCF 1-9
Memphis vs USF 3-3
MEmphis vs Temple 0-1
Memphis vs ECU 6-15
28-42 .400%
Overall
AAC West 118-117 .502%
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