(05-30-2014 07:29 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  Pro WVU:
... GT ...

(05-30-2014 09:03 PM)XLance Wrote:  IIRC Georgia Tech has played Dook every year since 1933, you might ask the Jackets if they want to give up the Devils.

Yes, they have played for 81 years in a row. GT leads Duke 50-30-1

(05-30-2014 07:29 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(05-30-2014 06:34 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(05-30-2014 02:44 PM)Dasville Wrote:  

(05-30-2014 02:17 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(05-30-2014 01:00 PM)Dasville Wrote:  David Teel can ead for how he chose his words here:


from the link:



Louisville would lose annual games against Florida State and Clemson but would gain yearly contests versus Virginia Tech and Miami. Again, hardly a deal-breaker. Plus, the Cardinals are on-their-knees grateful to be in the ACC, period, and in no position to bicker over divisions.

The op needs to spell his (Teel's) name correctly as I will if he (Teel) wants to start posturing like this.

We go to the Big 12 and the ACC adds UConn and see what happens.

We are NOT on our knees. pos wording!

That's what many UL fans have themselves said about their gratitude for joining the ACC themselves.

Your hypothetical is garbage. UL didn't turn down the Big 12.

ACC asked first, that's all I'm saying. If Big12 asked first we are there. ND may very well/most likely joins new BE and then Maryland leaves for B1G. ACC is in a different position. With no ND and Maryland leaving, all the hypotheticals come into play.

If we were on our knees, it was because of the Big 12 hesitation.

While the better fit, the ACC never had us on our knees.
The Big 12 did though.

ND joined the ACC before UL did. So nobody cared what UL was doing.

If UL had gone to the Big 12 the ACC would've added WVU, and UL would be the odd Big 12 outpost.

I don't think you actually thought that through.

I'm not sure that WVU would have edged out UConn.

I think that it would have looked like this:
Pro UConn:
UNC, Duke, UVA, Pitt, and ND

Pro WVU:
FSU, Miami, GT, Clemson, VT, and BC

Leaning UConn:
WF

Leaning WVU:
NCSU and Syracuse

I don't think that it would have been a sure thing either way.

I'm not sure either could overcome a blackball from 4 schools. FSU, Clemson, and BC despise UConn. Va, and Duke despise WVa. FSU, Clemson, and BC could easily draw a football school to their side - VT, or NC State. Duke and Va could just as easily draw a couple more to their side because Pitt and VT would be the two schools immediately impacted and GT and NC State would be worried about competing against WVa admission standards.

I'm not sure either school could have obtained 11 votes.

The dynamics of voting for a 14th, 15th, 16th, 17th or 18th also change.

Seems simple to me

FSU - Miami
Clemson - VT
GT - UVA
Wake - Duke
NC State - UNC
Pitt - UofL
Cuse - BC

(05-30-2014 10:42 PM)casualwood Wrote:  Seems simple to me

FSU - Miami
Clemson - VT
GT - UVA
Wake - Duke
NC State - UNC
Pitt - UofL
Cuse - BC

I'm down with this. Especialy the Clemson - VT cross divisional game. Maybe they can even do it on the 2nd Saturday in October in order to build tradition and national interest....a little bit like the SEC.

(05-30-2014 04:30 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(05-30-2014 01:00 PM)Dasville Wrote:  David Teel can ead for how he chose his words here:


from the link:



Louisville would lose annual games against Florida State and Clemson but would gain yearly contests versus Virginia Tech and Miami. Again, hardly a deal-breaker. Plus, the Cardinals are on-their-knees grateful to be in the ACC, period, and in no position to bicker over divisions.

The op needs to spell his (Teel's) name correctly as I will if he (Teel) wants to start posturing like this.

We go to the Big 12 and the ACC adds UConn and see what happens.

We are NOT on our knees. pos wording!

OK, pay your $60 million and leave your media rights behind when you leave. See ya!

No ND, no 3x the YOB.

(05-30-2014 04:48 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(05-30-2014 04:30 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(05-30-2014 01:00 PM)Dasville Wrote:  David Teel can ead for how he chose his words here:


from the link:



Louisville would lose annual games against Florida State and Clemson but would gain yearly contests versus Virginia Tech and Miami. Again, hardly a deal-breaker. Plus, the Cardinals are on-their-knees grateful to be in the ACC, period, and in no position to bicker over divisions.

The op needs to spell his (Teel's) name correctly as I will if he (Teel) wants to start posturing like this.

We go to the Big 12 and the ACC adds UConn and see what happens.

We are NOT on our knees. pos wording!

OK, pay your $60 million and leave your media rights behind when you leave. See ya!

Plus, the Cardinals are on-their-knees grateful to be in the ACC, period, and in no position to bicker [/b]over divisions.[/i]

This is a fact. They will be on the short teat for the better part of a decade but the short teat in the ACC beats the whole hog in the AAC or long teat in the B12.

If the Big 12 asked first, we would have been there. The ACC would have been in trouble.
We are not demanding. If we win, all we ask is for you to stfu and to recognize!

(05-30-2014 10:57 PM)Sea Caster Wrote:  

(05-30-2014 10:42 PM)casualwood Wrote:  Seems simple to me

FSU - Miami
Clemson - VT
GT - UVA
Wake - Duke
NC State - UNC
Pitt - UofL
Cuse - BC

I'm down with this. Especialy the Clemson - VT cross divisional game. Maybe they can even do it on the 2nd Saturday in October in order to build tradition and national interest....a little bit like the SEC.

Swap VT and GT and I think it could work. Clemson-GT and VT-UVA make better cross-divisional matchups than Clemson-VT and GT-UVA.

And it preserves the GT annual games against Duke, UNC and UVA, which are important to all four.

Bottom line is, it will be clunky until we can do away with divisions.

(05-30-2014 06:34 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(05-30-2014 02:44 PM)Dasville Wrote:  

(05-30-2014 02:17 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(05-30-2014 01:00 PM)Dasville Wrote:  David Teel can ead for how he chose his words here:


from the link:



Louisville would lose annual games against Florida State and Clemson but would gain yearly contests versus Virginia Tech and Miami. Again, hardly a deal-breaker. Plus, the Cardinals are on-their-knees grateful to be in the ACC, period, and in no position to bicker over divisions.

The op needs to spell his (Teel's) name correctly as I will if he (Teel) wants to start posturing like this.

We go to the Big 12 and the ACC adds UConn and see what happens.

We are NOT on our knees. pos wording!

That's what many UL fans have themselves said about their gratitude for joining the ACC themselves.

Your hypothetical is garbage. UL didn't turn down the Big 12.

ACC asked first, that's all I'm saying. If Big12 asked first we are there. ND may very well/most likely joins new BE and then Maryland leaves for B1G. ACC is in a different position. With no ND and Maryland leaving, all the hypotheticals come into play.

If we were on our knees, it was because of the Big 12 hesitation.

While the better fit, the ACC never had us on our knees.
The Big 12 did though.

ND joined the ACC before UL did. So nobody cared what UL was doing.

If UL had gone to the Big 12 the ACC would've added WVU, and UL would be the odd Big 12 outpost.

I don't think you actually thought that through.

Timing is everything isn't it?

When did the Big 12 add WVU, before or after ND's move to the ACC?
It was before.
If the Big 12 had asked UofL to join right after they asked WVU then the BE would have been in a tail spin.

They would have just lost Cuse and Pitt to the ACC, TCU had just backed out of their contract and joined the Big 12. WVU jumped ship and joined the Big 12 and if UofL was invited we would have said yes (can't say that enough). Boise and the SDST would never have come into play for the BE.
Total unrest for the BE between what football membership is left and the basketball schools. TV contracts were going on at the time for the BE. Maryland to the B1G was already in the works.

ND, not wanting to commit to the B1G or the wounded ACC decides to stay independent and joins the Catholic seven on a new NBC contract.

ND could have brought the Catholic seven to the NBCnetwork and have been just fine because everybody wants to play them.

The only thing keeping this from happening is the Big 12 hesitating on adding UofL.

So yes, I thought this through.

(05-30-2014 10:42 PM)casualwood Wrote:  Seems simple to me

FSU - Miami
Clemson - VT
GT - UVA
Wake - Duke
NC State - UNC
Pitt - UofL
Cuse - BC

Not as awful as Teel's. Still not ideal. Keep it the same, but flip divisions for Wake-Duke and NCST-UNC and now you're cookin with gas.

(05-30-2014 10:09 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  I'm not sure either could overcome a blackball from 4 schools. FSU, Clemson, and BC despise UConn. Va, and Duke despise WVa. FSU, Clemson, and BC could easily draw a football school to their side - VT, or NC State. Duke and Va could just as easily draw a couple more to their side because Pitt and VT would be the two schools immediately impacted and GT and NC State would be worried about competing against WVa admission standards.

I'm not sure either school could have obtained 11 votes.

The dynamics of voting for a 14th, 15th, 16th, 17th or 18th also change.

GT would be opposed to WV because there is already one group of poorly behaved backwater bunch of future McDonald's employees on the schedule ... and they reside in Athens ... and they are MORE than enough for our annual fill of moronitude.

I'm one Louisville fan who could care less what division we're in. As long as we're in!!!

(05-31-2014 08:22 AM)MoFoCard Wrote:  I'm one Louisville fan who could care less what division we're in. As long as we're in!!!

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
THIS!!!!!!

(05-31-2014 02:12 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(05-30-2014 10:42 PM)casualwood Wrote:  Seems simple to me

FSU - Miami
Clemson - VT
GT - UVA
Wake - Duke
NC State - UNC
Pitt - UofL
Cuse - BC

Not as awful as Teel's. Still not idea. Keep it the same, but flip divisions for Wake-Duke and NCST-UNC and now you're cookin with gas.

Ideal EXCEPT you can't eliminate Carolina/UVa.

(05-31-2014 10:28 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(05-31-2014 02:12 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(05-30-2014 10:42 PM)casualwood Wrote:  Seems simple to me

FSU - Miami
Clemson - VT
GT - UVA
Wake - Duke
NC State - UNC
Pitt - UofL
Cuse - BC

Not as awful as Teel's. Still not idea. Keep it the same, but flip divisions for Wake-Duke and NCST-UNC and now you're cookin with gas.

Ideal EXCEPT you can't eliminate Carolina/UVa.

It is the oldest rivalry not just in the ACC but in the whole South. No way should the ACC let that end.

Some of these new Big East fans are .

Flip:

FSU - Miami
Clemson - VT
GT - UVA
Duke - Wake
UNC - NCST
Pitt - UofL
Cuse - BC


Now tweak ....

FSU - Miami
Clemson - NCST
GT - VT
Duke - Wake
UNC - UVA
Pitt - UofL
Cuse - BC

(05-31-2014 02:28 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  Flip:

FSU - Miami
Clemson - VT
GT - UVA
Duke - Wake
UNC - NCST
Pitt - UofL
Cuse - BC


Now tweak ....

FSU - Miami
Clemson - NCST
GT - VT
Duke - Wake
UNC - UVA
Pitt - UofL
Cuse - BC

It works for me, but good luck selling that to Pitt.

(05-31-2014 02:28 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  Flip:

FSU - Miami
Clemson - VT
GT - UVA
Duke - Wake
UNC - NCST
Pitt - UofL
Cuse - BC


Now tweak ....

FSU - Miami
Clemson - NCST
GT - VT
Duke - Wake
UNC - UVA
Pitt - UofL
Cuse - BC

That works for me........I would much rather have UVa than NC State.

(05-31-2014 02:28 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  Flip:

FSU - Miami
Clemson - VT
GT - UVA
Duke - Wake
UNC - NCST
Pitt - UofL
Cuse - BC


Now tweak ....

FSU - Miami
Clemson - NCST
GT - VT
Duke - Wake
UNC - UVA
Pitt - UofL
Cuse - BC

No.

If we have to play two teams from NC every year at least make it the two we actually have history with.