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Any info on if the Army Navy game date will be moved starting next year
Right now it's the weekend after championship weekend.
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RE: Any info on if the Army Navy game date will be moved starting next year
why would it be moved?

it doesn't affect our championship
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RE: Any info on if the Army Navy game date will be moved starting next year
(05-29-2014 05:54 PM)pesik Wrote:  why would it be moved?

it doesn't affect our championship
If Navy were to win their division then win the championship game would you want them to have a game left? How would it look if they lost to Army the next week after they just won the AAC? What if they're in the running for the access bowl but with a game left? Selections are done championship weekend for all bowls. What if they are sitting at 5-6 and need a win for bowl eligibility? That could hold things up for much of the league with bowl selections.
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RE: Any info on if the Army Navy game date will be moved starting next year
(05-29-2014 06:31 PM)Bleeds_Purple Wrote:  
(05-29-2014 05:54 PM)pesik Wrote:  why would it be moved?

it doesn't affect our championship
If Navy were to win their division then win the championship game would you want them to have a game left? How would it look if they lost to Army the next week after they just won the AAC? What if they're in the running for the access bowl but with a game left? Selections are done championship weekend for all bowls. What if they are sitting at 5-6 and need a win for bowl eligibility? That could hold things up for much of the league with bowl selections.

who cares, playing it on dead weak will be one of our biggest assets (the only game on) when its time for tv renegotiations, it honestly doesnt bother me how it looks or any unforseen circumstances

hell having the game played with system implications will actually even increase the ratings.. i hope that happens (but navy winning)
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RE: Any info on if the Army Navy game date will be moved starting next year
I say go the other way with the game. Make it the first game of the year every year the Saturday before everyone else kicks-off. It would be the only game in town and people are starving for college football. This year it would be on Aug 23.
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RE: Any info on if the Army Navy game date will be moved starting next year
(05-29-2014 06:31 PM)Bleeds_Purple Wrote:  
(05-29-2014 05:54 PM)pesik Wrote:  why would it be moved?

it doesn't affect our championship
If Navy were to win their division then win the championship game would you want them to have a game left? How would it look if they lost to Army the next week after they just won the AAC? What if they're in the running for the access bowl but with a game left? Selections are done championship weekend for all bowls. What if they are sitting at 5-6 and need a win for bowl eligibility? That could hold things up for much of the league with bowl selections.

I thought Navy made it clear when they joined that they weren't changing any aspect of the Army game to accommodate the AAC.

You seem to think that the AAC will be able to "go the other way" with the game, as if the scheduling of Army-Navy will be at the whim of our conference. I seriously doubt that.
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RE: Any info on if the Army Navy game date will be moved starting next year
(05-29-2014 06:54 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(05-29-2014 06:31 PM)Bleeds_Purple Wrote:  
(05-29-2014 05:54 PM)pesik Wrote:  why would it be moved?

it doesn't affect our championship
If Navy were to win their division then win the championship game would you want them to have a game left? How would it look if they lost to Army the next week after they just won the AAC? What if they're in the running for the access bowl but with a game left? Selections are done championship weekend for all bowls. What if they are sitting at 5-6 and need a win for bowl eligibility? That could hold things up for much of the league with bowl selections.

I thought Navy made it clear when they joined that they weren't changing any aspect of the Army game to accommodate the AAC.
If they did then that's that.
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RE: Any info on if the Army Navy game date will be moved starting next year
(05-29-2014 06:54 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(05-29-2014 06:31 PM)Bleeds_Purple Wrote:  
(05-29-2014 05:54 PM)pesik Wrote:  why would it be moved?

it doesn't affect our championship
If Navy were to win their division then win the championship game would you want them to have a game left? How would it look if they lost to Army the next week after they just won the AAC? What if they're in the running for the access bowl but with a game left? Selections are done championship weekend for all bowls. What if they are sitting at 5-6 and need a win for bowl eligibility? That could hold things up for much of the league with bowl selections.

I thought Navy made it clear when they joined that they weren't changing any aspect of the Army game to accommodate the AAC.

Thought the same. Or is that only applicable through the duration of Army/Navy's contract with CBS?
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RE: Any info on if the Army Navy game date will be moved starting next year
Army/Navy needs to be played on Veterans Day every year.
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Re: RE: Any info on if the Army Navy game date will be moved starting next year
(05-29-2014 06:52 PM)Bleeds_Purple Wrote:  I say go the other way with the game. Make it the first game of the year every year the Saturday before everyone else kicks-off. It would be the only game in town and people are starving for college football. This year it would be on Aug 23.

I like this idea! Bleeds hit it on the head, pointing out how FOOTBALL-STARVED most people are by the time the season rolls around! And I imagine it would put a little extra emphasis on fall camp, too! This model works for NASCAR, with the Daytona 500 starting off every season! I can't think of a better way to "kickoff" football season than the pagentry of the Army/Navy game. I would be glued to the TV, and to a case of Cold Pirate Beverages!

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RE: Any info on if the Army Navy game date will be moved starting next year
(05-29-2014 08:04 PM)ENCPir87769 Wrote:  
(05-29-2014 06:52 PM)Bleeds_Purple Wrote:  I say go the other way with the game. Make it the first game of the year every year the Saturday before everyone else kicks-off. It would be the only game in town and people are starving for college football. This year it would be on Aug 23.

I like this idea! Bleeds hit it on the head, pointing out how FOOTBALL-STARVED most people are by the time the season rolls around! And I imagine it would put a little extra emphasis on fall camp, too! This model works for NASCAR, with the Daytona 500 starting off every season! I can't think of a better way to "kickoff" football season than the pagentry of the Army/Navy game. I would be glued to the TV, and to a case of Cold Pirate Beverages!

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Ha ha, I was watching XFL games on youtube today, that's how starved I am. Imagine how bad I'll be come mid August.
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RE: Any info on if the Army Navy game date will be moved starting next year
(05-29-2014 06:57 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  
(05-29-2014 06:54 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(05-29-2014 06:31 PM)Bleeds_Purple Wrote:  
(05-29-2014 05:54 PM)pesik Wrote:  why would it be moved?

it doesn't affect our championship
If Navy were to win their division then win the championship game would you want them to have a game left? How would it look if they lost to Army the next week after they just won the AAC? What if they're in the running for the access bowl but with a game left? Selections are done championship weekend for all bowls. What if they are sitting at 5-6 and need a win for bowl eligibility? That could hold things up for much of the league with bowl selections.

I thought Navy made it clear when they joined that they weren't changing any aspect of the Army game to accommodate the AAC.

Thought the same. Or is that only applicable through the duration of Army/Navy's contract with CBS?

I think you are correct. But, i didn't interpret that to mean Navy will be willing to make changes once the contract is up (they'd still have to get Army to go along with any), only that they definitely would not change anything at least until then.

IIRC, the Army-Navy CBS contract runs through 2018, the first four years Navy is in the AAC.

Also unaffected by Navy joining the AAC is their Notre Dame contract. Navy's home games with Notre Dame will be on CBS in 2016 with an option for 2018 (my wild guess is CBS will exercise that option). So those games fall outside of our TV deal as well, as do all other Navy home games through 2017 (those rights are held by CBSSN).

One pertinent point about what will happen after 2018 might be this comment by Navy AD Gladchuk:

“Basically, our deal with the Big East stated that under no circumstances would Navy lose ground in terms of television revenue or exposure,” Gladchuk said.

Our ESPN contract has plenty of exposure, but Navy gets paid $2.5 million for Army alone (more than what AAC schools get paid for everything, football and basketball), and that number is expected to double when the contract goes up for renewal (Forbes has called the Army-Navy contract among the most "undervalued" in sports).

So it will be incumbent on Aresco to be able to get a new deal that will keep Navy at least at that level of TV revenue if we want the Army-Navy game in the AAC fold.
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RE: Any info on if the Army Navy game date will be moved starting next year
(05-29-2014 08:04 PM)PirateJP Wrote:  Army/Navy needs to be played on Veterans Day every year.

That is a great idea. Hope it happens.
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RE: Any info on if the Army Navy game date will be moved starting next year
(05-30-2014 05:23 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(05-29-2014 06:57 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  
(05-29-2014 06:54 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(05-29-2014 06:31 PM)Bleeds_Purple Wrote:  
(05-29-2014 05:54 PM)pesik Wrote:  why would it be moved?

it doesn't affect our championship
If Navy were to win their division then win the championship game would you want them to have a game left? How would it look if they lost to Army the next week after they just won the AAC? What if they're in the running for the access bowl but with a game left? Selections are done championship weekend for all bowls. What if they are sitting at 5-6 and need a win for bowl eligibility? That could hold things up for much of the league with bowl selections.

I thought Navy made it clear when they joined that they weren't changing any aspect of the Army game to accommodate the AAC.

Thought the same. Or is that only applicable through the duration of Army/Navy's contract with CBS?

I think you are correct. But, i didn't interpret that to mean Navy will be willing to make changes once the contract is up (they'd still have to get Army to go along with any), only that they definitely would not change anything at least until then.

IIRC, the Army-Navy CBS contract runs through 2018, the first four years Navy is in the AAC.

Also unaffected by Navy joining the AAC is their Notre Dame contract. Navy's home games with Notre Dame will be on CBS in 2016 with an option for 2018 (my wild guess is CBS will exercise that option). So those games fall outside of our TV deal as well, as do all other Navy home games through 2017 (those rights are held by CBSSN).

One pertinent point about what will happen after 2018 might be this comment by Navy AD Gladchuk:

“Basically, our deal with the Big East stated that under no circumstances would Navy lose ground in terms of television revenue or exposure,” Gladchuk said.

Our ESPN contract has plenty of exposure, but Navy gets paid $2.5 million for Army alone (more than what AAC schools get paid for everything, football and basketball), and that number is expected to double when the contract goes up for renewal (Forbes has called the Army-Navy contract among the most "undervalued" in sports).

So it will be incumbent on Aresco to be able to get a new deal that will keep Navy at least at that level of TV revenue if we want the Army-Navy game in the AAC fold.

This is why I think the media deal will go up substantially once Navy joins. They are arguably the most marketable brand with two games that are very valuable properties. None of this is included in our current deal. So if we get a bump for including navy and also a performance bump based on the look in I think we will be closer to 5 or 6 million range which will make navy revenue neutral. Does anyone have any idea what Navy gets for the Notre dame game?
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