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RE: Aresco said "the Americans Can Be a Power Conference One Day"
(05-29-2014 05:42 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
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(05-29-2014 05:19 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  The goal is to not be mentioned in the same breath with the MW, SB, CUSA, and MAC.

We're not. I can't remember the last time one of those conferences won a BCS bowl game and the Hoops National Championships in the same year (because they've never come remotely close) Those accomplishments speak to National relevance.

I don't disagree---but "G5" is a commonly used phrase. Plus, every poster on the other G5 boards pounds home the "we are all the same" argument. When we our media contract pays us around half of what the P5 makes---they wont be able to say that. When the AAC averages 40K in attendance---they wont be able to say that. When the AAC champ is guaranteed a solid signiture bowl for its post season destination---they wont be able to say that. When "G5" becomes "G4"----we will have succeeded.

What you are describing is pretty much what the Big East was 6 years ago: Our media deal was about half of what the other AQ were making (in 2008, the SEC was only making about $8m, we were getting about $3.5m), we were averaging around 42k, and we had a solid signature bowl - the Sun or Gator. Good bowls.

And life in the conference was pretty darn good.

Except for one thing of course: We also were AQ, so we also got the money and exposure of a BCS bowl, and the prestige of being a "BCS conference". That won't be there this time.

Still, I agree with you: While becoming the P6 isn't realistically possible, we absolutely can separate from the G5 and relegate that to G4. We can become the tweener conference. That is a realistic goal. Not much of one, but realistic.
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RE: Aresco said "the Americans Can Be a Power Conference One Day"
(05-29-2014 07:00 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  
(05-29-2014 06:50 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  
(05-29-2014 06:17 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  Seriously, nobody cares about "Who's number 6." Nobody but the BE and MW cared about it in the "old days," but now really nobody cares about it now.

#7 cares. And I'm thinking #'s 8 - 10 care if they're farsighted. But yes --- the distance, as it stands, between #'s 1-5 and the rest is just too great to cause much concern with the former.

Really? Is it really that big a comfort, for instance, that SMU finished #65 in the NCAA tournament committee's mind last season? Do you think that #66 is fretting over that? Or that people in general are sitting there the week after "Selection Sunday" remembering SMU as "the first team out" of the tourney field?

All "number six" means is that you're conference is not in the "Power" picture. That's it. And before it's all over, likely that will expand to also encompass "number five" as well...

It gives them Hope. It gives us Hope. Hope is the juice this board runs on. It's the fuel of every down trodden and overlooked man and woman on this planet. Hope -- it's all we have. ALL! Take that and take away our humanity. Dear god man! Will you destroy this board! Will you cut out the essence of our very souls?
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RE: Aresco said "the Americans Can Be a Power Conference One Day"
(05-29-2014 07:12 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  
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(05-29-2014 06:50 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  
(05-29-2014 06:17 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  Seriously, nobody cares about "Who's number 6." Nobody but the BE and MW cared about it in the "old days," but now really nobody cares about it now.

#7 cares. And I'm thinking #'s 8 - 10 care if they're farsighted. But yes --- the distance, as it stands, between #'s 1-5 and the rest is just too great to cause much concern with the former.

Really? Is it really that big a comfort, for instance, that SMU finished #65 in the NCAA tournament committee's mind last season? Do you think that #66 is fretting over that? Or that people in general are sitting there the week after "Selection Sunday" remembering SMU as "the first team out" of the tourney field?

All "number six" means is that you're conference is not in the "Power" picture. That's it. And before it's all over, likely that will expand to also encompass "number five" as well...

It gives them Hope. It gives us Hope. Hope is the juice this board runs on. It's the fuel of every down trodden and overlooked man and woman on this planet. Hope -- it's all we have. ALL! Take that and take away our humanity. Dear god man! Will you destroy this board! Will you cut out the essence of our very souls?

04-cheers

Realistically, there's no Hope for this conference, in terms of being anything like the P5. But, there is always Hope for a school. Memphis has the ability to build itself a tremendous resume, P5-worthy. That really is in your/our hands.
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RE: Aresco said "the Americans Can Be a Power Conference One Day"
Is Mike an idiot to say "one day". The AAC is the best conference in the nation now.
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RE: Aresco said "the Americans Can Be a Power Conference One Day"
if every program in the AAC was like houston, smu, & ucf in terms of total resources, fanbase, & wealth these comments would hold some water to them. but unfortunately for the AAC not every program can match that quality which is why I am gonna have to give a big ole LOL here.
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RE: Aresco said "the Americans Can Be a Power Conference One Day"
(05-29-2014 07:12 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  
(05-29-2014 07:00 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  
(05-29-2014 06:50 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  
(05-29-2014 06:17 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  Seriously, nobody cares about "Who's number 6." Nobody but the BE and MW cared about it in the "old days," but now really nobody cares about it now.

#7 cares. And I'm thinking #'s 8 - 10 care if they're farsighted. But yes --- the distance, as it stands, between #'s 1-5 and the rest is just too great to cause much concern with the former.

Really? Is it really that big a comfort, for instance, that SMU finished #65 in the NCAA tournament committee's mind last season? Do you think that #66 is fretting over that? Or that people in general are sitting there the week after "Selection Sunday" remembering SMU as "the first team out" of the tourney field?

All "number six" means is that you're conference is not in the "Power" picture. That's it. And before it's all over, likely that will expand to also encompass "number five" as well...

It gives them Hope. It gives us Hope. Hope is the juice this board runs on. It's the fuel of every down trodden and overlooked man and woman on this planet. Hope -- it's all we have. ALL! Take that and take away our humanity. Dear god man! Will you destroy this board! Will you cut out the essence of our very souls?

Wow... Get a life.... Quickly.

(I think you're being hyperbolic... I hope you're being hyperbolic... If you are speaking in hyperbole, it's actually funny.)
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RE: Aresco said "the Americans Can Be a Power Conference One Day"
Who can say what will be the status of the AAC in 5 - 10 - 15 years? A great deal depends on how we respond to the challenges of keeping up with the big boys of the world when the new rules take effect. It could very well be that survival at a meaningful level will force the creation of a new conference - what everyone calls the Best of the Rest - and with that would come immediate impact, if not outright power conference status. Alternatively, given some level of stability, Cinn or Houston, or UCF, or any of us really, could develop into marquee programs with national interest to match. We already have that in basketball, and Cinn, Houston, and UCF have football programs that have performed at the highest levels. Navy has a national following and ECU, given more exposure, has tremendous potential.

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RE: Aresco said "the Americans Can Be a Power Conference One Day"
(05-29-2014 06:08 PM)ohio1317 Wrote:  
(05-29-2014 05:33 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  
(05-29-2014 05:19 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  The goal is to not be mentioned in the same breath with the MW, SB, CUSA, and MAC.

We're not. I can't remember the last time one of those conferences won a BCS bowl game and the Hoops National Championships in the same year (because they've never come remotely close) Those accomplishments speak to National relevance.

Yes, but in football, the American is going to be grouped right now right along with the others as far as most people and media are concerned. One BCS win is not going to cut it (we've seen too many non-AQs win too) and hoops is a different animal all together. It's a good first step, but only the first step in getting to where the conference is viewed completely differently by most than the other G5.

Let's look at the general media/public view of the conferences before the last round or realignment.
(note: I'm emphasizing media/general public. Everyone is different, but this is viewpoint I think held among the greatest number of people):

1-5. SEC, Big Ten, Big 12, PAC-10, ACC (note: by the end, SEC was clearly viewed as the best with various arguments for and against the others as #2).
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6. Big East: The Big East was an AQ conference, but was generally thought the weakest by far (accurately or not, I'm only talking perception here). They did surprisingly well in BCS games, but biggest names were only equal to the 2nd level big names in other conferences (although West Virginia just about closed that gap at their height).
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7. Mountain West: Some viewed this as actually stronger than the Big East, but in general was seen by the late 00s as far and way the strongest non-AQ, but still aways from the AQs.
--
---
--
8-11. Conference USA, WAC, MAC, Sunbelt: To the general public without a rooting interest, these were all essentially the same. Conference USA and the WAC were viewed a bit better with more intense audiences (Boise State helping the WAC a lot), but really I don't think I know many people who would have thought all that much different about any of these conferences.


After realignment, the order went to more like this for at least the short term:

1-5: SEC, Big Ten, ACC, PAC-12, Big 12
---
---
---
6-10.American, Mountain West, Conference USA, MAC, Sunbelt (among closer observing fans, the American and Mountain West are far stronger, but among the general public, it's pretty much a wash at this point).


The American's goal over the next half decade to decade should be to clearly re-establish the middle tier that used to exist and they can do that. Sustained success or at least a few solid seasons for multiple teams (that part is key, it can't be one program) is the key. If you get that, then you put the American as the clear #6 and the effect of that is huge.

i think your assessment is spot on here....
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RE: Aresco said "the Americans Can Be a Power Conference One Day"
(05-30-2014 06:51 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  
(05-29-2014 06:08 PM)ohio1317 Wrote:  
(05-29-2014 05:33 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  
(05-29-2014 05:19 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  The goal is to not be mentioned in the same breath with the MW, SB, CUSA, and MAC.

We're not. I can't remember the last time one of those conferences won a BCS bowl game and the Hoops National Championships in the same year (because they've never come remotely close) Those accomplishments speak to National relevance.

Yes, but in football, the American is going to be grouped right now right along with the others as far as most people and media are concerned. One BCS win is not going to cut it (we've seen too many non-AQs win too) and hoops is a different animal all together. It's a good first step, but only the first step in getting to where the conference is viewed completely differently by most than the other G5.

Let's look at the general media/public view of the conferences before the last round or realignment.
(note: I'm emphasizing media/general public. Everyone is different, but this is viewpoint I think held among the greatest number of people):

1-5. SEC, Big Ten, Big 12, PAC-10, ACC (note: by the end, SEC was clearly viewed as the best with various arguments for and against the others as #2).
-
6. Big East: The Big East was an AQ conference, but was generally thought the weakest by far (accurately or not, I'm only talking perception here). They did surprisingly well in BCS games, but biggest names were only equal to the 2nd level big names in other conferences (although West Virginia just about closed that gap at their height).
-
7. Mountain West: Some viewed this as actually stronger than the Big East, but in general was seen by the late 00s as far and way the strongest non-AQ, but still aways from the AQs.
--
---
--
8-11. Conference USA, WAC, MAC, Sunbelt: To the general public without a rooting interest, these were all essentially the same. Conference USA and the WAC were viewed a bit better with more intense audiences (Boise State helping the WAC a lot), but really I don't think I know many people who would have thought all that much different about any of these conferences.


After realignment, the order went to more like this for at least the short term:

1-5: SEC, Big Ten, ACC, PAC-12, Big 12
---
---
---
6-10.American, Mountain West, Conference USA, MAC, Sunbelt (among closer observing fans, the American and Mountain West are far stronger, but among the general public, it's pretty much a wash at this point).


The American's goal over the next half decade to decade should be to clearly re-establish the middle tier that used to exist and they can do that. Sustained success or at least a few solid seasons for multiple teams (that part is key, it can't be one program) is the key. If you get that, then you put the American as the clear #6 and the effect of that is huge.

i think your assessment is spot on here....

cant argue here. pretty good look at the future.
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(05-29-2014 06:51 PM)YNot Wrote:  
(05-29-2014 05:19 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  I don't see this ever being a power conference. The goal is to not be mentioned in the same breath with the MW, SB, CUSA, and MAC. Can we close the gap enough with the power conferences that we create some space between us and the rest of the G5. That should be the current goal.

Get to where we earn around half of what the P5 earn. Get to a 40K+ attendance average for the league. Establish a signature bowl for the conference where winning the AAC championship actually means you go to higher quality bowl than the 5th place finisher. In fact, we need to get to where at least the first and second place teams generally see a ranked opponent (or at least a 9-3/8-4 type P5 squad). All these goals are possible. If we can get these goals met and the playoffs expand to 8 in the futures, life in the AAC wouldn't be all that bad.

Expand into the West! That will destroy the American's main competition, the MWC, and get the "best of the rest" into the same conference. Ie, UCF, BYU, Boise St., Fresno, Cincinnati, etc.

Get Boise St., Fresno St., and San Diego St. out of the MWC and into the American, along with BYU, and you would become the de facto Group of 5 champion filling the CFP spot year in and year out. The American champion would indeed face a ranked team every year, because you would be playing in the Cotton, Peach or Fiesta Bowl against a top-10 team.

I also think you go after UNLV and Colorado St. to add the Las Vegas and Denver markets to the fold - and take them away from the MWC. The American would become a behemoth 20+ team conference, but pods and conference championship games would help to build rivalries and quality matchups for the TV deal and help to balance scheduling.

You could then add the Las Vegas and Poinsettia Bowls and perhaps another California-based bowl game (Fight Hunger Bowl?) and Texas Bowl (keep the Armed Forces Bowl annually?) into the conference. (It's only scheduled for 2014 and 2018 season right now - but perfect spot to play Big 12 and Big Ten opponents)

UNLV, San Diego St., and BYU really help to enhance AAC basketball too.

That would distance the AAC from the rest but the TV money would really need to increase a lot.
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RE: Aresco said "the Americans Can Be a Power Conference One Day"
(05-29-2014 07:07 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  We can become the tweener conference. That is a realistic goal. Not much of one, but realistic.

I'm still mystified by your attempts to "fit in" by framing your bs as "We..."

You actually think that makes you credible by masquerading your opinion as self-relection?

You're a dork, quo. 07-coffee3

Now, why don't you attack this post with "UConnFB"?
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RE: Aresco said "the Americans Can Be a Power Conference One Day"
(05-29-2014 07:14 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(05-29-2014 07:12 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  
(05-29-2014 07:00 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  
(05-29-2014 06:50 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  
(05-29-2014 06:17 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  Seriously, nobody cares about "Who's number 6." Nobody but the BE and MW cared about it in the "old days," but now really nobody cares about it now.

#7 cares. And I'm thinking #'s 8 - 10 care if they're farsighted. But yes --- the distance, as it stands, between #'s 1-5 and the rest is just too great to cause much concern with the former.

Really? Is it really that big a comfort, for instance, that SMU finished #65 in the NCAA tournament committee's mind last season? Do you think that #66 is fretting over that? Or that people in general are sitting there the week after "Selection Sunday" remembering SMU as "the first team out" of the tourney field?

All "number six" means is that you're conference is not in the "Power" picture. That's it. And before it's all over, likely that will expand to also encompass "number five" as well...

It gives them Hope. It gives us Hope. Hope is the juice this board runs on. It's the fuel of every down trodden and overlooked man and woman on this planet. Hope -- it's all we have. ALL! Take that and take away our humanity. Dear god man! Will you destroy this board! Will you cut out the essence of our very souls?

04-cheers

Realistically, there's no Hope for this conference, in terms of being anything like the P5. But, there is always Hope for a school. Memphis has the ability to build itself a tremendous resume, P5-worthy. That really is in your/our hands.

spot on

anybody who thinks we are going to magically get 20+mil a year and an auto bid to the big boy bowls like the P5's currently have are delusional
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(05-30-2014 06:51 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  
(05-29-2014 06:08 PM)ohio1317 Wrote:  
(05-29-2014 05:33 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  
(05-29-2014 05:19 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  The goal is to not be mentioned in the same breath with the MW, SB, CUSA, and MAC.

We're not. I can't remember the last time one of those conferences won a BCS bowl game and the Hoops National Championships in the same year (because they've never come remotely close) Those accomplishments speak to National relevance.

Yes, but in football, the American is going to be grouped right now right along with the others as far as most people and media are concerned. One BCS win is not going to cut it (we've seen too many non-AQs win too) and hoops is a different animal all together. It's a good first step, but only the first step in getting to where the conference is viewed completely differently by most than the other G5.

Let's look at the general media/public view of the conferences before the last round or realignment.
(note: I'm emphasizing media/general public. Everyone is different, but this is viewpoint I think held among the greatest number of people):

1-5. SEC, Big Ten, Big 12, PAC-10, ACC (note: by the end, SEC was clearly viewed as the best with various arguments for and against the others as #2).
-
6. Big East: The Big East was an AQ conference, but was generally thought the weakest by far (accurately or not, I'm only talking perception here). They did surprisingly well in BCS games, but biggest names were only equal to the 2nd level big names in other conferences (although West Virginia just about closed that gap at their height).
-
7. Mountain West: Some viewed this as actually stronger than the Big East, but in general was seen by the late 00s as far and way the strongest non-AQ, but still aways from the AQs.
--
---
--
8-11. Conference USA, WAC, MAC, Sunbelt: To the general public without a rooting interest, these were all essentially the same. Conference USA and the WAC were viewed a bit better with more intense audiences (Boise State helping the WAC a lot), but really I don't think I know many people who would have thought all that much different about any of these conferences.


After realignment, the order went to more like this for at least the short term:

1-5: SEC, Big Ten, ACC, PAC-12, Big 12
---
---
---
6-10.American, Mountain West, Conference USA, MAC, Sunbelt (among closer observing fans, the American and Mountain West are far stronger, but among the general public, it's pretty much a wash at this point).


The American's goal over the next half decade to decade should be to clearly re-establish the middle tier that used to exist and they can do that. Sustained success or at least a few solid seasons for multiple teams (that part is key, it can't be one program) is the key. If you get that, then you put the American as the clear #6 and the effect of that is huge.

i think your assessment is spot on here....

Yes, he did a great job of summarizing the perceptions that existed in the BCS era and that exist now at the dawn of the CFP era, and what we can achieve going forward.
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RE: Aresco said "the Americans Can Be a Power Conference One Day"
(05-30-2014 11:36 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  
(05-29-2014 07:07 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  We can become the tweener conference. That is a realistic goal. Not much of one, but realistic.

I'm still mystified by your attempts to "fit in" by framing your bs as "We..."

You actually think that makes you credible by masquerading your opinion as self-relection?

You're a dork, quo. 07-coffee3

Now, why don't you attack this post with "UConnFB"?


You are on the verge of being some weird psycho internet stalker at this point.
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RE: Aresco said "the Americans Can Be a Power Conference One Day"
I don't think he meant the AAC would have similar big money tv contracts as the P5, but if the league matches the pay the P5 proposes to pay players the league will separate itself more from the other G5 and the P5 would not be able to exclude it should they separate. So under those terms you could see the league become like a middle ground conference that will remain attached to the P5 and eventually earn tv dollars in that middle ground between P5 and G4.

In my book of Aresco can manage that then he would be successful and our schools would be happy with that result short of being invited to a P5
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RE: Aresco said "the Americans Can Be a Power Conference One Day"
the best the AAC could hope for...add a western division and get a new contract in the 5-7mil/team range and maybe upgrade a few bowls
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RE: Aresco said "the Americans Can Be a Power Conference One Day"
(05-31-2014 09:50 AM)UConnFB Wrote:  
(05-30-2014 11:36 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  
(05-29-2014 07:07 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  We can become the tweener conference. That is a realistic goal. Not much of one, but realistic.

I'm still mystified by your attempts to "fit in" by framing your bs as "We..."

You actually think that makes you credible by masquerading your opinion as self-relection?

You're a dork, quo. 07-coffee3

Now, why don't you attack this post with "UConnFB"?


You are on the verge of being some weird psycho internet stalker at this point.

"Verge"???

LOL... I think Homer should do to Quo what I did to Homer... Use the "Ignore User" function.
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(05-31-2014 09:56 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  the best the AAC could hope for...add a western division and get a new contract in the 5-7mil/team range and maybe upgrade a few bowls

And that may happen depending on what develops with the MWC schools matching the p5 in paying players
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RE: Aresco said "the Americans Can Be a Power Conference One Day"
A huge difference amongst the G5 is the cost of attendance. If just a couple of schools in a conference refuses, that conference will be severely damaged.

The AAC schools are committed to pay. Suppose two schools in the MWC refuse to pay. How will that conference be looked upon and how would their champion be regarded?
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RE: Aresco said "the Americans Can Be a Power Conference One Day"
(05-31-2014 10:46 PM)HoustonRocks Wrote:  A huge difference amongst the G5 is the cost of attendance. If just a couple of schools in a conference refuses, that conference will be severely damaged.

The AAC schools are committed to pay. Suppose two schools in the MWC refuse to pay. How will that conference be looked upon and how would their champion be regarded?

What are the budgets in the mwc? Especially the bottom end.
05-31-2014 10:51 PM
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