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RE: UCF / USF divisional split unlikely... Navy to west gains steam
(05-29-2014 08:04 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  Simply for Fla exposure.....the Florida teams need to be in different divisions.

No we don't. Why should we be in separate divisions just because you guys want access to Florida? That doesn't benefit USF or UCF at all, in fact we could do without the extra recruiting competition. 07-coffee3
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(05-29-2014 12:36 AM)chrisiskingx Wrote:  looking at that map...wow everyone is so damn spaced away from each other! Crap,

Imagine how bad it would have been if we'd actually done the national conference.
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RE: UCF / USF divisional split unlikely... Navy to west gains steam
(05-28-2014 10:09 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  
(05-28-2014 10:06 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  While that's the headline of the article, nothing in it suggests that is true. In fact, quite the opposite is described within the article:

Quote:Although it's highly unlikely, AAC commissioner Mike Aresco didn't rule out the possibility of UCF and USF playing in separate divisions. That's an idea Temple coach Matt Rhule would endorse.

"If they split UCF and USF, that's good for us and we have a chance to go down there," Rhule said. "There's so many factors to it. But I'm hoping we'll be with UConn so we have a local rivalry where we can get up and down the road. I think having some sort of a geographic rivalry."
LOL so he endorses splitting UCF-USF then says he wants to keep UConn for a close rival. Sounds like a hypocrite to me.

Evidently he wants a Florida trip every year instead of every other one.
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RE: UCF / USF divisional split unlikely... Navy to west gains steam
Why do we need divisions again?
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(05-28-2014 11:22 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  
(05-28-2014 11:20 PM)ncbeta Wrote:  
(05-28-2014 11:19 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  "Any way you slice it, it leaves a traveling stretch for some schools. Eight of the 12 American teams share the East Coast time zone and, equally of interest to some coaches, just two schools live in a state known for warm weather 365 days out of the year."

LOL. I guess writer did not realize Houston and New Orleans are subtropical cities with palm trees everywhere and warm weather virtually all year similar to northern half of Florida.

Geography is an under appreciated discipline.

Houston is actually warmer than Jacksonville Florida year around and New Orleans might be also.

North Carolina is warm enough to have a large alligator population in the east. A 12 footer got struck by a car the other day down near Morehead City.
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(05-29-2014 04:40 AM)carolinaknights Wrote:  [quote='Wilkie01' pid='10788527' dateline='1401338635']
It should be:

North
Connecticut
Temple
Cincinnati
Navy
East Carolina
Memphis

South
Central Florida
South Florida
Tulane
SMU
Houston
Tulsa

07-coffee3

From a cougar perspective, having 3 privates that were former CUSA teams with small fan bases (pot calling kettle, I know) in our division is less than desirable and gives ammo to those that will claim it's CUSA with USF. I think Tulsa or Tulane should take one for the team and switch out with Navy since they want to play Texas schools anyway. Tulane does have a bunch of east coast students and Tulsa is considered more north I guess. So something like this we be good for us:

North
Connecticut
Temple
Cincinnati
Tulsa
East Carolina
Memphis

South
Central Florida
South Florida
Navy
SMU
Houston
Tulane

Having Tulsa in the north helps even out the strength of the two divisions IMO.
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(05-29-2014 08:32 AM)uconnwhaler Wrote:  Why do we need divisions again?

To have a Championship game.
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RE: UCF / USF divisional split unlikely... Navy to west gains steam
Actually, as a Tulsa fan, I would like those divisions.
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When you are looking at the alignments you have to have some feeling for where various programs can go.

In 5 years, can Temple and Memphis have strong programs? Will the balance of power be tilted towards Cincinnati and the Florida schools forever?

If Temple can win like it did in the MAC, and Memphis rebounds to their 2002-2004 strength, then the North looks like it can offset the South and have a pretty even balance of power. If the key to developing each program is to send each school to Texas and Florida every year, then you have to go with a zipper alignment.

But just because Temple visits these states, does it mean that recruits will want to go to school in Philadelphia, far away from home? Not picking on Temple, obviously, because there's a lot of talent in PA, but I'm just posing the question.

IMO, if you want to go with geography, Columbus, OH seems to be the East-West midpoint. For a North-South configuration, TWCoog's alignment isn't bad (except for Tulsa, who makes more sense in the South than the North).

And yes, Navy wanted to be in the West when SDSU was coming in. Not sure if that still stands.
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Is anyone at the meetings talking about the ramifications of deregulation? Would they consider NOT having divisions? Would they consider not having a championship game?
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north/south is dead IMO, just yesterday numerous coaches mostly NE teams talked about the floridas and the recruiting grounds, i doubt thyd agree to put no recruiting grounds in their division

from rumors we are down to 4 options: east/west natural geography (cincy west), east/west dividing floridas (for recruiting), east/west, navy west (because they want to play a texas every year)

lastly some wierd zipper that does all of that (gives NE schools recruiting grounds, keeps cincy close to pals, gives navy a texas, while still preserving some local rivals) but the fact all zippers have failed will be in the mind of the decision makers
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I know, this might matter for attendance rallying, etc., but I think it's getting a little overblown, and no matter what we do someone is not going to be happy. We still play games with the other division, just a bit less often. Also, you can certainly meet your desired enemy in the CCG!!!
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OK, then this would be best:

East
Central Florida
Conncecticut
Temple
Cincinnati
Navy
East Carolina

West
South Florida
Memphis
Tulane
SMU
Houston
Tulsa

07-coffee3
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(05-29-2014 08:23 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(05-29-2014 08:04 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  Simply for Fla exposure.....the Florida teams need to be in different divisions.

No we don't. Why should we be in separate divisions just because you guys want access to Florida? That doesn't benefit USF or UCF at all, in fact we could do without the extra recruiting competition. 07-coffee3

Agree with this 100%. While playing each other in a championship game might sound good, I think that almost cheapens the regular season game. I'd rather play USF on Thanksgiving weekend during rivalry weekend as the last regular season game. As time goes on, I have no doubt that game will decide who goes to the championship game in some years. I don't think anyone would want a scenario where we could potentially play each other two weeks in a row, and I don't want to see the game moved to earlier in the season. I think it's the ONLY way either team will be able draw a decent crowd on Thanksgiving weekend. And I certainly would oppose any format where we were in different divisions without permanent crossovers. No. We need to be kept together. End of story.
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invite UTEP & go with 7 in east n 6 in west
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(05-29-2014 09:01 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  OK, then this would be best:

East
Central Florida
Conncecticut
Temple
Cincinnati
Navy
East Carolina

West
South Florida
Memphis
Tulane
SMU
Houston
Tulsa

07-coffee3

Personally I would love to see this, I would swap UCF and USF to more even up the UCF/UH/ECU/Cincy balance of strength but even as it this would be my personal choice.

I have a feeling that Navy negotiated a spot in the West from back when they were approached to join the Big East. I know they wanted to be able to play off their presence in San Diego when SDSU was part of the equation and it would make sense from a Texas exposure standpoint.
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(05-29-2014 08:30 AM)ultraviolet Wrote:  
(05-28-2014 10:09 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  
(05-28-2014 10:06 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  While that's the headline of the article, nothing in it suggests that is true. In fact, quite the opposite is described within the article:

Quote:Although it's highly unlikely, AAC commissioner Mike Aresco didn't rule out the possibility of UCF and USF playing in separate divisions. That's an idea Temple coach Matt Rhule would endorse.

"If they split UCF and USF, that's good for us and we have a chance to go down there," Rhule said. "There's so many factors to it. But I'm hoping we'll be with UConn so we have a local rivalry where we can get up and down the road. I think having some sort of a geographic rivalry."
LOL so he endorses splitting UCF-USF then says he wants to keep UConn for a close rival. Sounds like a hypocrite to me.

Evidently he wants a Florida trip every year instead of every other one.
To be clear, Rhule couldn't give a rat's a-- whether UCF and USF are split. He just wants at least one of them to be in his division. Temple's first two recruits this year are from FLA. This is one of the benefits of being in the AAC - being able to represent to sunshine state recruits that family/friends can see them play. (And those Florida bowl arrangements of the AAC don't hurt either.)
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(05-29-2014 08:54 AM)pesik Wrote:  north/south is dead IMO, just yesterday numerous coaches mostly NE teams talked about the floridas and the recruiting grounds, i doubt thyd agree to put no recruiting grounds in their division

from rumors we are down to 4 options: east/west natural geography (cincy west), east/west dividing floridas (for recruiting), east/west, navy west (because they want to play a texas every year)

lastly some wierd zipper that does all of that (gives NE schools recruiting grounds, keeps cincy close to pals, gives navy a texas, while still preserving some local rivals) but the fact all zippers have failed will be in the mind of the decision makers

There would be 2 Florida schools in a south division. That means with a little planning, every northern team could play a conference game against a Florida team every year. That actually guarantees as many conference games every year in Florida as having a Florida team in your division. Any old Big East team only got one game in Florida every other year since half the time the game vs USF was a home game. Florida recruiting exposure would be the same as its always been for most of the teams concerned about that issue. Frankly, I think the insistence on the east-west model is more about keeping the legacy Big East schools together.
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(05-29-2014 09:14 AM)NYCTUFan Wrote:  
(05-29-2014 09:01 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  OK, then this would be best:

East
Central Florida
Conncecticut
Temple
Cincinnati
Navy
East Carolina

West
South Florida
Memphis
Tulane
SMU
Houston
Tulsa

07-coffee3

Personally I would love to see this, I would swap UCF and USF to more even up the UCF/UH/ECU/Cincy balance of strength but even as it this would be my personal choice.

I have a feeling that Navy negotiated a spot in the West from back when they were approached to join the Big East. I know they wanted to be able to play off their presence in San Diego when SDSU was part of the equation and it would make sense from a Texas exposure standpoint.

I only put USF in the West because they are located in Southwest Florida. 07-coffee3
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I like Navy in the west simply so we can avoid the triple option
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