(05-29-2014 08:47 AM)Tigeer Wrote:  He who hath the gold makes the rules.

I am just surprised the IRS has not come after a part of the gold at this point. Pay players and they may find a way to do so.

Its all just a big money grab, why shouldn't our spend hungry politicians get there hands on some. Heck, Maryland's administration was so spend happy they had to go to the BIG just to keep from drowning. We have not seen the end of all this either; there will be future steps to follow some money. Eventually there may even be a collapse, just hard to fathom if that is even possible given its about the only business that has grown exponentially in a slow economy.

I have no problem with the arms race that is taking place at the P5 level.

The net result will be some traditionally strong programs have and will continue to struggle to reclaim their programs glory days and their fans will suffer as a result. Many already are.

Fans of schools like Southern Mississippi, Louisiana, Boise State , Appalachian State, Georgia Southern, Arkansas State, Troy, Marshall, La Tech, Tulsa, and the like will continue to enjoy college football, and will have better teams than many if not most P5 programs.

P5 budgets range from 125 million to 50 million.

G5 budgets range from 70 million to 20 million. Note their are some big budget schools among the G5.

Non-FBS budgets range from 35 million to 5 million. Anyone that sponsors scholarship football, sporting a 20,000 seat stadium and running a 20 million dollar budget doesn't belong here.

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(05-29-2014 09:08 AM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  

(05-29-2014 08:47 AM)Tigeer Wrote:  He who hath the gold makes the rules.

I am just surprised the IRS has not come after a part of the gold at this point. Pay players and they may find a way to do so.

Its all just a big money grab, why shouldn't our spend hungry politicians get there hands on some. Heck, Maryland's administration was so spend happy they had to go to the BIG just to keep from drowning. We have not seen the end of all this either; there will be future steps to follow some money. Eventually there may even be a collapse, just hard to fathom if that is even possible given its about the only business that has grown exponentially in a slow economy.

I have no problem with the arms race that is taking place at the P5 level.

The net result will be some traditionally strong programs have and will continue to struggle to reclaim their programs glory days and their fans will suffer as a result. Many already are.

Fans of schools like Southern Mississippi, Louisiana, Boise State , Appalachian State, Georgia Southern, Arkansas State, Troy, Marshall, La Tech, Tulsa, and the like will continue to enjoy college football, and will have better teams than many if not most P5 programs.

Sure they will!

(05-29-2014 09:14 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  

(05-29-2014 09:08 AM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  

(05-29-2014 08:47 AM)Tigeer Wrote:  He who hath the gold makes the rules.

I am just surprised the IRS has not come after a part of the gold at this point. Pay players and they may find a way to do so.

Its all just a big money grab, why shouldn't our spend hungry politicians get there hands on some. Heck, Maryland's administration was so spend happy they had to go to the BIG just to keep from drowning. We have not seen the end of all this either; there will be future steps to follow some money. Eventually there may even be a collapse, just hard to fathom if that is even possible given its about the only business that has grown exponentially in a slow economy.

I have no problem with the arms race that is taking place at the P5 level.

The net result will be some traditionally strong programs have and will continue to struggle to reclaim their programs glory days and their fans will suffer as a result. Many already are.

Fans of schools like Southern Mississippi, Louisiana, Boise State , Appalachian State, Georgia Southern, Arkansas State, Troy, Marshall, La Tech, Tulsa, and the like will continue to enjoy college football, and will have better teams than many if not most P5 programs.

Sure they will!

Oh that's right. Louisville got their ticket punched and now there is nothing but a steaming turd left in the G5.

(05-29-2014 09:12 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  P5 budgets range from 125 million to 50 million.

G5 budgets range from 70 million to 20 million. Note their are some big budget schools among the G5.

Non-FBS budgets range from 35 million to 5 million. Anyone that sponsors scholarship football, sporting a 20,000 seat stadium and running a 20 million dollar budget doesn't belong here.

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I have no problem with the rich saying that no one but the rich belong, they have always tried to separate themselves by a variety of means.

When I was growing up in the segregated south there were other artificial 'barriers' to competition, mostly to avoid competition.

(05-29-2014 10:38 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(05-29-2014 09:14 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  

(05-29-2014 09:08 AM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  

(05-29-2014 08:47 AM)Tigeer Wrote:  He who hath the gold makes the rules.

I am just surprised the IRS has not come after a part of the gold at this point. Pay players and they may find a way to do so.

Its all just a big money grab, why shouldn't our spend hungry politicians get there hands on some. Heck, Maryland's administration was so spend happy they had to go to the BIG just to keep from drowning. We have not seen the end of all this either; there will be future steps to follow some money. Eventually there may even be a collapse, just hard to fathom if that is even possible given its about the only business that has grown exponentially in a slow economy.

I have no problem with the arms race that is taking place at the P5 level.

The net result will be some traditionally strong programs have and will continue to struggle to reclaim their programs glory days and their fans will suffer as a result. Many already are.

Fans of schools like Southern Mississippi, Louisiana, Boise State , Appalachian State, Georgia Southern, Arkansas State, Troy, Marshall, La Tech, Tulsa, and the like will continue to enjoy college football, and will have better teams than many if not most P5 programs.

Sure they will!

Oh that's right. Louisville got their ticket punched and now there is nothing but a steaming turd left in the G5.

That's pretty much so, other than BYU, Cincinnati, and Connecticut as far as 2015 is concerned.

(05-29-2014 11:16 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  

(05-29-2014 10:38 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(05-29-2014 09:14 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  

(05-29-2014 09:08 AM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  

(05-29-2014 08:47 AM)Tigeer Wrote:  He who hath the gold makes the rules.

I am just surprised the IRS has not come after a part of the gold at this point. Pay players and they may find a way to do so.

Its all just a big money grab, why shouldn't our spend hungry politicians get there hands on some. Heck, Maryland's administration was so spend happy they had to go to the BIG just to keep from drowning. We have not seen the end of all this either; there will be future steps to follow some money. Eventually there may even be a collapse, just hard to fathom if that is even possible given its about the only business that has grown exponentially in a slow economy.

I have no problem with the arms race that is taking place at the P5 level.

The net result will be some traditionally strong programs have and will continue to struggle to reclaim their programs glory days and their fans will suffer as a result. Many already are.

Fans of schools like Southern Mississippi, Louisiana, Boise State , Appalachian State, Georgia Southern, Arkansas State, Troy, Marshall, La Tech, Tulsa, and the like will continue to enjoy college football, and will have better teams than many if not most P5 programs.

Sure they will!

Oh that's right. Louisville got their ticket punched and now there is nothing but a steaming turd left in the G5.

That's pretty much so, other than BYU, Cincinnati, and Connecticut as far as 2015 is concerned.

(05-29-2014 08:47 AM)Tigeer Wrote:  Eventually there may even be a collapse, just hard to fathom if that is even possible given its about the only business that has grown exponentially in a slow economy.

TV money might decrease in the next wave of P5 contracts, but that is 10 years or more down the road.

The slow deterioration of ticket sales in football and men's basketball (and the eventual deterioration of donations that flow from those ticket sales) ought to be more worrisome than TV deals that don't expire for another 10 years.

Season-ticket sales and associated donations might be an even larger problem for athletic departments that are more dependent on basketball revenue than on football. Think about it from the perspective of a major-program CBB season-ticket holder and a Wednesday night home game against an average conference opponent. You can drive 40 miles to the arena after work on Wednesday, maybe in bad winter weather depending on where you live, to watch a so-so midseason game, then drive 40 miles home. Maybe the TV network gave the game an 8 pm start time so you get home at 11 pm or later on Wednesday night. Or, you can go home after work, eat a whole meal in your own house that costs less than one warmed-over hot dog at the arena, drink beer out of your fridge where a six-pack costs as much as one beer at the arena, sit on your own couch, and watch not only your own team's game but 4 or 5 other games if you want. So, are you going to keep those season tickets, or are you going to just buy tickets for a handful of good home games and watch the rest on TV?

(05-29-2014 12:03 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(05-29-2014 08:47 AM)Tigeer Wrote:  Eventually there may even be a collapse, just hard to fathom if that is even possible given its about the only business that has grown exponentially in a slow economy.

TV money might decrease in the next wave of P5 contracts, but that is 10 years or more down the road.

The slow deterioration of ticket sales in football and men's basketball (and the eventual deterioration of donations that flow from those ticket sales) ought to be more worrisome than TV deals that don't expire for another 10 years.

Season-ticket sales and associated donations might be an even larger problem for athletic departments that are more dependent on basketball revenue than on football. Think about it from the perspective of a major-program CBB season-ticket holder and a Wednesday night home game against an average conference opponent. You can drive 40 miles to the arena after work on Wednesday, maybe in bad winter weather depending on where you live, to watch a so-so midseason game, then drive 40 miles home. Maybe the TV network gave the game an 8 pm start time so you get home at 11 pm or later on Wednesday night. Or, you can go home after work, eat a whole meal in your own house that costs less than one warmed-over hot dog at the arena, drink beer out of your fridge where a six-pack costs as much as one beer at the arena, sit on your own couch, and watch not only your own team's game but 4 or 5 other games if you want. So, are you going to keep those season tickets, or are you going to just buy tickets for a handful of good home games and watch the rest on TV?

And when you look at the number of schools who are far more dependent on ticket and associated donation revenue than they are TV, softening attendance is very bad news.

(05-29-2014 12:15 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  And when you look at the number of schools who are far more dependent on ticket and associated donation revenue than they are TV, softening attendance is very bad news.

What happened with the weighted conference vote (e.g. 1.5 for the P5 to 1 for the G5 who were to be included with all of D-I). I thought that issue was tabled. If so, were does this "autonomy" of which we are discussing here come from?

(05-29-2014 09:12 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  P5 budgets range from 125 million to 50 million.

G5 budgets range from 70 million to 20 million. Note their are some big budget schools among the G5.

Non-FBS budgets range from 35 million to 5 million. Anyone that sponsors scholarship football, sporting a 20,000 seat stadium and running a 20 million dollar budget doesn't belong here.

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Amen, brother.