(05-28-2014 10:15 PM)john01992 Wrote:  not saying they couldn't practice elsewhere. the whole situation was incredibly f***ed up regardless.

What was "f***ed up" about it, then?

I don't really agree with any of those being bad jobs, UNLV?. Now the honorable mention jobs are bad jobs.

(05-29-2014 08:43 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(05-28-2014 10:15 PM)john01992 Wrote:  not saying they couldn't practice elsewhere. the whole situation was incredibly f***ed up regardless.

What was "f***ed up" about it, then?

getting kicked out of your own practice facility and having to play at the intramural gym

(05-29-2014 06:09 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  I think that what makes a school a "bad job" is high expectations with little chance of meeting those expectations. Think Arkansas football.

I think Illinois is a bad job. Fans think "hey, we're the biggest school in Illinois by far, so we should dominate in Chicago," and they expect to perenially be at the top of the Big 10. Problem is that Chicago cares just as much about Illinois as it does about Wisconsin or Purdue, so the Illini have no advantage except in the parts of the state that are similar in population to Iowa.

Others I'd put up there are West Virginia, St. John's, Depaul, NC State, and UNLV. There's probably a lot more. To tell the truth I'd probably put UC and Miami on the list too because there's a long tradition of winning but the basketball facilities are ancient and most of the recruiting is out-of-state due to intense local competition.

Good points.

I see what you're saying about UC and Miami and it makes sense, but I don't think Miami is a 'bad' job as much as it is underachieving. There's no expectation that they need to win like in the nineties, and it shows in the fan support. Our program slowly decayed last year as Charlie Coles had to pimp out his team to help support the other Miami teams, now we're turning the corner with John Cooper as coach. But there are certain innate advantages Miami has over the other MAC schools that they can't be matched, it's just a matter of using them.

(05-29-2014 10:02 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(05-29-2014 08:43 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(05-28-2014 10:15 PM)john01992 Wrote:  not saying they couldn't practice elsewhere. the whole situation was incredibly f***ed up regardless.

What was "f***ed up" about it, then?

getting kicked out of your own practice facility and having to play at the intramural gym

Just for the record, Ed got upset because he wasn't practicing in the BJC, which has to be purposed for basketball practices. It's not a basketball court with 10-15K seats around it by default. Even if he got full usage of South, which people should honestly just call "Rec Hall," because that's what it is, it wasn't good enough for him. Just think about that one for a second. He was upset he had to even be there.

They cleared out an entire main floor of *the* IM Building (which is deceptive, because there are other "IM" buildings, like the White Building, Multi-Sport building, and other "gyms"), which is a HUGE space.

So, what's his problem?

Keep in mind, this is the guy who never scheduled anyone of worth in the non-conference. He hardly budged from University Park in the non-conference. So he gets bumped a little, and is forced to share with the more successful women's program, and is put up in a more than adequate facility, with exclusivity, and that's a basketball problem at the school?

The PROs don't even have exclusive access to their arenas. Just because the old little troll had all the say about the 110K-seat monstrosity that collects dust half of the year, this jack*** thinks BJC is his?!

And he had the nerve to b*tch about this again after the school ALLOWED him to look for another job and resign?

****, for that kind of leniency and flexibility, and to be that bad and still have job security? Sign me up. PSU is the Hilton.

(05-29-2014 11:01 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(05-29-2014 10:02 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(05-29-2014 08:43 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(05-28-2014 10:15 PM)john01992 Wrote:  not saying they couldn't practice elsewhere. the whole situation was incredibly f***ed up regardless.

What was "f***ed up" about it, then?

getting kicked out of your own practice facility and having to play at the intramural gym

Just for the record, Ed got upset because he wasn't practicing in the BJC, which has to be purposed for basketball practices. It's not a basketball court with 10-15K seats around it by default. Even if he got full usage of South, which people should honestly just call "Rec Hall," because that's what it is, it wasn't good enough for him. Just think about that one for a second. He was upset he had to even be there.

They cleared out an entire main floor of *the* IM Building (which is deceptive, because there are other "IM" buildings, like the White Building, Multi-Sport building, and other "gyms"), which is a HUGE space.

So, what's his problem?

Keep in mind, this is the guy who never scheduled anyone of worth in the non-conference. He hardly budged from University Park in the non-conference. So he gets bumped a little, and is forced to share with the more successful women's program, and is put up in a more than adequate facility, with exclusivity, and that's a basketball problem at the school?

The PROs don't even have exclusive access to their arenas. Just because the old little troll had all the say about the 110K-seat monstrosity that collects dust half of the year, this jack*** thinks BJC is his?!

And he had the nerve to b*tch about this again after the school ALLOWED him to look for another job and resign?

****, for that kind of leniency and flexibility, and to be that bad and still have job security? Sign me up. PSU is the Hilton.

i think we know who the real problem is here ^^^^

Like I said, don't indulge that slacker.

(05-29-2014 11:15 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  Like I said, don't indulge that slacker.

yeah sorry but it is the administration that is at fault here not a coach.

-no school gives a smaller % of its total resources to basketball than psu.

-among p5 schools no one has smaller basketball attendance relative to total enrollment than PSU.

-no p5 school has as lopsided basketball coach salary vs football coach salary than PSU.

this is not some guy eating a check & doing nothing. this is an administration with a football culture problem that despite a 4 year bowl ban still hasn't learned its lesson. PSU has a crap basketball team because PSU does not care for basketball. PSU can get 16k to a wrestling match but that same year PSU had only 1 basketball game exceed 8k attendance. in its first year as a d1 program PSU hockey averaged 6k fans and a 104% capacity. that same year PSU basketball had over half its games under 6k and was at a 40% total capacity. PSU routinely has the lowest paid BB coach in the b10 ==> how the heck northwestern the weakest p5 school athletically, with one of the smallest budgets among p5 schools, and has never been to the tourny manage to scrap together more $$$ for their BB coach is beyond me.

(05-30-2014 12:01 PM)john01992 Wrote:  yeah sorry but it is the administration that is at fault here not a coach.

Let me know what "meat" you find in Ed's non-conference scheduling (beyond the B10-ACC challenge games) and say that again.

He took shots at the fans for not showing up. Is he entitled to full arenas with the likes of St. Francis, UMES, Yale, Maine, etc.? News to me. That's not how they do things down here in Big 5 territory. And why did HE stop scheduling Pitt? He had some of THE worst SOS ratings in the non-conference. That's not on "the administration." That's on him.

And is Navy having a renaissance these days?

I live and breath PA college hoops. I am so damn proud of this state. And, still, I hadn't a clue wtf he was doing. Sorry, Ed's a loser. Through and through.

The only "administrative fault" I ever had with the program was how they tossed Dunn not long after his Sweet 16 season. But it's not like Dunn ever recovered and took a head post again, and considering who the guy was who fired Dunn, who knows what happened.

Small budget, sure. Not good money, absolutely (they operate under a different model up there, though...like double-dip with salary and tenure, or booster contributions). PSU is PA's second worst program (congrats, St. Francis!), but don't bail out the terrible coach who helped put them there.