(05-25-2014 09:56 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote: I'm afraid I much further gone than you guys on the matter. I hate everything rap and hip hop stands for and this started in the early 90s. When I hear bass thumping, or some angry uneducated rapper blaring from someone's car, I get angry. I cannot express how much I hate anything that is connected to gang culture....whether that be a loose connection or straight up gangster rap. I equate everything post 1989(rap, hip hop, and most Rn) to ghetto culture.
BTW I cannot stand Eminem. Don't get me started on that walking identity crisis.
I gotta nitpick here....
Heavy bass has been in rap since the beginning.
I can understand not wanting to listen about gang culture, but to be fair, east coast rappers discussed almost the same topics in some form or another. Granted they had the party rhymes too. When the west coast gangster thing really started picking up steam the big deal was for me is that it put out there that if you weren't a gangster you weren't a real rapper.... that kind of soured me... and then the copy cats came...
You do realize that the ghettos of New York are where rap originated for the most part? It came from the "ghetto culture."
I am not sure where you are taking the Eminem argument to...but at face value there have been white rappers as well as black rockers. My issue with him is he is not as fresh as he used to be. You can't be trapped in the past on one end, but his new material lacks "the thing" that his older stuff had. Sadly, lyrically, I think he can still do it...but "musically" his albums have gotten worse over the last few releases.
Sorry man. Can't help how I feel. I loath rap. We've already discussed why rap was different in the early to mid 80s.
There is some positive rap out there. Hopsin is talking about a friend hooked on drugs and wondering what he could of done differently.
I remember the first time you overdosed,
A fuckin overload on meth,
The paramedics saved yo ass,
You was close to ghost,
You never did know which road to go,
It's like you rowed the boat and sailed away and hoped to hit the golden coast,
But you sank like the Titanic,
The incident had left your life damaged,
And that's when I panicked,
You thought you had it locked?
Well you ain't on the right planet,
If you tryna live your life right, plan it,
It's like your mind vanished,
Ain't you'on't even know that,
I wish that we could go back,
Cause it's so sad when I tell jokes and you don't laugh like you used to,
I really hate to stress it but you're strange to mess with,
I keep my distance cause you always got this blank expression,
Like you confused and unaware of your surroundings,
Emotions are gone, and no ones found it,
It's overwhelming,
Yo mama told you that drugs are bad,
But you ain't listen till the fire burned yo ass now you understand!
[Chorus:]
But you always look like you don't know me,
And I'm mad at the world cause the meth took away my homie,
Gimme back my homie, Please come home!
I just wanna chill on the neighborhood block like we used to,
Where'd you go?
I never would've thought my best friend would be gone in the future
(But I was wrong...)
[Verse 2:]
I shoulda stopped you when I had the chance to do so!
But back then I had felt like that was too bold,
You started hanging with new folks,
And made the drug environment your new home,
This world is too cold,
Could I have prevented this?
Who knows,
They convinced you that the **** was cool and it's the hip to do,
Saying it would lift your mood and make you feel invincible,
So you started skippin' school, hangin' with these wicked dudes,
Unaware that when you got older you played the bigger fool!
And it's pitiful, where the **** they at now?
In they mid twenties, passed out inside of a crack house,
Back when you met 'em I had doubts,
They put you on a bad route,
And when you needed they help to pick you up, they fuckin' backed out!
They fuckin' got you, I can't lie,
But now you're brains fried,
You don't even act like you the same guy,
Yo mama told you that drugs are bad,
But you ain't listen till the fire burned yo ass now you understand!
[Chorus:]
But you always look like you don't know me,
And I'm mad at the world cause the meth took away my homie,
Gimme back my homie, Please come home!
I just wanna chill on the neighborhood block like we used to,
Where'd you go?
I never would've thought my best friend would be gone in the future
(But I was wrong...)
[Verse 3:]
I ain't never felt this **** before,
It gets me sore,
I reminisce on us playin' Nintendo 64,
And that Christmas in '97 we got new crispy boards,
And we was doin' Ollie's in my kitchen on the slippy floors,
**** changed, and it happened quick,
But I can't forget that you was the first homie I started rappin' with,
You coulda had half of this back when I had established it,
But now I have to sit and feel bad,
Look at what yo actions did.
But you were so outgoing, and so hysterical,
Seein' you now is just unbearable,
It's terrible,
You shoulda made yo choices wisely,
Fuckin' with Poison Ivy,
Without yo brain, please tell me, what would your point in life be?
It's a struggle to get yo ass to listen,
You really hurt me and the rest of your family with all your bad decisions,
We always told you that drugs are bad,
But you ain't listen till the fire burned yo ass, now you understand...
[Chorus:]
But you always look like you don't know me,
And I'm mad at the world cause the meth took away my homie,
Gimme back my homie, Please come home!
I just wanna chill on the neighborhood block like we used to,
Where'd you go?
I never would've thought my best friend would be gone in the future
(But I was wrong...)
[Hook: Sample from "Crystal Meth"]
Excuse me, do you need a ride?
Looks like you're going downtown yes,
(Yeah, yeah, yeah)
Hop in my ride,
Well hi, I'm Crystal Meth,
I'm your best friend,
(Crystal Meth)
I'm all you need,
(Crystal Meth)
If you wanna succeed,
Hop in my ride,
Well hi, I'm Crystal Meth
The best music, if you really want to talk about the stuff that lives for eternity, is classical that was written over 100 years ago. But if we're talking about Rock, then it's the late 70s and early 80s.
I'm a country boy at heart.. so to me it was the late 80's to early-mid 90's... but went downhill fast after that. (ironically, I'd say that 70's country was going the route that the 2000's went... and would have collapsed if it weren't for that in-between decade range)
If you're talking rock... I'll be willing to take anything between 60's to 80's.
But my preference is still Rock-N-Roll.. so I'll still stick with the late 50's and early 60's... But I'm old fashioned that way :)
Rap? Never really cared for it any generation.
i will be able to be content with whatever decade i'm in's music. if you don't search for anything, and rely on the mainstream radio for quality tunes, you'll probably hear some pretty boring and sh!tty tunage. now that anyone can be a musician and better yet heard, it is tougher and tougher for us scavengers to sort through the crap. but eventually it's worth it, i like to think. it helps to be receptive to a vast spectrum of sound. i can't even begin to think of how many great unknown bands that haven't benefited from technology. and it will always be like that
In my opinion both the 60s (really more like 1963-1972 or so) and the 80s had a lot of good stuff. There were a lot of different styles happening in those decades, and a lot of different sounds. In the 60s rock was still young, and the British Invasion triggered an avalanche of new music.
While the worst of 80s synth-pop and glam metal can color opinions of that decade, it was refreshing to hear new sounds emerge after punk's rise in the mid-to-late 70s eroded musical quality in favor of social rage. While things may have swayed too far to glam metal and the like in the mid-to-late 80s, the rise of grunge in the 90s did nothing for me musically, and I think that to a large extent rock has stagnated. Of course, the good thing about the internet is that if you work at it, you can discover things that you like, and avoid the rap and dance-pop that largely dominates the airwaves today.
