The first republic in Texas was the Green Flag Republic, that existed in 1813. The Gutiérrez-Magee Expedition captured San Antonio from the Spanish Governor and on April 17, the Republican Army of the North drafted a declaration of independence from Spain. My ancestor, Bernardo Gutiérrez de Lara served as the first President of Texas and wrote the first Texas Constitution. He held the title for only a few months. The republic's forces were crushed at the battle of Medina on August 18, 1813. Around 1,300 of the 1,400 republican fighters were killed at the battle.

(05-27-2014 07:17 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  The first republic in Texas was the Green Flag Republic, that existed in 1813. The Gutiérrez-Magee Expedition captured San Antonio from the Spanish Governor and on April 17, the Republican Army of the North drafted a declaration of independence from Spain. My ancestor, Bernardo Gutiérrez de Lara served as the first President of Texas and wrote the first Texas Constitution. He held the title for only a few months. The republic's forces were crushed at the battle of Medina on August 18, 1813. Around 1,300 of the 1,400 republican fighters were killed at the battle.

Great info. Thanks, I didn't know this. But, I also didn't know that there were Mejicanos in the Alamo until I visited it. Textbooks in my day were very Anglo-leaning. Anglo is the word used for those that are not hispanic in Texas, and probably elsewhere, for those that don't know. Like Fit who thinks he's of the Brown race.

Distance from Beaumont, Tx to El Paso = 850 miles (approx)

Distance from Brownsville, Tx to Stratford, Tx = 868 miles

(05-27-2014 04:18 PM)AtlantaEagle Wrote:  

(05-27-2014 02:57 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  Answer to what if Texas would have remained a republic...
The U.S. Govt would have had to bail it out by now.

They could've been like Canada...shielded by the US military force, so they can dabble in socialism & sending mediocre actors south of their border..

And had much better health care than now...

(05-27-2014 07:25 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  

(05-27-2014 07:17 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  The first republic in Texas was the Green Flag Republic, that existed in 1813. The Gutiérrez-Magee Expedition captured San Antonio from the Spanish Governor and on April 17, the Republican Army of the North drafted a declaration of independence from Spain. My ancestor, Bernardo Gutiérrez de Lara served as the first President of Texas and wrote the first Texas Constitution. He held the title for only a few months. The republic's forces were crushed at the battle of Medina on August 18, 1813. Around 1,300 of the 1,400 republican fighters were killed at the battle.

Great info. Thanks, I didn't know this. But, I also didn't know that there were Mejicanos in the Alamo until I visited it. Textbooks in my day were very Anglo-leaning. Anglo is the word used for those that are not hispanic in Texas, and probably elsewhere, for those that don't know. Like Fit who thinks he's of the Brown race.

The hispanics that fought for Texas at the Alamo were Tejanos. Tejanos were originally the Spanish ranchers that settled around San Antonio, Nacogdoches, and the Rio Grand valley north of the river. Many chose to fight with the Anglos, because they preferred Texas be a free independent country, rather then subservient to rule from Mexico City. Today any hispanic in Texas is considered a Tejano, though few use the term. My family moved to present day Texas in 1749. I like to research Texas history, especially the Spanish Colonial period.

Not to trivialize any historical significance, but south of Houston near the Gulf, were the biggest, most aggressive bloodthirsty mosquitoes I ever saw/dealt with - Ouch!
Texans must be some hardy folks who can deal with 'em on a daily basis in the Summer.

(05-27-2014 08:04 PM)Green Menace Wrote:  Distance from Beaumont, Tx to El Paso = 850 miles (approx)

Distance from Brownsville, Tx to Stratford, Tx = 868 miles

I think much of the conference can better relate to the fact that it is farther from Houston to El Paso then it is from Atlanta to Houston.

Texas is a *big* place - even if a lot of that trip to El Paso is miles and miles of nothing but miles and miles.

(05-27-2014 09:26 PM)AtlantaEagle Wrote:  Not to trivialize any historical significance, but south of Houston near the Gulf, were the biggest, most aggressive bloodthirsty mosquitoes I ever saw/dealt with - Ouch!
Texans must be some hardy folks who can deal with 'em on a daily basis in the Summer.

Aggressive? YES! And there are tons upon tons upon tons of 'em!! Brazoria County even has a festival every year called The Great Texas Mosquito Festival. I lived down in that county for a few years (got my teaching start down there), and I'm not exaggerating when I say that when I arrived at school every morning, there was always a cloud of over a hundred mosquitoes flying around the front door. Had to open and close that door quickly!! I coached middle school sports down there while teaching math, and football and track seasons were brutal because of the amount of time spent outdoors with those pesky things.

However, their size is exaggerated by many. I say that because I've also been to Minnesota, and hiked some of the trails along Lake Superior and up into Canada, and Minnesota's mosquitoes are MONSTERS. There's even a running joke in Minnesota that their state bird is the mosquito. The first time I saw one, I wasn't even sure what I was looking at. The good thing about Minnesota mosquitoes is that they're so huge that you can feel it when they land on you. You can't in Texas. You can walk outside in Brazoria County and have 5 mosquitoes sitting on you after just a half-minute and not even realize it.

http://www.mosquitofestival.com/

Map with the four natural regions of Texas.

http://teachersites.schoolworld.com/webp...a03bad.pdf

(05-27-2014 09:26 PM)AtlantaEagle Wrote:  Not to trivialize any historical significance, but south of Houston near the Gulf, were the biggest, most aggressive bloodthirsty mosquitoes I ever saw/dealt with - Ouch!
Texans must be some hardy folks who can deal with 'em on a daily basis in the Summer.

Texas - where everything bites, stings, or scratches you.
Mosquitos, Fireants, scorpions, snakes, spiders, wild dogs, wild pigs, sharks, alligators, chupacabras

We might as well be Australia.

(05-27-2014 10:49 PM)MG61 Wrote:  Map with the four natural regions of Texas.

http://teachersites.schoolworld.com/webp...a03bad.pdf

ahhh...information out of our 7th grade texas history textbook

(05-28-2014 11:56 AM)NTTHOR Wrote:  

(05-27-2014 10:49 PM)MG61 Wrote:  Map with the four natural regions of Texas.

http://teachersites.schoolworld.com/webp...a03bad.pdf

ahhh...information out of our 7th grade texas history textbook

Interesting that we have city named Grand Prairie, but it is not in the Grand Prairie subregion.

(05-28-2014 11:56 AM)NTTHOR Wrote:  

(05-27-2014 10:49 PM)MG61 Wrote:  Map with the four natural regions of Texas.

http://teachersites.schoolworld.com/webp...a03bad.pdf

ahhh...information out of our 7th grade texas history textbook

Yep. Hope you understand.

(05-28-2014 12:20 PM)MG61 Wrote:  

(05-28-2014 11:56 AM)NTTHOR Wrote:  

(05-27-2014 10:49 PM)MG61 Wrote:  Map with the four natural regions of Texas.

http://teachersites.schoolworld.com/webp...a03bad.pdf

ahhh...information out of our 7th grade texas history textbook

Yep. Hope you understand.

we teach that the first six weeks of the year along with some famous texans...then move on to the native americans...good times!

I was researching Cortez's voyage and the people on board his ships and I found my family's name in the manifest. I've wondered whether that person was my ancestor since then. I guess I could research it in the catholic censuses as the padres kept very good records. I also think my ancestors were Sephardic Jews because my father was very Jewish looking (by the pictures of Jews in WWII).

Here's a picture of a Texas mosquito:


https://www.google.com/search?q=dragonfl...95&bih=748

(05-25-2014 06:50 PM)MG61 Wrote:  Slow day and CUSA does have four (4) schools from Texas. Just some general info that some may find interesting.

1. There is truth to the slogan "Texas, a whole other country". Texas is the only state that was actually a separate nation (1836-1845)before joining the Union.

2. The Texas economy was ranked at 14th in the world in 2009, just below Russian at #13 and ahead of Australia at #15.

3. Texas has 254 counties; far more than any other state.

4. Texarkana, Texas is closer to Chicago than to El Paso, Texas. El Paso is closer to Los Angeles than it is to Texarkana.

5. Texas has more that it's share of "carpet baggers", but native Texans and long term residents have a fierce pride in the State.

The best thing about Texas: Billy Joe Shaver, Kris Kristofferson, Willie Nelson, Buddy Holly, Townes Van Zant, Guy Clark and Robert Earl Keen.

(05-28-2014 02:12 PM)PaulDel2 Wrote:  

(05-25-2014 06:50 PM)MG61 Wrote:  Slow day and CUSA does have four (4) schools from Texas. Just some general info that some may find interesting.

1. There is truth to the slogan "Texas, a whole other country". Texas is the only state that was actually a separate nation (1836-1845)before joining the Union.

2. The Texas economy was ranked at 14th in the world in 2009, just below Russian at #13 and ahead of Australia at #15.

3. Texas has 254 counties; far more than any other state.

4. Texarkana, Texas is closer to Chicago than to El Paso, Texas. El Paso is closer to Los Angeles than it is to Texarkana.

5. Texas has more that it's share of "carpet baggers", but native Texans and long term residents have a fierce pride in the State.

The best thing about Texas: Billy Joe Shaver, Kris Kristofferson, Willie Nelson, Buddy Holly, Townes Van Zant, Guy Clark and Robert Earl Keen.

Don't forget Tommy Lee Jones.

(05-27-2014 02:57 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  Answer to what if Texas would have remained a republic...

The U.S. Govt would have had to bail it out by now.

Wrong. Texas has oil. The US would've invaded instead.

For some really good reading try 'Empire of the Summer Moon'. A history of the Comanche and the first whites to arrive. Very good root history of Texas. The Comanche were the baddest native American tribe by a long shot. Masters of their place and time.