Simple temperature check.

Option 1) North-South

North: UConn, Cinci, Memphis, ECU, Navy, Temple
South: Houston, SMU, UCF, USF, Tulane, Tulsa




Option 2) East-West

East: UConn, USF, UCF, ECU, Navy, Temple
West: Houston, SMU, Cinci, Tulane, Tulsa, Memphis



Option 3) I prefer no divisions

Get off my lawn and turn that music down!

I think CalallanStang touched on something that would work wonderfully, and make everyone (if not perfectly happy) content. If the NCAA championship deregulation occurs, do no divisions but declare three permanent rivals for each team, then cycle through the other 8 teams regularly (alternating home and away each year)

Team rivals
• Cincinnati: Memphis, UConn, Temple
• UConn: Temple, Cincinnati, Navy
• ECU: UCF, Navy, Temple
• Houston: Tulsa, Tulane, SMU
• Memphis: UCF, Cincinnati, South Florida
• Navy: ECU, UConn, SMU
• Temple: ECU, Cincinnati, UConn
• Tulsa: Tulane, Houston, SMU
• Tulane: Houston, Tulsa, SMU
• SMU: Navy, Tulsa, Houston
• South Florida: UCF, Tulane, Memphis
• UCF: South Florida, ECU, Memphis
  

Option 2

East- West produces better expansion options.

East-West places a burden on Cincinnati. I imagine UC will fight to be included with either the Florida schools or the northeastern schools. I don't believe east-west is a bad choice but it is still behind the north-south arrangement.

At the end of the day it comes down to institutional identity and mission. I just can't see UC agreeing to be placed with the three southern private schools when the school craves exposure in major markets in the east. It is one of the reasons I am not a huge fan of UC joining the Big XII; however, the money talks in that situation.

When I looked at the division alignments, the north-south format won out because it placed the least amount of burdens on every possible school. The biggest issues where ECU wasn't playing UCF every season, Memphis has to travel a bit more if placed in that division, and the incorrect assumption about Texas and Florida exposure.

If I was Aresco, I would do everything in my power to make sure Cincinnati and UConn do not carry a burden with them in the divisional alignment scheme. Those two schools were hurt the most due the exodus of regional rivals. Cincinnati lost Pitt, Louisville, and WVU while UConn lost Rutgers and Syracuse.

I picked E/W but I can live with either. The only thing I can't live with, is USF, as an eastern team, being placed in a western division.

In case anyone was curious about travel....

East-West (Version 1)

School/Miles Traveled:

Uconn -3702
Temple - 2804
Navy - 2609
ECU - 2707
UCF - 3862
USF - 3978
Cinci - 4015
Memphis - 2300
Tulane - 2707
Tulsa - 2550
SMU - 2390
Houston - 2698

East Total Miles - 19662
West Total Miles - 16660
Conference Total Miles - 36,322

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East-West (Version 2)

Uconn -3219
Temple - 2335
Navy - 2200
ECU - 2659
UCF - 4675
USF - 4786
Cinci - 3382
Memphis - 2656
Tulane - 2561
Tulsa - 3013
SMU - 2556
Houston - 2630

East Total Miles - 18470
West Total Miles - 18202
Total Miles - 36,672

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North-South

Uconn - 3249
Temple - 2155
Navy - 2233
ECU - 2795
UCF - 3959
USF - 4033
Cinci - 2965
Memphis - 4486
Tulane - 2805
Tulsa - 3799
SMU - 2537
Houston - 3025

North Total Miles - 17883
South Total Miles - 20158
Total Miles - 38041

(05-25-2014 02:52 PM)ElectricCoogaloo Wrote:  In case anyone was curious about travel....

East-West (Version 1)

School/Miles Traveled:

Uconn -3702
Temple - 2804
Navy - 2609
ECU - 2707
UCF - 3862
USF - 3978
Cinci - 4015
Memphis - 2300
Tulane - 2707
Tulsa - 2550
SMU - 2390
Houston - 2698

East Total Miles - 19662
West Total Miles - 16660
Conference Total Miles - 36,322

____________

East-West (Version 2)

Uconn -3219
Temple - 2335
Navy - 2200
ECU - 2659
UCF - 4675
USF - 4786
Cinci - 3382
Memphis - 2656
Tulane - 2561
Tulsa - 3013
SMU - 2556
Houston - 2630

East Total Miles - 18470
West Total Miles - 18202
Total Miles - 36,672

____________

North-South

Uconn - 3249
Temple - 2155
Navy - 2233
ECU - 2795
UCF - 3959
USF - 4033
Cinci - 2965
Memphis - 4486
Tulane - 2805
Tulsa - 3799
SMU - 2537
Houston - 3025

North Total Miles - 17883
South Total Miles - 20158
Total Miles - 38041

Not to mention that the balance of power in a North/South is horrendous. The south would be way harder to win that the north.... It'd be like the old big 12 when every year it was Kansas, Nebraska, Mizzou, & Colorado going at it.... then the oklahoma and texas schools in the south.... The north almost NEVER won.

For north/south and east/west, please note:
Tulsa is north of Memphis.
Memphis is west of New Orleans

Just looking at the map, there are few 2/3 team clusters that it makes sense to keep together. But, otherwise, it doesn't seem to matter.

(05-25-2014 10:29 AM)ElectricCoogaloo Wrote:  Simple temperature check.

Option 1) North-South

North: UConn, Cinci, Memphis, ECU, Navy, Temple
South: Houston, SMU, UCF, USF, Tulane, Tulsa




Option 2) East-West

East: UConn, USF, UCF, ECU, Navy, Temple
West: Houston, SMU, Cinci, Tulane, Tulsa, Memphis



Option 3) I prefer no divisions

Get off my lawn and turn that music down!

Prefer the east / west but Navy to the west and Cinn to the east may be considered. Cinn in the west balances the larger schools though.

East: UConn, Temple, ECU, UCF, USF, Navy, - really dumps on Navy with most of the larger schools in that division though Navy might be able to play UConn, Temple, and ECU even up so they might survive with a decent record every year with at least one small private a year from the west on it's schedule. At best Navy is looking at 7 & 5 and 8 & 4 seasons with ND on board every year. 2 to 3 east wins, 2 to 3 west wins, at worst a split between Army and Air Force and a win against a weak OOC opponent when they don't schedule Rutgers who is a regular opponent on their schedule.

West: Cinn, Houston, Memphis - small privates Tulane, SMU, Tulsa.

If the AAC can find a favorable geographical zipper to place 4 of the larger universities and 2 of the smaller privates in each division for FB it might get a better balance in each division.

it's no brainer, group of schools in north east, group schools in southwest
outliners are Fla schools, USF gets choice & goes north, UCF goes south.
travel for both Fla schools would be the same

I'd like 1 permanent cross division rival (Navy for ECU) and this alignment...

East = UCF, USF, ECU, Cincy, Temple, UConn
West = Navy, SMU, Tulane, Tulsa, Houston, Memphis

Navy ends up in a division with like institutions SMU, Tulane and Tulsa plus the West gets a good attendance and TV draw in Navy. Please don't over complicate this by saying Navy can't be in the "west division" because of geography.

(05-26-2014 10:09 AM)templefootballfan Wrote:  it's no brainer, group of schools in north east, group schools in southwest
outliners are Fla schools, USF gets choice & goes north, UCF goes south.
travel for both Fla schools would be the same

I tend to agree with this.

I strongly prefer East West. It makes the most geographic sense. If Cincinnati wants to go East, I hope Navy, UCF or USF is agreeable to take their place in the West.

There is absolutely no way that Cincinnati will be paired with Tulane, Tulsa, SMU, Houston, and Memphis.

(05-25-2014 01:03 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  I think CalallanStang touched on something that would work wonderfully, and make everyone (if not perfectly happy) content. If the NCAA championship deregulation occurs, do no divisions but declare three permanent rivals for each team, then cycle through the other 8 teams regularly (alternating home and away each year)

Team rivals
• Cincinnati: Memphis, UConn, Temple
• UConn: Temple, Cincinnati, Navy
• ECU: UCF, Navy, Temple
• Houston: Tulsa, Tulane, SMU
• Memphis: UCF, Cincinnati, South Florida
• Navy: ECU, UConn, SMU
• Temple: ECU, Cincinnati, UConn
• Tulsa: Tulane, Houston, SMU
• Tulane: Houston, Tulsa, SMU
• SMU: Navy, Tulsa, Houston
• South Florida: UCF, Tulane, Memphis
• UCF: South Florida, ECU, Memphis
  

This is the best option, with some tweaking of the permanent opponents.

(05-26-2014 11:02 AM)Tulsafanzz Wrote:  I strongly prefer East West. It makes the most geographic sense. If Cincinnati wants to go East, I hope Navy, UCF or USF is agreeable to take their place in the West.

No offense to those western schools, but I don't think any of Cincy/UCF/USF would be agreeable to that. Navy might not care.

(05-25-2014 01:03 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  I think CalallanStang touched on something that would work wonderfully, and make everyone (if not perfectly happy) content. If the NCAA championship deregulation occurs, do no divisions but declare three permanent rivals for each team, then cycle through the other 8 teams regularly (alternating home and away each year)

Team rivals
• Cincinnati: Memphis, UConn, Temple
• UConn: Temple, Cincinnati, Navy
• ECU: UCF, Navy, Temple
• Houston: Tulsa, Tulane, SMU
• Memphis: UCF, Cincinnati, South Florida
• Navy: ECU, UConn, SMU
• Temple: ECU, Cincinnati, UConn
• Tulsa: Tulane, Houston, SMU
• Tulane: Houston, Tulsa, SMU
• SMU: Navy, Tulsa, Houston
• South Florida: UCF, Tulane, Memphis
• UCF: South Florida, ECU, Memphis
  

This sounds like a good idea to me.

(05-26-2014 10:09 AM)templefootballfan Wrote:  it's no brainer, group of schools in north east, group schools in southwest
outliners are Fla schools, USF gets choice & goes north, UCF goes south.
travel for both Fla schools would be the same

The trouble with splitting up the Floridas is then you need permanent opponents and screws up interdivisional rotations.

Why would you put navy in the west with mostly land-locked teams???? There is next to no navy presence in tulsa/Memphis/Dallas you don't even meet any navy vets in tulsa really. We wouldn't have any travel fans. They should be near places where there are actual bases.

In regards to North/South, it looks as if Tulsa is north of both ECU & Memphis. HERE WE COME UCONN!!!! lol ...

I'm joking... But really, it's simple Cincy goes west. It's not a big deal. There smack in the middle of everybody so going east or west won't matter much and it will balance power.


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(05-26-2014 12:33 PM)SMUstang Wrote:  

(05-25-2014 01:03 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  I think CalallanStang touched on something that would work wonderfully, and make everyone (if not perfectly happy) content. If the NCAA championship deregulation occurs, do no divisions but declare three permanent rivals for each team, then cycle through the other 8 teams regularly (alternating home and away each year)

Team rivals
• Cincinnati: Memphis, UConn, Temple
• UConn: Temple, Cincinnati, Navy
• ECU: UCF, Navy, Temple
• Houston: Tulsa, Tulane, SMU
• Memphis: UCF, Cincinnati, South Florida
• Navy: ECU, UConn, SMU
• Temple: ECU, Cincinnati, UConn
• Tulsa: Tulane, Houston, SMU
• Tulane: Houston, Tulsa, SMU
• SMU: Navy, Tulsa, Houston
• South Florida: UCF, Tulane, Memphis
• UCF: South Florida, ECU, Memphis
  

This sounds like a good idea to me.

Except it's not consistent, such as SMU being a permanent opponent of Tulane, but not vice versa. I saw another one drawn up somewhere that fit together right.

(05-26-2014 04:29 PM)DrBox Wrote:  

(05-26-2014 12:33 PM)SMUstang Wrote:  

(05-25-2014 01:03 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  I think CalallanStang touched on something that would work wonderfully, and make everyone (if not perfectly happy) content. If the NCAA championship deregulation occurs, do no divisions but declare three permanent rivals for each team, then cycle through the other 8 teams regularly (alternating home and away each year)

Team rivals
• Cincinnati: Memphis, UConn, Temple
• UConn: Temple, Cincinnati, Navy
• ECU: UCF, Navy, Temple
• Houston: Tulsa, Tulane, SMU
• Memphis: UCF, Cincinnati, South Florida
• Navy: ECU, UConn, SMU
• Temple: ECU, Cincinnati, UConn
• Tulsa: Tulane, Houston, SMU
• Tulane: Houston, Tulsa, SMU
• SMU: Navy, Tulsa, Houston
• South Florida: UCF, Tulane, Memphis
• UCF: South Florida, ECU, Memphis
  

This sounds like a good idea to me.

Except it's not consistent, such as SMU being a permanent opponent of Tulane, but not vice versa. I saw another one drawn up somewhere that fit together right.

DrBox - I'd like to see it.