(05-26-2014 07:41 AM)Pastner4Prez Wrote:  

(05-25-2014 11:28 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  It looked like Pastner made certain promises that he felt he needed to keep thus we had 3 of the 4 guards on the floor at all times chewing up minutes.

That decision not only back fired this year it was detrimental to the development of King, Iverson, and Wilson which will likely cost us some next year.

Logically, if you look at next season it's a rebuilding year and so we should expect 4-5 conference losses along with 4-5 ooc losses. This will give us roughly the same record we had this year and probably an 8-10 seed in the tournament. The only problem here is that this is year 6 for Pastner and he never had that big run with the last group to build up some goodwill.

Now, if he hires a certain person as his third assistant and locks down those 3-4 top shelf recruits for the future that's going to help him a lot.

Of course, next year's team could also come out and be his first team to actually exceed pre-season expectations. They really could and if they do that would be huge for JP.

I hope they come together and play lights out from the get-go.

Pastner exceeded expectations in YR 1

There were no expectations his first year. Elliot Williams transferred in and that was huge. So, in the sense that we expected nothing, yes his first team exceeded that.

(05-26-2014 07:41 AM)Pastner4Prez Wrote:  

(05-25-2014 11:28 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  It looked like Pastner made certain promises that he felt he needed to keep thus we had 3 of the 4 guards on the floor at all times chewing up minutes.

That decision not only back fired this year it was detrimental to the development of King, Iverson, and Wilson which will likely cost us some next year.

Logically, if you look at next season it's a rebuilding year and so we should expect 4-5 conference losses along with 4-5 ooc losses. This will give us roughly the same record we had this year and probably an 8-10 seed in the tournament. The only problem here is that this is year 6 for Pastner and he never had that big run with the last group to build up some goodwill.

Now, if he hires a certain person as his third assistant and locks down those 3-4 top shelf recruits for the future that's going to help him a lot.

Of course, next year's team could also come out and be his first team to actually exceed pre-season expectations. They really could and if they do that would be huge for JP.

I hope they come together and play lights out from the get-go.

Pastner exceeded expectations in YR 1

How do you figure that?

(05-26-2014 08:21 AM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(05-26-2014 07:41 AM)Pastner4Prez Wrote:  

(05-25-2014 11:28 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  It looked like Pastner made certain promises that he felt he needed to keep thus we had 3 of the 4 guards on the floor at all times chewing up minutes.

That decision not only back fired this year it was detrimental to the development of King, Iverson, and Wilson which will likely cost us some next year.

Logically, if you look at next season it's a rebuilding year and so we should expect 4-5 conference losses along with 4-5 ooc losses. This will give us roughly the same record we had this year and probably an 8-10 seed in the tournament. The only problem here is that this is year 6 for Pastner and he never had that big run with the last group to build up some goodwill.

Now, if he hires a certain person as his third assistant and locks down those 3-4 top shelf recruits for the future that's going to help him a lot.

Of course, next year's team could also come out and be his first team to actually exceed pre-season expectations. They really could and if they do that would be huge for JP.

I hope they come together and play lights out from the get-go.

Pastner exceeded expectations in YR 1

How do you figure that?

Here we go. How do you NOT figure that?
If you don't, your expectations were way overblown.

(05-26-2014 08:31 AM)Pastnerized Wrote:  Here we go. How do you NOT figure that?
If you don't, your expectations were way overblown.

I'm not saying he did poorly, but the above poster said he EXCEEDED expectations. We lost in the second round of the NIT that season.

(05-26-2014 08:46 AM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(05-26-2014 08:31 AM)Pastnerized Wrote:  Here we go. How do you NOT figure that?
If you don't, your expectations were way overblown.

I'm not saying he did poorly, but the above poster said he EXCEEDED expectations. We lost in the second round of the NIT that season.

Success cannot simply be measured by postseason results. That team was flawed in a great many ways, and they nearly made the tourney. I think expectations were exceeded.

(05-26-2014 09:44 AM)cwise Wrote:  

(05-26-2014 08:46 AM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(05-26-2014 08:31 AM)Pastnerized Wrote:  Here we go. How do you NOT figure that?
If you don't, your expectations were way overblown.

I'm not saying he did poorly, but the above poster said he EXCEEDED expectations. We lost in the second round of the NIT that season.

Success cannot simply be measured by postseason results. That team was flawed in a great many ways, and they nearly made the tourney. I think expectations were exceeded.

All of us who attended that NIT game at the forum agree with you. We just about blew the top of the Forum.

(05-26-2014 09:44 AM)cwise Wrote:  

(05-26-2014 08:46 AM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(05-26-2014 08:31 AM)Pastnerized Wrote:  Here we go. How do you NOT figure that?
If you don't, your expectations were way overblown.

I'm not saying he did poorly, but the above poster said he EXCEEDED expectations. We lost in the second round of the NIT that season.

Success cannot simply be measured by postseason results. That team was flawed in a great many ways, and they nearly made the tourney. I think expectations were exceeded.

NEARLY made the tournament? We weren't even on most "last 4 out" lists. That team was underwhelming, and lost to a really, really, really bad Houston team to slam the door on any chance at the NCAAs.

The only way expectations were exceeded is if you expected a losing season, and we had too many 4 star recruits on the roster for that to be reasonable.

h

(05-26-2014 09:44 AM)cwise Wrote:  

(05-26-2014 08:46 AM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(05-26-2014 08:31 AM)Pastnerized Wrote:  Here we go. How do you NOT figure that?
If you don't, your expectations were way overblown.

I'm not saying he did poorly, but the above poster said he EXCEEDED expectations. We lost in the second round of the NIT that season.

Success cannot simply be measured by postseason results. That team was flawed in a great many ways, and they nearly made the tourney. I think expectations were exceeded.

Our best win that year was UAB..

Now I don't think many expected much worse. When I look at our schedule that year there are maybe 1 or 2 games that we won that I would have expected us to lose when the season started...But we lost 1-2 that I would have expected us to win as well.

(05-26-2014 10:56 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  h

(05-26-2014 09:44 AM)cwise Wrote:  

(05-26-2014 08:46 AM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(05-26-2014 08:31 AM)Pastnerized Wrote:  Here we go. How do you NOT figure that?
If you don't, your expectations were way overblown.

I'm not saying he did poorly, but the above poster said he EXCEEDED expectations. We lost in the second round of the NIT that season.

Success cannot simply be measured by postseason results. That team was flawed in a great many ways, and they nearly made the tourney. I think expectations were exceeded.

Our best win that year was UAB..

Now I don't think many expected much worse.

It's nice that we are in sync with today's millions of Americans....standing in the graveyard of Tiger expectations and Memoriating.

To Memorial Day and to all those who served our country-- some at the cost of their 'mental' well being..some at the cost of their life.

(05-26-2014 10:32 AM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(05-26-2014 09:44 AM)cwise Wrote:  

(05-26-2014 08:46 AM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(05-26-2014 08:31 AM)Pastnerized Wrote:  Here we go. How do you NOT figure that?
If you don't, your expectations were way overblown.

I'm not saying he did poorly, but the above poster said he EXCEEDED expectations. We lost in the second round of the NIT that season.

Success cannot simply be measured by postseason results. That team was flawed in a great many ways, and they nearly made the tourney. I think expectations were exceeded.

All of us who attended that NIT game at the forum agree with you. We just about blew the top of the Forum.

THAT was a great game! SPOOOOON!

(05-26-2014 11:37 AM)holyterror Wrote:  

(05-26-2014 10:32 AM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(05-26-2014 09:44 AM)cwise Wrote:  

(05-26-2014 08:46 AM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(05-26-2014 08:31 AM)Pastnerized Wrote:  Here we go. How do you NOT figure that?
If you don't, your expectations were way overblown.

I'm not saying he did poorly, but the above poster said he EXCEEDED expectations. We lost in the second round of the NIT that season.

Success cannot simply be measured by postseason results. That team was flawed in a great many ways, and they nearly made the tourney. I think expectations were exceeded.

All of us who attended that NIT game at the forum agree with you. We just about blew the top of the Forum.

THAT was a great game! SPOOOOON!

I watch that game while on a short vacation. I think we disturbed guests with our cheers upon Spoon's heroics.

(05-26-2014 12:36 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(05-26-2014 11:37 AM)holyterror Wrote:  

(05-26-2014 10:32 AM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(05-26-2014 09:44 AM)cwise Wrote:  

(05-26-2014 08:46 AM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  I'm not saying he did poorly, but the above poster said he EXCEEDED expectations. We lost in the second round of the NIT that season.

Success cannot simply be measured by postseason results. That team was flawed in a great many ways, and they nearly made the tourney. I think expectations were exceeded.

All of us who attended that NIT game at the forum agree with you. We just about blew the top of the Forum.

THAT was a great game! SPOOOOON!

I watch that game while on a short vacation. I think we disturbed guests with our cheers upon Spoon's heroics.

I was sitting behind the basket watching the ball after Spoon put it up. An eternity. To this day, I believe everyone in the Forum, especially those of us behind the basket, made that ball go back in the cylinder and through the net. lol

What was the starting lineup that year?

(05-26-2014 08:37 PM)ItsDude Wrote:  What was the starting lineup that year?

I'm not sure what year you mean but CJP's first year is how I'm taking it.
Let's see...Niles left right at the end.

Here's who started for the St John's game. I think you'll be surprised. I was.

http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=300760235

Without spoon we lose that one and it might not be close.

Elliot was playing hurt the latter part of a season. A healthy Elloit may have helped us make a deeper NIT run.

(05-27-2014 06:24 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Elliot was playing hurt the latter part of a season. A healthy Elloit may have helped us make a deeper NIT run.

Knee sprain, wasn't it? Elliot brought it every game. Glad to see him carving his niche in the NBA.

The guy I rooted hardest for in that group was Will Coleman. Not a great BB IQ, not a really skilled player, but a super nice guy. My kid idolized him and he talked to my kid after a game and gave him a towel as a souvenir.

(05-27-2014 07:12 AM)holyterror Wrote:  

(05-27-2014 06:24 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Elliot was playing hurt the latter part of a season. A healthy Elloit may have helped us make a deeper NIT run.

Knee sprain, wasn't it? Elliot brought it every game. Glad to see him carving his niche in the NBA.

The guy I rooted hardest for in that group was Will Coleman. Not a great BB IQ, not a really skilled player, but a super nice guy. My kid idolized him and he talked to my kid after a game and gave him a towel as a souvenir.

Our front court would've been in deep doo-doo if Will hadn't honored his commitment. He got a lot of flack from the fair-weather fans around here ("Just wait til Tarik Black gets here, Coleman won't see the floor.") but he was a tough player.

(05-26-2014 09:17 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(05-26-2014 08:37 PM)ItsDude Wrote:  What was the starting lineup that year?

I'm not sure what year you mean but CJP's first year is how I'm taking it.
Let's see...Niles left right at the end.

Here's who started for the St John's game. I think you'll be surprised. I was.

http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=300760235

Wow, just wow. I love the Tigers as much as anyone, but anyone who could look at that roster and not be impressed we were at least in the conversation for an NCAA bubble spot is analyzing though blue colored glasses.

The roster was severely flawed - no inside game, more spot/complimentary players verses players who would expected to play major minutes on a high-major team. Thank goodness Elliot Williams transferred in. Now, if only Shawn Taggert had stayed and Latavious Williams had decided to stick it out...

(05-27-2014 09:05 AM)airric2255 Wrote:  

(05-26-2014 09:17 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(05-26-2014 08:37 PM)ItsDude Wrote:  What was the starting lineup that year?

I'm not sure what year you mean but CJP's first year is how I'm taking it.
Let's see...Niles left right at the end.

Here's who started for the St John's game. I think you'll be surprised. I was.

http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=300760235

Wow, just wow. I love the Tigers as much as anyone, but anyone who could look at that roster and not be impressed we were at least in the conversation for an NCAA bubble spot is analyzing though blue colored glasses.

The roster was severely flawed - no inside game, more spot/complimentary players verses players who would expected to play major minutes on a high-major team. Thank goodness Elliot Williams transferred in. Now, if only Shawn Taggert had stayed and Latavious Williams had decided to stick it out...

yea...we were so thin. Niles gone. Eliot hurt. Spoon stepped up so big.

The Johnnies' coach got fired right after the game.