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Priests and the Bible approve of abortions
No matter what side of the fence you're on with this issue, this goes too far.

Quote:Abortion giant Planned Parenthood is using God to target paying customers for abortion.

In a Pastoral Letter to Patients, Planned Parenthood tells women and girls in a crisis pregnancy that there is nothing in the scriptures that says abortion is wrong and that many clergy think abortion is okay:

The decision to have an abortion is personal. Though your reasons may be complicated and private, you’re not alone. As religious leaders from a number of religious traditions, we’re here to support you in your decision.

Many people wrongly assume that all religious leaders disapprove of abortion. The truth is that abortion is not even mentioned in the Scriptures—Jewish or Christian—and there are clergy and people of faith from all denominations who support women making this complex decision.

The beliefs of each person are deserving of respect, and each person deserves care and compassion,
No one should be allowed to force their faith teachings on anyone else.

We believe this decision is yours, made with your doctor and anyone else you choose to bring into the conversation, such as a spouse, partner, parent, or clergy person.”

[Image: planned-parenthood-pastoral-letter-pg-1.jpg]

The letter goes on to tell the FUTURE PAYING ABORTION CUSTOMER that, “God loves you and is with you no matter what you decide. You can find strength, understanding, and comfort in that love.”
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2 Peter 2:1
But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction.
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RE: Priests and the Bible approve of abortions
So who's claiming there is no-one who is actually "pro-abortion"?

Anyway, this has been their tack for a couple of years now

http://www.plannedparenthood.org/srpp/fi...ochure.pdf
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(05-23-2014 03:03 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  2 Peter 2:1
But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction.

this.
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RE: Priests and the Bible approve of abortions
I wonder if Planned Parenthood ever read the Sixth Commandment.

Or Exodus 20:13

tl;dr version - Thou shalt not kill.
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(05-23-2014 03:03 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  2 Peter 2:1
But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction.

Excellent response 04-clap2
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Planned Parenthood supports a woman's right to choose. When she calls to schedule an abortion, she can choose whether to have a morning or afternoon appointment.
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RE: Priests and the Bible approve of abortions
(05-23-2014 03:03 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  2 Peter 2:1
But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction.

Bingo
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(05-23-2014 04:11 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  I wonder if Planned Parenthood ever read the Sixth Commandment.

Or Exodus 20:13

tl;dr version - Thou shalt not kill.

Liberals say Old Testament doesn't count, that being the case I guess many clergy approve of murder of adults too.
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(05-24-2014 09:25 AM)WPDAWG08 Wrote:  [Image: Bnr_DNg_DIUAAxu3x.jpg]

Some people are stupid.

Others are murdering scum.

Guess some can be both.
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(05-24-2014 09:25 AM)WPDAWG08 Wrote:  [Image: Bnr_DNg_DIUAAxu3x.jpg]

Something inaccurate from Facebook, what a shock.
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RE: Priests and the Bible approve of abortions
Just a few Christian denominations' position on the subject of abortion to make clear the lie of Planned Parenthood....

Quote:The Catholic Church has always condemned abortion as a grave evil. Christian writers from the first-century author of the Didache to Pope John Paul II in his encyclical Evangelium Vitae ("The Gospel of Life") have maintained that the Bible forbids abortion, just as it forbids murder. This tract will provide some examples of this consistent witness from the writings of the Fathers of the Church...Thus, in 1995 Pope John Paul II declared that the Church’s teaching on abortion "is unchanged and unchangeable. Therefore, by the authority which Christ conferred upon Peter and his successors . . . I declare that direct abortion, that is, abortion willed as an end or as a means, always constitutes a grave moral disorder, since it is the deliberate killing of an innocent human being. This doctrine is based upon the natural law and upon the written word of God, is transmitted by the Church’s tradition and taught by the ordinary and universal magisterium. No circumstance, no purpose, no law whatsoever can ever make licit an act which is intrinsically illicit, since it is contrary to the law of God which is written in every human heart, knowable by reason itself, and proclaimed by the Church" (Evangelium Vitae 62).
http://www.catholic.com/tracts/abortion

Quote:Resolution On Abortion
Kansas City, Missouri - 1984

WHEREAS, The Southern Baptist Convention, meeting in New Orleans in June 1982, clearly stated its opposition to abortion and called upon Southern Baptists to work for appropriate legislation and/or constitutional amendment which will prohibit abortions except to save the physical life of the mother; and

WHEREAS, In addition to legislative remedies for this national sin, it is incumbent that we encourage the woman who is considering abortion to think seriously about the grave significance of such action by presenting information to her about the unborn child in her womb, who is a living individual human being, and encourage her to consider alternatives to abortion; and

WHEREAS, Christlike love requires that such alternatives be made available.

Therefore, be it RESOLVED, That the Southern Baptist Convention meeting in Kansas City, Missouri, June 12-14, 1984, encourage all of its institutions, cooperating churches, and members to work diligently to provide counseling, housing, and adoption placement services for unwed mothers with the specific intent of bringing them into a relationship with Jesus Christ and/or a sense of Christian responsibility; and

Be it further RESOLVED, That we deplore the practice of performing abortions, as well as dispensing to minors without parental consent or even notification, contraceptive medications which have potentially dangerous side effects, and deplore also the use of tax funds for such activities; and

Be it further RESOLVED, That we call upon all Southern Baptists to renew their commitment to support and work for legislation and/or constitutional amendment which will prohibit abortion except to save the physical life of the mother; and

Be it further RESOLVED, That we encourage Southern Baptists to inquire whether or not their physicians perform abortions on demand or give referrals for abortions, and that we commend those of the medical profession who abstain from performing abortions or making abortion referrals; and

Be it finally RESOLVED, That we urge our agencies and institutions to provide leadership for our cooperating churches and members, by preparing literature to take a clear and strong stand against abortion, and to inform and motivate our members to action to eliminate abortion on demand.
http://www.sbc.net/resolutions/21

Quote:The beginning of life and the ending of life are the God-given boundaries of human existence. While individuals have always had some degree of control over when they would die, they now have the awesome power to determine when and even whether new individuals will be born.
Our belief in the sanctity of unborn human life makes us reluctant to approve abortion. But we are equally bound to respect the sacredness of the life and well-being of the mother, for whom devastating damage may result from an unacceptable pregnancy. In continuity with past Christian teaching, we recognize tragic conflicts of life with life that may justify abortion, and in such cases we support the legal option of abortion under proper medical procedures. We cannot affirm abortion as an acceptable means of birth control, and we unconditionally reject it as a means of gender selection.
We oppose the use of late-term abortion known as dilation and extraction (partial-birth abortion) and call for the end of this practice except when the physical life of the mother is in danger and no other medical procedure is available, or in the case of severe fetal anomalies incompatible with life. We call all Christians to a searching and prayerful inquiry into the sorts of conditions that may warrant abortion. We commit our Church to continue to provide nurturing ministries to those who terminate a pregnancy, to those in the midst of a crisis pregnancy, and to those who give birth. We particularly encourage the Church, the government, and social service agencies to support and facilitate the option of adoption.
Governmental laws and regulations do not provide all the guidance required by the informed Christian conscience. Therefore, a decision concerning abortion should be made only after thoughtful and prayerful consideration by the parties involved, with medical, pastoral, and other appropriate counsel. From The Book of Discipline of The United Methodist Church - 2004.
http://archives.umc.org/interior.asp?mid=1732
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(05-24-2014 12:39 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  Just a few Christian denominations' position on the subject of abortion to make clear the lie of Planned Parenthood....

Quote:The Catholic Church has always condemned abortion as a grave evil. Christian writers from the first-century author of the Didache to Pope John Paul II in his encyclical Evangelium Vitae ("The Gospel of Life") have maintained that the Bible forbids abortion, just as it forbids murder. This tract will provide some examples of this consistent witness from the writings of the Fathers of the Church...Thus, in 1995 Pope John Paul II declared that the Church’s teaching on abortion "is unchanged and unchangeable. Therefore, by the authority which Christ conferred upon Peter and his successors . . . I declare that direct abortion, that is, abortion willed as an end or as a means, always constitutes a grave moral disorder, since it is the deliberate killing of an innocent human being. This doctrine is based upon the natural law and upon the written word of God, is transmitted by the Church’s tradition and taught by the ordinary and universal magisterium. No circumstance, no purpose, no law whatsoever can ever make licit an act which is intrinsically illicit, since it is contrary to the law of God which is written in every human heart, knowable by reason itself, and proclaimed by the Church" (Evangelium Vitae 62).
http://www.catholic.com/tracts/abortion

Quote:Resolution On Abortion
Kansas City, Missouri - 1984

WHEREAS, The Southern Baptist Convention, meeting in New Orleans in June 1982, clearly stated its opposition to abortion and called upon Southern Baptists to work for appropriate legislation and/or constitutional amendment which will prohibit abortions except to save the physical life of the mother; and

WHEREAS, In addition to legislative remedies for this national sin, it is incumbent that we encourage the woman who is considering abortion to think seriously about the grave significance of such action by presenting information to her about the unborn child in her womb, who is a living individual human being, and encourage her to consider alternatives to abortion; and

WHEREAS, Christlike love requires that such alternatives be made available.

Therefore, be it RESOLVED, That the Southern Baptist Convention meeting in Kansas City, Missouri, June 12-14, 1984, encourage all of its institutions, cooperating churches, and members to work diligently to provide counseling, housing, and adoption placement services for unwed mothers with the specific intent of bringing them into a relationship with Jesus Christ and/or a sense of Christian responsibility; and

Be it further RESOLVED, That we deplore the practice of performing abortions, as well as dispensing to minors without parental consent or even notification, contraceptive medications which have potentially dangerous side effects, and deplore also the use of tax funds for such activities; and

Be it further RESOLVED, That we call upon all Southern Baptists to renew their commitment to support and work for legislation and/or constitutional amendment which will prohibit abortion except to save the physical life of the mother; and

Be it further RESOLVED, That we encourage Southern Baptists to inquire whether or not their physicians perform abortions on demand or give referrals for abortions, and that we commend those of the medical profession who abstain from performing abortions or making abortion referrals; and

Be it finally RESOLVED, That we urge our agencies and institutions to provide leadership for our cooperating churches and members, by preparing literature to take a clear and strong stand against abortion, and to inform and motivate our members to action to eliminate abortion on demand.
http://www.sbc.net/resolutions/21

Quote:The beginning of life and the ending of life are the God-given boundaries of human existence. While individuals have always had some degree of control over when they would die, they now have the awesome power to determine when and even whether new individuals will be born.
Our belief in the sanctity of unborn human life makes us reluctant to approve abortion. But we are equally bound to respect the sacredness of the life and well-being of the mother, for whom devastating damage may result from an unacceptable pregnancy. In continuity with past Christian teaching, we recognize tragic conflicts of life with life that may justify abortion, and in such cases we support the legal option of abortion under proper medical procedures. We cannot affirm abortion as an acceptable means of birth control, and we unconditionally reject it as a means of gender selection.
We oppose the use of late-term abortion known as dilation and extraction (partial-birth abortion) and call for the end of this practice except when the physical life of the mother is in danger and no other medical procedure is available, or in the case of severe fetal anomalies incompatible with life. We call all Christians to a searching and prayerful inquiry into the sorts of conditions that may warrant abortion. We commit our Church to continue to provide nurturing ministries to those who terminate a pregnancy, to those in the midst of a crisis pregnancy, and to those who give birth. We particularly encourage the Church, the government, and social service agencies to support and facilitate the option of adoption.
Governmental laws and regulations do not provide all the guidance required by the informed Christian conscience. Therefore, a decision concerning abortion should be made only after thoughtful and prayerful consideration by the parties involved, with medical, pastoral, and other appropriate counsel. From The Book of Discipline of The United Methodist Church - 2004.
http://archives.umc.org/interior.asp?mid=1732

Any Catholic who has an abortion or supports abortion rights should be excommunicated. Yes this means you Nancy Pelosi, John Kerry, Joe Biden etc. I don't care if you say you are personally against abortion...you should not support "a women's right to choose" if you are a Catholic. Your faith does not allow you to equivocate or justify any other position than pro-life.
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I don't know who these priests are, but they need to either repent or quit pretending they are followers of Jesus Christ. That's disgusting.
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The Catholic Cathechist says that any Catholic that does not adhere to the church's teaching in ANY point is anathema and is subject to ex-communication. In other words you cannot be a cafeteria type Catholic and just adhere to those points which you like. So yes, in that sense I'm surprised that these people haven't been ex-communicated. I guess the RCC doesn't want to make this big waves by doing so.

P.S. This rules apply only to Catholics.
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I'm a Catholic and I support choice in certain situations.

I've never pretended that such a stance was anything by against the teachings of the Church. I still don't feel abortion should be prohibited across the board.
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I don't see how anyone can proactively advocate abortions. I mean, some have views that it's ok to have one, that's their opinion and they are entitled to that opinion, However, actively promoting and advocating an abortion is just unthinkable. I mean, folks have to pay for an abortion, right? Maybe that' the angle the promoters are coming from? Follow the money, right?
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I'm sooo thankful the political calculus has turned on this. For years the group think of the GOP dominated in this arena. Thankfully that time has passed. I can understand and respect the GOP's position on this. If it costs you votes so be it, I can actually appreciate the effort. Now I would suggest a little compassion on your part. Understand that this is not an easy decision for those involved. It's not like going to the Dentist for these people. Sometimes chromosomal abnormalities take place. Sometimes they already have two kids and they are a single mother. Sometimes the carrying capacity for a household is 2 kids not 3. I get that and I understand that you don't. There is a grey area here and the answer is not. I know better than you. The irony that this position emanates from the party of small government does not escape me either.
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The only instance I can think of where it is ok is if there is no chance for either the mother or child to survive, such as a fallopian tube pregnancy. The child having Downs Syndrome is not a justification to abort nor is finance or selfishness.
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