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RE: Differences between AAC-16 with western wing and WAC-16?
(05-22-2014 01:31 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  
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(05-22-2014 12:59 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  If you include football, only Boise is better than ECU from that list and Fresno is on par. Colorado State has a losing history and I wont even speak of UNLV football.

TV: ECU: 99

Boise Market: 111
UNLV Market: 40
USAFA: 91
CSU: 18

W/L Since 1997:

ECU - 104/101 (this includes last year in a super weak CUSA)
Fresno - 131/84
AFA - 117/90
CSU - 106/104
UNLV - 03-puke

ECU is on par performance wise only with CSU, but CSU's market and endowment blow ECU away, so that tie is effectively broken.

Air Force's value is significant being a service academy, and their performance on the field is better than ECU.

Fresno, clearly better on the field and a nice market (55).

UNLV may stink, but obviously their market is good and they're investing in their programs. Lots of intangibles there. I consider them on par with ECU in terms of value.

Not trying to flame. I think UNLV is a good comparison, but you are clearly behind Fresno/AFA/CSU.

All those teams have played in weak conferences too. Endowments have nothing to do with it. How many BCS wins do Colo St, Fresno, and Air Force have in the past 20 years? Not too many I would guess.

How does Houston compare with those schools? Maybe Houston shouldn't have been invited to the AAC before Fresno, Colorado St, or Air Force too. LOL

And here comes the avalanche of butthurt...

05-sosad

So much for an honest, productive discussion.

Houston seriously has the exact same 104-101 record

Which coincidentally includes our WORST decade of football in our entire history. Congratulations. You matched our worst decade ever. Im sure you are very proud.
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RE: Differences between AAC-16 with western wing and WAC-16?
(05-23-2014 10:47 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(05-22-2014 01:31 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  
(05-22-2014 01:30 PM)ElectricCoogaloo Wrote:  
(05-22-2014 01:27 PM)First Mate Wrote:  
(05-22-2014 01:13 PM)ElectricCoogaloo Wrote:  W/L Since 1997:

ECU - 104/101 (this includes last year in a super weak CUSA)
Fresno - 131/84
AFA - 117/90
CSU - 106/104
UNLV - 03-puke

ECU is on par performance wise only with CSU, but CSU's market and endowment blow ECU away, so that tie is effectively broken.

Air Force's value is significant being a service academy, and their performance on the field is better than ECU.

Fresno, clearly better on the field and a nice market (55).

UNLV may stink, but obviously their market is good and they're investing in their programs. Lots of intangibles there. I consider them on par with ECU in terms of value.

Not trying to flame. I think UNLV is a good comparison, but you are clearly behind Fresno/AFA/CSU.

All those teams have played in weak conferences too. Endowments have nothing to do with it. How many BCS wins do Colo St, Fresno, and Air Force have in the past 20 years? Not too many I would guess.

How does Houston compare with those schools? Maybe Houston shouldn't have been invited to the AAC before Fresno, Colorado St, or Air Force too. LOL

And here comes the avalanche of butthurt...

05-sosad

So much for an honest, productive discussion.

Houston seriously has the exact same 104-101 record

Which coincidentally is our WORST decade of football in our entire history. Congratulations. You matched our worst decade ever. Im sure you are very proud.

You act is if this is our best decade? It coincidentally, is also our worst decade. Thanks for the congrats though.
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RE: Differences between AAC-16 with western wing and WAC-16?
(05-23-2014 10:49 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  
(05-23-2014 10:47 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(05-22-2014 01:31 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  
(05-22-2014 01:30 PM)ElectricCoogaloo Wrote:  
(05-22-2014 01:27 PM)First Mate Wrote:  All those teams have played in weak conferences too. Endowments have nothing to do with it. How many BCS wins do Colo St, Fresno, and Air Force have in the past 20 years? Not too many I would guess.

How does Houston compare with those schools? Maybe Houston shouldn't have been invited to the AAC before Fresno, Colorado St, or Air Force too. LOL

And here comes the avalanche of butthurt...

05-sosad

So much for an honest, productive discussion.

Houston seriously has the exact same 104-101 record

Which coincidentally is our WORST decade of football in our entire history. Congratulations. You matched our worst decade ever. Im sure you are very proud.

You act is if this is our best decade? It coincidentally, is also our worst decade. Thanks for the congrats though.

lol. Your welcomed. Just remember, Houston has 16 top 25 finishes. Finished one year #4 and #5 in another. Historically, we are MUCH better than the decade referenced. A quick look would indicate we were MUCH better before that decade and have been MUCH better since that decade (76-52 over the last 10 years with 3 double digit win seasons).
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RE: Differences between AAC-16 with western wing and WAC-16?
(05-23-2014 10:55 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(05-23-2014 10:49 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  
(05-23-2014 10:47 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(05-22-2014 01:31 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  
(05-22-2014 01:30 PM)ElectricCoogaloo Wrote:  And here comes the avalanche of butthurt...

05-sosad

So much for an honest, productive discussion.

Houston seriously has the exact same 104-101 record

Which coincidentally is our WORST decade of football in our entire history. Congratulations. You matched our worst decade ever. Im sure you are very proud.

You act is if this is our best decade? It coincidentally, is also our worst decade. Thanks for the congrats though.

lol. Your welcomed. Just remember, Houston has 16 top 25 finishes. Finished at one year #4 and #5 in another.

And Rice has won like 6 Cotton Bowls. I think we should all just focus on this decade (since 2010) as that is all that really matters now
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RE: Differences between AAC-16 with western wing and WAC-16?
(05-23-2014 10:59 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  
(05-23-2014 10:55 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(05-23-2014 10:49 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  
(05-23-2014 10:47 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(05-22-2014 01:31 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  Houston seriously has the exact same 104-101 record

Which coincidentally is our WORST decade of football in our entire history. Congratulations. You matched our worst decade ever. Im sure you are very proud.

You act is if this is our best decade? It coincidentally, is also our worst decade. Thanks for the congrats though.

lol. Your welcomed. Just remember, Houston has 16 top 25 finishes. Finished at one year #4 and #5 in another.

And Rice has won like 6 Cotton Bowls. I think we should all just focus on this decade (since 2010) as that is all that really matters now

76-52 over the last 10 years with 3 double digit win seasons. Climbed as high as #6 in the rankings--unfortunately #18 was our best finish. 04-cheers
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RE: Differences between AAC-16 with western wing and WAC-16?
(05-23-2014 11:07 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(05-23-2014 10:59 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  
(05-23-2014 10:55 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(05-23-2014 10:49 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  
(05-23-2014 10:47 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Which coincidentally is our WORST decade of football in our entire history. Congratulations. You matched our worst decade ever. Im sure you are very proud.

You act is if this is our best decade? It coincidentally, is also our worst decade. Thanks for the congrats though.

lol. Your welcomed. Just remember, Houston has 16 top 25 finishes. Finished at one year #4 and #5 in another.

And Rice has won like 6 Cotton Bowls. I think we should all just focus on this decade (since 2010) as that is all that really matters now

76-52 over the last 10 years with 3 double digit win seasons. Climbed as high as #6 in the rankings--unfortunately #18 was our best finish. 04-cheers

Notice I said since 2010, and honestly, since last year considering that is the start of the current AAC. Thats all we will be held accountable for during realignment.
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RE: Differences between AAC-16 with western wing and WAC-16?
(05-23-2014 11:26 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  
(05-23-2014 11:07 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(05-23-2014 10:59 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  
(05-23-2014 10:55 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(05-23-2014 10:49 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  You act is if this is our best decade? It coincidentally, is also our worst decade. Thanks for the congrats though.

lol. Your welcomed. Just remember, Houston has 16 top 25 finishes. Finished at one year #4 and #5 in another.

And Rice has won like 6 Cotton Bowls. I think we should all just focus on this decade (since 2010) as that is all that really matters now

76-52 over the last 10 years with 3 double digit win seasons. Climbed as high as #6 in the rankings--unfortunately #18 was our best finish. 04-cheers

Notice I said since 2010, and honestly, since last year considering that is the start of the current AAC. Thats all we will be held accountable for during realignment.

Nothing special about the 2010-to-present time period that I can see as a measuring stick. I do agree that the AAC performance will more important going forward that past performance was.
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RE: Differences between AAC-16 with western wing and WAC-16?
(05-23-2014 11:26 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  
(05-23-2014 11:07 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(05-23-2014 10:59 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  
(05-23-2014 10:55 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(05-23-2014 10:49 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  You act is if this is our best decade? It coincidentally, is also our worst decade. Thanks for the congrats though.

lol. Your welcomed. Just remember, Houston has 16 top 25 finishes. Finished at one year #4 and #5 in another.

And Rice has won like 6 Cotton Bowls. I think we should all just focus on this decade (since 2010) as that is all that really matters now

76-52 over the last 10 years with 3 double digit win seasons. Climbed as high as #6 in the rankings--unfortunately #18 was our best finish. 04-cheers

Notice I said since 2010, and honestly, since last year considering that is the start of the current AAC. Thats all we will be held accountable for during realignment.

So NIU will be highly valued?
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RE: Differences between AAC-16 with western wing and WAC-16?
(05-23-2014 10:49 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  
(05-23-2014 10:47 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(05-22-2014 01:31 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  
(05-22-2014 01:30 PM)ElectricCoogaloo Wrote:  
(05-22-2014 01:27 PM)First Mate Wrote:  All those teams have played in weak conferences too. Endowments have nothing to do with it. How many BCS wins do Colo St, Fresno, and Air Force have in the past 20 years? Not too many I would guess.

How does Houston compare with those schools? Maybe Houston shouldn't have been invited to the AAC before Fresno, Colorado St, or Air Force too. LOL

And here comes the avalanche of butthurt...

05-sosad

So much for an honest, productive discussion.

Houston seriously has the exact same 104-101 record

Which coincidentally is our WORST decade of football in our entire history. Congratulations. You matched our worst decade ever. Im sure you are very proud.

You act is if this is our best decade? It coincidentally, is also our worst decade. Thanks for the congrats though.

All this herp and derp is getting really out of hand.

I'm pretty sure ECU's worst 10-year stretch was 1932-1941 where they went 24-40-2.

If you want to look at modern day, it's gotta be 1984-1993 where they went 44-67.

UH's worst stretch was undoubtedly 1992-2001 were we went 31-79-1.

Moral of the story, ECU's worst stretch was not after 1997. Not by a long shot. UH's absolutely was. Soooo if you're critcizing my 1997-2013 data, that stuff is actually heavily slanted against UH.

Anyway, it's a stupid argument to be having. My personal preferences/opinions about what should/should not have happened don't amount to a hill of beans and anybody taking them that seriously needs to chillax.
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RE: Differences between AAC-16 with western wing and WAC-16?
Real Talk...Just like the Big East kicked out Temple...how does the American kick out 2? Or can the best of the AAC schools actually break off (say 7 of the members) and call up the best seven MWC teams and form that truly 'American' conference?
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(05-23-2014 12:01 PM)chrisiskingx Wrote:  Real Talk...Just like the Big East kicked out Temple...how does the American kick out 2? Or can the best of the AAC schools actually break off (say 7 of the members) and call up the best seven MWC teams and form that truly 'American' conference?

Real talk: that ship has sailed.
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(05-23-2014 12:01 PM)chrisiskingx Wrote:  Real Talk...Just like the Big East kicked out Temple...how does the American kick out 2? Or can the best of the AAC schools actually break off (say 7 of the members) and call up the best seven MWC teams and form that truly 'American' conference?

That is what the MWC did to form the current MWC. You could do this:

East
1. Connecticut
2. Cincinnati
3. Memphis
4. East Carolina
5. Central Florida
6. South Florida
7. Houston

West
1. San Diego State
2. Fresno State
3. Boise State
4. UNLV
5. Colorado State
6. New Mexico
7. BYU or SMU, depending on what BYU does.
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RE: Differences between AAC-16 with western wing and WAC-16?
(05-23-2014 12:01 PM)chrisiskingx Wrote:  Real Talk...Just like the Big East kicked out Temple...how does the American kick out 2? Or can the best of the AAC schools actually break off (say 7 of the members) and call up the best seven MWC teams and form that truly 'American' conference?

Ok

How about AAC's best 10 and the MWC best 4... Bellow are the 4 from the MWC I would chose + two.

1. Any AAC's top 10

2. MWC best 4 = San Diego St., Fresno, UNLV, New Mexico/Air Force (yikes, other then San Diego St. I'm not really sold on the other three).

3. BYU and UMASS
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(05-23-2014 12:31 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  
(05-23-2014 12:01 PM)chrisiskingx Wrote:  Real Talk...Just like the Big East kicked out Temple...how does the American kick out 2? Or can the best of the AAC schools actually break off (say 7 of the members) and call up the best seven MWC teams and form that truly 'American' conference?

Ok

How about AAC's best 10 and the MWC best 4... Bellow are the 4 from the MWC I would chose + two.

1. Any AAC's top 10

2. MWC best 4 = San Diego St., Fresno, UNLV, New Mexico/Air Force (yikes, other then San Diego St. I'm not really sold on the other three).

3. BYU and UMASS

That approach did not work last time when trying to add good schools from out west.
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(05-23-2014 12:11 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  
(05-23-2014 12:01 PM)chrisiskingx Wrote:  Real Talk...Just like the Big East kicked out Temple...how does the American kick out 2? Or can the best of the AAC schools actually break off (say 7 of the members) and call up the best seven MWC teams and form that truly 'American' conference?

That is what the MWC did to form the current MWC. You could do this:

East
1. Connecticut
2. Cincinnati
3. Memphis
4. Temple
5. Central Florida
6. South Florida
7. Navy

West
1. San Diego State
2. Fresno State
3. Boise State
4. SMU
5. Colorado State
6. Houston
7. Air Force

07-coffee3

If you're constructing a maximum TV dollars conference, this is how it would be (assuming BYU is off the table).

If Air Force refuses to play ball, invite UNLV. If Navy refuses, invite ECU. If both refuse, stay at 12.
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(05-23-2014 12:11 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  
(05-23-2014 12:01 PM)chrisiskingx Wrote:  Real Talk...Just like the Big East kicked out Temple...how does the American kick out 2? Or can the best of the AAC schools actually break off (say 7 of the members) and call up the best seven MWC teams and form that truly 'American' conference?

That is what the MWC did to form the current MWC. You could do this:

East
1. Connecticut
2. Cincinnati
3. Memphis
4. East Carolina
5. Central Florida
6. South Florida
7. Houston

West
1. San Diego State
2. Fresno State
3. Boise State
4. UNLV
5. Colorado State
6. New Mexico
7. BYU or SMU, depending on what BYU does.
07-coffee3

Be aware this could still quickly become a 10 team conference. You easily could be raided for:

Connecticut
Cincinnati
Central Florida
BYU

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(05-23-2014 12:40 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  
(05-23-2014 12:11 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  
(05-23-2014 12:01 PM)chrisiskingx Wrote:  Real Talk...Just like the Big East kicked out Temple...how does the American kick out 2? Or can the best of the AAC schools actually break off (say 7 of the members) and call up the best seven MWC teams and form that truly 'American' conference?

That is what the MWC did to form the current MWC. You could do this:

East
1. Connecticut
2. Cincinnati
3. Memphis
4. East Carolina
5. Central Florida
6. South Florida
7. Houston

West
1. San Diego State
2. Fresno State
3. Boise State
4. UNLV
5. Colorado State
6. New Mexico
7. BYU or SMU, depending on what BYU does.
07-coffee3

Be aware this could still quickly become a 10 team conference. You easily could be raided for:

Connecticut
Cincinnati
Central Florida
BYU

07-coffee3

LOL. That concern exists in the present scenario too.
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(05-22-2014 01:38 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  [quote='billybobby777' pid='10772461' dateline='1400778307']
You first need to know why the WAC failed. It wasn't because it was too big. It was because there were certain teams that wanted to play one another EVERY year. There were 5 in particular that wanted to play one another--BYU, Air Force, Wyoming, Colorado St, and Utah. The other issue is EVERYONE wanted to play BYU and other teams in the other division. In a traditional divisional set up, eastern division teams might only see BYU at home once every 8 years.

This is the sort of thing I was going to say. You had a core of longtime members who looked around at the new setup that emerged and said "To hell with this" and bolted, leaving the newcomers to play amongst themselves. Much like the C-7 leaving the incoming schools.

No group in the AAC has as much attachment to each other as the Airport 5 had to each other in 1998. I could be wrong, but I don't think there's a single pair of AAC schools who have played each other every year for the last 10 years (2004-13).

(Tulane, Tulsa and ECU miss out this year. Cincy and USF don't join UConn in the BE until 2005. SMU and UCF and Tulsa don't join C-USA until 2005. Memphis and Houston, maybe?
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(05-23-2014 12:47 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(05-22-2014 01:38 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  [quote='billybobby777' pid='10772461' dateline='1400778307']
You first need to know why the WAC failed. It wasn't because it was too big. It was because there were certain teams that wanted to play one another EVERY year. There were 5 in particular that wanted to play one another--BYU, Air Force, Wyoming, Colorado St, and Utah. The other issue is EVERYONE wanted to play BYU and other teams in the other division. In a traditional divisional set up, eastern division teams might only see BYU at home once every 8 years.

This is the sort of thing I was going to say. You had a core of longtime members who looked around at the new setup that emerged and said "To hell with this" and bolted, leaving the newcomers to play amongst themselves. Much like the C-7 leaving the incoming schools.

No group in the AAC has as much attachment to each other as the Airport 5 had to each other in 1998. I could be wrong, but I don't think there's a single pair of AAC schools who have played each other every year for the last 10 years (2004-13).

(Tulane, Tulsa and ECU miss out this year. Cincy and USF don't join UConn in the BE until 2005. SMU and UCF and Tulsa don't join C-USA until 2005. Memphis and Houston, maybe?

Houston played Tulane every year except last year.

We played Tulsa 05-12 and SMU 05-13.

We missed Memphis in 07, 08, 11 and 12.
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(05-23-2014 12:36 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  
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(05-23-2014 12:01 PM)chrisiskingx Wrote:  Real Talk...Just like the Big East kicked out Temple...how does the American kick out 2? Or can the best of the AAC schools actually break off (say 7 of the members) and call up the best seven MWC teams and form that truly 'American' conference?

Ok

How about AAC's best 10 and the MWC best 4... Bellow are the 4 from the MWC I would chose + two.

1. Any AAC's top 10

2. MWC best 4 = San Diego St., Fresno, UNLV, New Mexico/Air Force (yikes, other then San Diego St. I'm not really sold on the other three).

3. BYU and UMASS

That approach did not work last time when trying to add good schools from out west.

Instability held the AAC back more than anything.
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