(05-22-2014 03:05 PM)rc79 Wrote:  I don't get this Louisville 'coronation' at all. Right now, two teams top the league, then it's a tight grouping after that.

As an aside, the bottom three in the Atlantic ...yikes. If you check the final Sagarin Conference rankings for 2013, the divisions are balanced in terms of overall difficulty.

Who were the bottom 3? Wake, NCState, and UMD?

(05-22-2014 03:12 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(05-22-2014 03:05 PM)rc79 Wrote:  I don't get this Louisville 'coronation' at all. Right now, two teams top the league, then it's a tight grouping after that.

As an aside, the bottom three in the Atlantic ...yikes. If you check the final Sagarin Conference rankings for 2013, the divisions are balanced in terms of overall difficulty.

Who were the bottom 3? Wake, NCState, and UMD?

Well....according to Phil Steele Louisville by the Vegas odds will be favored in 9 of it 12 games....maybe that is the reason...make no mistake though..FSU is the class of the league followed by Clemson.

(05-22-2014 02:43 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(05-22-2014 02:38 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  I can't tell if you're being serious or sarcastic?

Autocorrect...recheck what was written...

Ah, got it.

(05-22-2014 03:05 PM)rc79 Wrote:  I don't get this Louisville 'coronation' at all. Right now, two teams top the league, then it's a tight grouping after that.

As an aside, the bottom three in the Atlantic ...yikes. If you check the final Sagarin Conference rankings for 2013, the divisions are balanced in terms of overall difficulty.

I don't think UL is a top 3 ACC program. In 2013, however, they would've had the 3rd best team in the ACC.

But there's no question the Atlantic - at least right now - is harder than the Coastal. No opponent in the Coastal is a guaranteed loss, but FSU and Clemson pretty much are for Atlantic schools. So instead of the Coastal getting clobbered by a couple strong teams, a bunch of mediocre teams beat each other up. How impressive.

Using Sagarin like you said, three 2014 Atlantic teams were ranked substantially higher than the best Coastal team. You say they're "balanced". If that's true, then a Coastal team would have the same odds of winning the Atlantic as they do the Coastal. I've seen some talk of Duke possibly repeating. For reference, they've faced FSU and Clemson 3 times in the last two years and lost by 35+ points each game. You can form your own conclusion, though only one will be correct.

(05-22-2014 03:05 PM)rc79 Wrote:  I don't get this Louisville 'coronation' at all. Right now, two teams top the league, then it's a tight grouping after that.

As an aside, the bottom three in the Atlantic ...yikes. If you check the final Sagarin Conference rankings for 2013, the divisions are balanced in terms of overall difficulty.

I think it's more of a Bobby Petrino coronation

Going into 2014 I would say this:

1. Florida State-(Atlantic)


2. Clemson-(Atlantic)

3. North Carolina-(Coastal)
4. Louisville-(Atlantic)
5. Virginia Tech-(Coastal)
6. Duke-(Coastal)
7. Miami-(Coastal)/Syracuse-(Atlantic)
9. Pittsburgh-(Coastal)
10. Boston College-(Atlantic),Georgia Tech-(Coastal)
12. NC State-(Atlantic)
13. Virginia-(Coastal)
14. Wake Forest-(Atlantic)

(05-22-2014 03:53 PM)Maize Wrote:  Going into 2014 I would say this:

1. Florida State-(Atlantic)


2. Clemson-(Atlantic)

3. North Carolina-(Coastal)
4. Louisville-(Atlantic)
5. Virginia Tech-(Coastal)
6. Duke-(Coastal)
7. Miami-(Coastal)/Syracuse-(Atlantic)
9. Pittsburgh-(Coastal)
10. Boston College-(Atlantic),Georgia Tech-(Coastal)
12. NC State-(Atlantic)
13. Virginia-(Coastal)
14. Wake Forest-(Atlantic)

id go:
1- Florida State(a)
2-Clemson(a)
3- North Carolina©, Virginia Tech©
5-Louisville(a), Syracuse(a), Duke©, Miami©, Pittsburgh©
10-Georgia Tech©
11-Boston College(a)
12-Virginia©
13-NC State(a)
14- Wake Forest(a)

(05-22-2014 04:07 PM)Chris02M Wrote:  

(05-22-2014 03:53 PM)Maize Wrote:  Going into 2014 I would say this:

1. Florida State-(Atlantic)


2. Clemson-(Atlantic)

3. North Carolina-(Coastal)
4. Louisville-(Atlantic)
5. Virginia Tech-(Coastal)
6. Duke-(Coastal)
7. Miami-(Coastal)/Syracuse-(Atlantic)
9. Pittsburgh-(Coastal)
10. Boston College-(Atlantic),Georgia Tech-(Coastal)
12. NC State-(Atlantic)
13. Virginia-(Coastal)
14. Wake Forest-(Atlantic)

id go:
1- Florida State(a)
2-Clemson(a)
3- North Carolina©, Virginia Tech©
5-Louisville(a), Syracuse(a), Duke©, Miami©, Pittsburgh©
10-Georgia Tech©
11-Boston College(a)
12-Virginia©
13-NC State(a)
14- Wake Forest(a)

We are actually very close...only slight disagreement is Louisville-Virginia Tech...from 3 through 9 it is razor thin....

(05-22-2014 03:53 PM)Maize Wrote:  Going into 2014 I would say this:

1. Florida State-(Atlantic)


2. Clemson-(Atlantic)

3. North Carolina-(Coastal)
4. Louisville-(Atlantic)
5. Virginia Tech-(Coastal)
6. Duke-(Coastal)
7. Miami-(Coastal)/Syracuse-(Atlantic)
9. Pittsburgh-(Coastal)
10. Boston College-(Atlantic),Georgia Tech-(Coastal)
12. NC State-(Atlantic)
13. Virginia-(Coastal)
14. Wake Forest-(Atlantic)

Maize, UNC does not have the third best program in the ACC, or the third best team this year. Don't buy the hype. UNC has not won an ACC football title since 1980. Anytime you see UNC or NC State hyped in football you need to check your sense of smell for bull ****.

Reality is more like this:

1. FSU

Big Gap

2. Clemson

Gap

3. tie Louisville, VT, Miami

Small Gap

6. UNC

7-12 tie GT, Syracuse, NC State, Pitt, Duke, BC

13. UVa
14. WF

(05-22-2014 10:22 AM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  If the ACC could guarantee us that our annual rivals would be Virginia Tech, Miami and Syracuse, then I'd be all for the division-less set up. Unfortunately, that doesn't appear to be a part of their plan so our vote remains to retain the current set up.

I think the no-division mock-up plans by fans have been far more favorable to Pitt than SU.

SU's three partners mentioned the most are Pitt, BC, and Louisville.

But I'm open to that as long as there is balance (or should I say common sense) in dividing up the 5/5

First 5 for two years - FSU, GT, VT, NCST, Duke
Second 5 next two years - Miami, Clemson, UVa, UNC, Wake

Then just make sure Duke and Wake are away the year we get BC at home and an attractive conference home schedule can be something like:

Pitt, BC, FSU, NCST
Louisville, VT, GT, Duke

Pitt, BC, Miami, UNC
Louisville, Clemson, UVa, Wake

As the old saying goes, "make lemonade".

If you think long and hard about it, I'm sure you can come up with a similar scenario for Pitt without having to insist upon Miami, VT, and SU as your permanent partners.

Cheers,
Neil

(05-22-2014 07:37 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(05-22-2014 03:53 PM)Maize Wrote:  Going into 2014 I would say this:

1. Florida State-(Atlantic)


2. Clemson-(Atlantic)

3. North Carolina-(Coastal)
4. Louisville-(Atlantic)
5. Virginia Tech-(Coastal)
6. Duke-(Coastal)
7. Miami-(Coastal)/Syracuse-(Atlantic)
9. Pittsburgh-(Coastal)
10. Boston College-(Atlantic),Georgia Tech-(Coastal)
12. NC State-(Atlantic)
13. Virginia-(Coastal)
14. Wake Forest-(Atlantic)

Maize, UNC does not have the third best program in the ACC, or the third best team this year. Don't buy the hype. UNC has not won an ACC football title since 1980. Anytime you see UNC or NC State hyped in football you need to check your sense of smell for bull ****.

Reality is more like this:

1. FSU

Big Gap

2. Clemson

Gap

3. tie Louisville, VT, Miami

Small Gap

6. UNC

7-12 tie GT, Syracuse, NC State, Pitt, Duke, BC

13. UVa
14. WF

I know the history...one of my best friends is a UNC guy...if you go by talent they have a good case...but you have to perform on the field...

(05-22-2014 10:13 AM)Maize Wrote:  Currently 3 of the Top 4 teams are in the Atlantic Division...nobody in the Coastal has to beat out Florida State, Clemson and Louisville...the team to beat right now in that Division is UNC...easier task....

So Louisville is 3rd best team in the league without ever playing a game? I guess it's like how they were going to win the AAC last year before they had to actually do it.

As to the article, I'm surprised Babcock has taken such a different stance from Weaver. Weaver wanted 10 league games.

(05-22-2014 09:43 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  

(05-22-2014 10:13 AM)Maize Wrote:  Currently 3 of the Top 4 teams are in the Atlantic Division...nobody in the Coastal has to beat out Florida State, Clemson and Louisville.

So Louisville is 3rd best team in the league without ever playing a game? I guess it's like how they were going to win the AAC last year before they had to actually do it.

I'm not saying UofL will be the 3rd best team in the ACC for sure in 2014, but if the example "against us" is a 12-1 season like 2013, sign me up for that again.

(05-23-2014 12:14 AM)CollegeCard Wrote:  

(05-22-2014 09:43 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  

(05-22-2014 10:13 AM)Maize Wrote:  Currently 3 of the Top 4 teams are in the Atlantic Division...nobody in the Coastal has to beat out Florida State, Clemson and Louisville.

So Louisville is 3rd best team in the league without ever playing a game? I guess it's like how they were going to win the AAC last year before they had to actually do it.

I'm not saying UofL will be the 3rd best team in the ACC for sure in 2014, but if the example "against us" is a 12-1 season like 2013, sign me up for that again.

OK, I'll let it happen, but that one loss has to come against Syracuse.

(05-23-2014 01:12 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(05-23-2014 12:14 AM)CollegeCard Wrote:  

(05-22-2014 09:43 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  

(05-22-2014 10:13 AM)Maize Wrote:  Currently 3 of the Top 4 teams are in the Atlantic Division...nobody in the Coastal has to beat out Florida State, Clemson and Louisville.

So Louisville is 3rd best team in the league without ever playing a game? I guess it's like how they were going to win the AAC last year before they had to actually do it.

I'm not saying UofL will be the 3rd best team in the ACC for sure in 2014, but if the example "against us" is a 12-1 season like 2013, sign me up for that again.

OK, I'll let it happen, but that one loss has to come against Syracuse.

Didn't even say Louisville was the 3rd best team in the entire ACC...Only said for 2014 that Louisville has a case of being in the Top 4 going into the ACC in 2014 and by appearances could make a case that 3 of the Top 4 Teams in the 2014 ACC is in the same Division and clearly behind FSU & Clemson...as for not winning the AAC, still went 12-1 with our only defeat being to UCF won also went 12-1 and won the Fiesta Bowl....also, if I am not mistaken VT did win the ACC it first year in the league.

All Great points Maize!^^^^^^^^^^
FLossY out...

(05-22-2014 09:43 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  

(05-22-2014 10:13 AM)Maize Wrote:  Currently 3 of the Top 4 teams are in the Atlantic Division...nobody in the Coastal has to beat out Florida State, Clemson and Louisville...the team to beat right now in that Division is UNC...easier task....

So Louisville is 3rd best team in the league without ever playing a game? I guess it's like how they were going to win the AAC last year before they had to actually do it.

As to the article, I'm surprised Babcock has taken such a different stance from Weaver. Weaver wanted 10 league games.

Weaver's position was from about 5 years ago. Now that FSU has "recovered" Babcock sees no good reason to ask for more games with them or Clemson as long as VT can get ooc games against the top of the B10, especially since VT is now committed to going to ODU from time to time.

A lot of these positions are based on the capacity of the football stadiums and if excess demands exists. Depending on the tickets you have to sell, what you want differs.

Weaver was also the one who first floated playing ACC teams in ooc games. He specifically was looking at WF and NC State.

With respect to VT's 3 P5 opponents in 5 years, we had someone cancel, (I think it was Syracuse; mutually agreed to) and had to schedule Boise in D.C. on short notice. That left no one available for the other date the following year. So you end up with 3 P5s in 5 years. Also, Cincy was one of the Go5 and they're almost P5.

The next 10 years we're looking at :

2014 Ohio State
2015 Ohio State, Purdue
2016 Tennessee, Notre Dame
2017 1 open date
2018 Notre Dame
2019 Wisconsin
2020 Wisconsin, Michigan
2021 Michigan, West Virginia
2022 West Virginia, Penn State
2023 Penn State, Purdue

And if the ACC/SEC scheduling agreement comes about, I'm sure VT will participate.