(05-21-2014 08:46 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  No, see I show the all the world that I am biased to A&M and the SEC in my "I root for" column and never claimed otherwise.

On the other hand person who claims to be an unbiased fan of all college sports with no ties to anyone but then continually defends a certain conference to the death above all others....now that IS suspect

I may disagree with Sammy and Bullet a lot but I respect them as posters because they are honest about who they root for and what their motivations are.

If posters like you didn't spin and distort the facts about certain teams or conferences there would be no need for anyone to correct your misguided agenda. You wouldn't need to continue to spread hate and lies and no one would need to correct you, which apparently angers you greatly.

You are the answer to your problems.

(05-20-2014 02:49 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  It makes no sense geographically or culturally. It wasn't going to happen in 2011 and it won't happen in 2025. This is not a matter of opinion. This is fact.

-The Pac 12 would never accept Oklahoma State.
-Texas wants no part of the Pac 12...and it never did.
-Oklahoma wants no part of the Pac...and it never did. (regardless of what you have heard)
-Oklahoma will not break ties with Oklahoma State(they are bound by state legislation)
-all Pac 12 schools would vote against the addition of Oklahoma.
-David Boren understands that joining an academic conference doesn't boost academics. It would have happened a long time ago if this was an actual argument.
-David Boren used a loose invite to the Pac to threaten Texas over the Longhorn network and unfair recruiting advantages.

Oklahoma has nothing in common with west coast football. Not from a fan perspective or a scheduling perspective. The Big XII is not about to expand. It is not about to dissolve. Your source is crap.

If Oklahoma ever ends up in another conference it will be the SEC. This is simply due to proximity, natural rivals, recruiting, cultural ties and money. The SEC invited OU in 2010 and was a day away from accepting the invite before Beebe was able to cut a deal keeping the Big XII intact. Anyone who doesn't understand this or denies it has no idea what they are talking about.

If you are one of these people who bought the line in 2011, you were made into the fool. This was never a possibility, nor will it ever be.


Side Notes;
-Big XII is not adding Memphis, BYU, any school from the ACC or any school west of Oklahoma.
-The Big XII is a big boy conference that would gain nothing by adding your mid major program.
-The goal of a conference is not just to add teams. This is not musical schools. The United States is not a board game with each school being a monopoly piece. There has to be a financial incentive to expand.
-Oklahoma, not Texas is the jewel program in the Big XII from a football standpoint. Texas only has more money and a larger recruiting ground. We have the glory and the hardware to prove it.
-A pie cut ten ways renders a bigger piece than a pie with 12,14, 16 shares.

These are the facts. You can either learn to accept them, or continue to play the fool.

Any questions?

You lost all credibility early on.

(05-21-2014 09:19 AM)Tbringer Wrote:  

(05-21-2014 08:46 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  No, see I show the all the world that I am biased to A&M and the SEC in my "I root for" column and never claimed otherwise.

On the other hand person who claims to be an unbiased fan of all college sports with no ties to anyone but then continually defends a certain conference to the death above all others....now that IS suspect

I may disagree with Sammy and Bullet a lot but I respect them as posters because they are honest about who they root for and what their motivations are.

If posters like you didn't spin and distort the facts about certain teams or conferences there would be no need for anyone to correct your misguided agenda. You wouldn't need to continue to spread hate and lies and no one would need to correct you, which apparently angers you greatly.

You are the answer to your problems.

lets see a well known & well respected poster vs Tbringer......

who is the one distorting the facts???????

cough *Tbringer*

this thread isn't about the Big 12.

It's about Okies kind of funny disdain for the PAC even though Boren loves them and was talking with them about membership.

Yet you felt that the honor of the Big 12 had been insulted and came charging in to defend them all while claiming to be a neutral arbiter with no stake in the game.

I don't care if you and Todge defend the Big 12 but I do care that you are both being disingenuous about your claimed status as uninterested parties with no vested interest in the Big 12 when anyone who reads your posting history can clearly see that isn't the case.

(05-20-2014 02:57 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(05-20-2014 02:53 PM)john01992 Wrote:  personally I think both texas & oklahoma wanted into the pac12 a lot more than they let on publicly in the past.

This.

They want to stay with Texas, which is understandable. Those two are a package deal.

OU and OSU were willing to separate from Texas when the B12 was almost 6 feet under when A&M and MIZZOU left the conference in a deep hole. However, it was the PAC 12 that wanted the package deal, which included Texas (TT) and the LHN. I eventually see OU in the SEC.

I'm still waiting for an answer on what exactly Boren was bargaining for when he was pretending he wanted to join the PAC.

(05-20-2014 10:17 PM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  

(05-20-2014 09:40 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  

(05-20-2014 09:33 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(05-20-2014 02:59 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(05-20-2014 02:53 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  If the Pac12 offers a deal to take Texas, OU and their respective tag-a-longs it will be a done deal.

What will be a shame is that OU will be a cultural outsider no matter what conference they go to.

Wrong.

That map is a little ambiguous ... you're saying that UTexas, Okie, LSU and Arkansas are all going to get raided by the ACC?

The only other P5 conference on the Arkansas / Louisiana side of Oklahoma and Texas is the SEC, and its not like UTexas is likely to ever join the SEC.

I think he's implying that UT, OU, LSU & Arkansas(two SEC teams) are culturally and geographically similar. I don't agree or disagree. That's just what I took from it. I'm a born/raised Okie, and I know UT/OU/ & Arkie have long histories. Not so sure about LSU, but their geography matches up nicely.

Not only are Texas and Oklahoma tough cultural fits for other states, Texas alone has at least 3 distinctive cultures in it. However, you will find the same diversity within the "Old Guard" SEC, as well, if you live here a while. There are dramatic differences even in east and west Tennessee. Football, an opinion on BBQ, and Good Looking Women (or at least an appreciation for them) are all you need for SEC entry.

Then all teams in the SEC don't belong together, because anything north of anyone is not southern. The SEC just isn't southern enough for itself.

Oklahoma has more in common with Tennessee and Louisiana than Florida does with either of those states. Arkansas is a natural border rival.

Anyone silly enough to think Oklahoma is remotely similar to Socal, AZ or Oregon needs to check themselves into a geography ignorance rehabilitation facility.

(05-20-2014 09:24 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  the PAC 12 and Oklahoma had talks and at the end of the day they both decided on something else

they did not have to lie to each other, they did not have to reject one or the other and they did not have to each leave the table feeling as though one or the other had won or lost

So what you're saying is that oklalittledixie is wrong and the OP on this thread is full of revisionist BS about how OU never wanted to join the PAC in the first place.

I posted the facts gentlemen. The pac 12 realignment saga was nothing more than an orchestrated attempt by the OU brass to gain more conference leverage in lieu of Texas getting too big for its britches.

You can whine and moan all you wish but....

The Big XII is not expanding, we don't need your mid major program and Oklahoma will never be in a conference on the west coast.

I'm sorry.

(05-21-2014 11:26 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  Anyone silly enough to think Oklahoma is remotely similar to Socal, AZ or Oregon needs to check themselves into a geography ignorance rehabilitation facility.

It must really piss you off that Boren prefers the PAC to the SEC. I can feel the rage through the screen.

Translation for this thread - OU fan who favors the South doesn't want to go to the PAC-12 even though the president of OU was begging to join but they couldn't because they couldn't bring Texas with them.

(05-21-2014 11:30 AM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  Translation for this thread - OU fan who favors the South doesn't want to go to the PAC-12 even though the president of OU was begging to join but they couldn't because they couldn't bring Texas with them.

See no matter how many times you repeat the lie, it doesn't change the facts.

(05-21-2014 11:26 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(05-20-2014 10:17 PM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  

(05-20-2014 09:40 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  

(05-20-2014 09:33 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(05-20-2014 02:59 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  Wrong.

That map is a little ambiguous ... you're saying that UTexas, Okie, LSU and Arkansas are all going to get raided by the ACC?

The only other P5 conference on the Arkansas / Louisiana side of Oklahoma and Texas is the SEC, and its not like UTexas is likely to ever join the SEC.

I think he's implying that UT, OU, LSU & Arkansas(two SEC teams) are culturally and geographically similar. I don't agree or disagree. That's just what I took from it. I'm a born/raised Okie, and I know UT/OU/ & Arkie have long histories. Not so sure about LSU, but their geography matches up nicely.

Not only are Texas and Oklahoma tough cultural fits for other states, Texas alone has at least 3 distinctive cultures in it. However, you will find the same diversity within the "Old Guard" SEC, as well, if you live here a while. There are dramatic differences even in east and west Tennessee. Football, an opinion on BBQ, and Good Looking Women (or at least an appreciation for them) are all you need for SEC entry.

Then all teams in the SEC don't belong together, because anything north of anyone is not southern. The SEC just isn't southern enough for itself.

Oklahoma has more in common with Tennessee and Louisiana than Florida.

Anyone silly enough to think Oklahoma is remotely similar to Socal, AZ or Oregon needs to check themselves into a geography ignorance rehabilitation facility.

You make good points, but the fact remains that OU and OSU were willing to join the PAC 12 a few years ago—period.

(05-21-2014 11:32 AM)Underdog Wrote:  

(05-21-2014 11:26 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(05-20-2014 10:17 PM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  

(05-20-2014 09:40 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  

(05-20-2014 09:33 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  That map is a little ambiguous ... you're saying that UTexas, Okie, LSU and Arkansas are all going to get raided by the ACC?

The only other P5 conference on the Arkansas / Louisiana side of Oklahoma and Texas is the SEC, and its not like UTexas is likely to ever join the SEC.

I think he's implying that UT, OU, LSU & Arkansas(two SEC teams) are culturally and geographically similar. I don't agree or disagree. That's just what I took from it. I'm a born/raised Okie, and I know UT/OU/ & Arkie have long histories. Not so sure about LSU, but their geography matches up nicely.

Not only are Texas and Oklahoma tough cultural fits for other states, Texas alone has at least 3 distinctive cultures in it. However, you will find the same diversity within the "Old Guard" SEC, as well, if you live here a while. There are dramatic differences even in east and west Tennessee. Football, an opinion on BBQ, and Good Looking Women (or at least an appreciation for them) are all you need for SEC entry.

Then all teams in the SEC don't belong together, because anything north of anyone is not southern. The SEC just isn't southern enough for itself.

Oklahoma has more in common with Tennessee and Louisiana than Florida.

Anyone silly enough to think Oklahoma is remotely similar to Socal, AZ or Oregon needs to check themselves into a geography ignorance rehabilitation facility.

You make good points, but the fact remains that OU and OSU were willing to join the PAC 12 (a few years ago)....

They were not. I don't mean to be difficult here, but I can promise you that they never intended to leave. Neither did Texas. Many people here have known this for a long time.

(05-21-2014 11:30 AM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  Translation for this thread - OU fan who favors the South doesn't want to go to the PAC-12 even though the president of OU was begging to join but they couldn't because they couldn't bring Texas with them.

Yep, this exactly

(05-21-2014 11:33 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(05-21-2014 11:32 AM)Underdog Wrote:  

(05-21-2014 11:26 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(05-20-2014 10:17 PM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  

(05-20-2014 09:40 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  I think he's implying that UT, OU, LSU & Arkansas(two SEC teams) are culturally and geographically similar. I don't agree or disagree. That's just what I took from it. I'm a born/raised Okie, and I know UT/OU/ & Arkie have long histories. Not so sure about LSU, but their geography matches up nicely.

Not only are Texas and Oklahoma tough cultural fits for other states, Texas alone has at least 3 distinctive cultures in it. However, you will find the same diversity within the "Old Guard" SEC, as well, if you live here a while. There are dramatic differences even in east and west Tennessee. Football, an opinion on BBQ, and Good Looking Women (or at least an appreciation for them) are all you need for SEC entry.

Then all teams in the SEC don't belong together, because anything north of anyone is not southern. The SEC just isn't southern enough for itself.

Oklahoma has more in common with Tennessee and Louisiana than Florida.

Anyone silly enough to think Oklahoma is remotely similar to Socal, AZ or Oregon needs to check themselves into a geography ignorance rehabilitation facility.

You make good points, but the fact remains that OU and OSU were willing to join the PAC 12 (a few years ago)....

They were not. I don't mean to be difficult here, but I can promise you that they never intended to leave. Neither did Texas. Many people here have known this for a long time.

Here's my proof:

http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com...c-12-snub/

Please provide your evidence that contradicts it....

(05-20-2014 02:49 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  It makes no sense geographically or culturally. It wasn't going to happen in 2011 and it won't happen in 2025. This is not a matter of opinion. This is fact.

-The Pac 12 would never accept Oklahoma State.
-Texas wants no part of the Pac 12...and it never did.
-Oklahoma wants no part of the Pac...and it never did. (regardless of what you have heard)
-Oklahoma will not break ties with Oklahoma State(they are bound by state legislation)
-all Pac 12 schools would vote against the addition of Oklahoma.
-David Boren understands that joining an academic conference doesn't boost academics. It would have happened a long time ago if this was an actual argument.
-David Boren used a loose invite to the Pac to threaten Texas over the Longhorn network and unfair recruiting advantages.

Oklahoma has nothing in common with west coast football. Not from a fan perspective or a scheduling perspective. The Big XII is not about to expand. It is not about to dissolve. Your source is crap.

If Oklahoma ever ends up in another conference it will be the SEC. This is simply due to proximity, natural rivals, recruiting, cultural ties and money. The SEC invited OU in 2010 and was a day away from accepting the invite before Beebe was able to cut a deal keeping the Big XII intact. Anyone who doesn't understand this or denies it has no idea what they are talking about.

If you are one of these people who bought the line in 2011, you were made into the fool. This was never a possibility, nor will it ever be.


Side Notes;
-Big XII is not adding Memphis, BYU, any school from the ACC or any school west of Oklahoma.
-The Big XII is a big boy conference that would gain nothing by adding your mid major program.
-The goal of a conference is not just to add teams. This is not musical schools. The United States is not a board game with each school being a monopoly piece. There has to be a financial incentive to expand.
-Oklahoma, not Texas is the jewel program in the Big XII from a football standpoint. Texas only has more money and a larger recruiting ground. We have the glory and the hardware to prove it.
-A pie cut ten ways renders a bigger piece than a pie with 12,14, 16 shares.

These are the facts. You can either learn to accept them, or continue to play the fool.

Any questions?

The PAC 12 doesn't offer enough competition for OU anyways. They fit better in the SEC.

(05-21-2014 11:33 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(05-21-2014 11:32 AM)Underdog Wrote:  You make good points, but the fact remains that OU and OSU were willing to join the PAC 12 (a few years ago)....

They were not. I don't mean to be difficult here, but I can promise you that they never intended to leave. Neither did Texas. Many people here have known this for a long time.

Many people here may have believed it for a long time, but they've only known it if it were, in fact, true. Oklahoma and UTexas may prefer the Big12 as a power conference to the other power conference alternatives, but it takes quite a lot of faith to believe that the multiple tries at engineering a move when it looked like the Big12 was going to fall apart were all just bluffs.

(05-21-2014 11:37 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(05-20-2014 02:49 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  It makes no sense geographically or culturally. It wasn't going to happen in 2011 and it won't happen in 2025. This is not a matter of opinion. This is fact.

-The Pac 12 would never accept Oklahoma State.
-Texas wants no part of the Pac 12...and it never did.
-Oklahoma wants no part of the Pac...and it never did. (regardless of what you have heard)
-Oklahoma will not break ties with Oklahoma State(they are bound by state legislation)
-all Pac 12 schools would vote against the addition of Oklahoma.
-David Boren understands that joining an academic conference doesn't boost academics. It would have happened a long time ago if this was an actual argument.
-David Boren used a loose invite to the Pac to threaten Texas over the Longhorn network and unfair recruiting advantages.

Oklahoma has nothing in common with west coast football. Not from a fan perspective or a scheduling perspective. The Big XII is not about to expand. It is not about to dissolve. Your source is crap.

If Oklahoma ever ends up in another conference it will be the SEC. This is simply due to proximity, natural rivals, recruiting, cultural ties and money. The SEC invited OU in 2010 and was a day away from accepting the invite before Beebe was able to cut a deal keeping the Big XII intact. Anyone who doesn't understand this or denies it has no idea what they are talking about.

If you are one of these people who bought the line in 2011, you were made into the fool. This was never a possibility, nor will it ever be.


Side Notes;
-Big XII is not adding Memphis, BYU, any school from the ACC or any school west of Oklahoma.
-The Big XII is a big boy conference that would gain nothing by adding your mid major program.
-The goal of a conference is not just to add teams. This is not musical schools. The United States is not a board game with each school being a monopoly piece. There has to be a financial incentive to expand.
-Oklahoma, not Texas is the jewel program in the Big XII from a football standpoint. Texas only has more money and a larger recruiting ground. We have the glory and the hardware to prove it.
-A pie cut ten ways renders a bigger piece than a pie with 12,14, 16 shares.

These are the facts. You can either learn to accept them, or continue to play the fool.

Any questions?

The PAC 12 doesn't offer enough competition for OU anyways. They fit better in the SEC.

....which is why OU would likely still join the PAC 12 where it can "stand out" instead of being "stepped on" in SECond to none football conference.

(05-21-2014 11:47 AM)Underdog Wrote:  

(05-21-2014 11:37 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(05-20-2014 02:49 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  It makes no sense geographically or culturally. It wasn't going to happen in 2011 and it won't happen in 2025. This is not a matter of opinion. This is fact.

-The Pac 12 would never accept Oklahoma State.
-Texas wants no part of the Pac 12...and it never did.
-Oklahoma wants no part of the Pac...and it never did. (regardless of what you have heard)
-Oklahoma will not break ties with Oklahoma State(they are bound by state legislation)
-all Pac 12 schools would vote against the addition of Oklahoma.
-David Boren understands that joining an academic conference doesn't boost academics. It would have happened a long time ago if this was an actual argument.
-David Boren used a loose invite to the Pac to threaten Texas over the Longhorn network and unfair recruiting advantages.

Oklahoma has nothing in common with west coast football. Not from a fan perspective or a scheduling perspective. The Big XII is not about to expand. It is not about to dissolve. Your source is crap.

If Oklahoma ever ends up in another conference it will be the SEC. This is simply due to proximity, natural rivals, recruiting, cultural ties and money. The SEC invited OU in 2010 and was a day away from accepting the invite before Beebe was able to cut a deal keeping the Big XII intact. Anyone who doesn't understand this or denies it has no idea what they are talking about.

If you are one of these people who bought the line in 2011, you were made into the fool. This was never a possibility, nor will it ever be.


Side Notes;
-Big XII is not adding Memphis, BYU, any school from the ACC or any school west of Oklahoma.
-The Big XII is a big boy conference that would gain nothing by adding your mid major program.
-The goal of a conference is not just to add teams. This is not musical schools. The United States is not a board game with each school being a monopoly piece. There has to be a financial incentive to expand.
-Oklahoma, not Texas is the jewel program in the Big XII from a football standpoint. Texas only has more money and a larger recruiting ground. We have the glory and the hardware to prove it.
-A pie cut ten ways renders a bigger piece than a pie with 12,14, 16 shares.

These are the facts. You can either learn to accept them, or continue to play the fool.

Any questions?

The PAC 12 doesn't offer enough competition for OU anyways. They fit better in the SEC.

....which is why OU would likely still join the PAC 12 where it can "stand out" instead of being "stepped on" in SECond to none football conference.

I wouldn't go as far as to say they would be stepped on, I think they could easily run the East, and do well in the West ranking at least 3rd or higher each year, which is a tough task. The PAC 12 would be no different than the Big 12 when OU ran it. But they DO have the potential to compete in the SEC.