It makes no sense geographically or culturally. It wasn't going to happen in 2011 and it won't happen in 2025. This is not a matter of opinion. This is fact.

-The Pac 12 would never accept Oklahoma State.
-Texas wants no part of the Pac 12...and it never did.
-Oklahoma wants no part of the Pac...and it never did. (regardless of what you have heard)
-Oklahoma will not break ties with Oklahoma State(they are bound by state legislation)
-all Pac 12 schools would vote against the addition of Oklahoma.
-David Boren understands that joining an academic conference doesn't boost academics. It would have happened a long time ago if this was an actual argument.
-David Boren used a loose invite to the Pac to threaten Texas over the Longhorn network and unfair recruiting advantages.

Oklahoma has nothing in common with west coast football. Not from a fan perspective or a scheduling perspective. The Big XII is not about to expand. It is not about to dissolve. Your source is crap.

If Oklahoma ever ends up in another conference it will be the SEC. This is simply due to proximity, natural rivals, recruiting, cultural ties and money. The SEC invited OU in 2010 and was a day away from accepting the invite before Beebe was able to cut a deal keeping the Big XII intact. Anyone who doesn't understand this or denies it has no idea what they are talking about.

If you are one of these people who bought the line in 2011, you were made into the fool. This was never a possibility, nor will it ever be.


Side Notes;
-Big XII is not adding Memphis, BYU, any school from the ACC or any school west of Oklahoma.
-The Big XII is a big boy conference that would gain nothing by adding your mid major program.
-The goal of a conference is not just to add teams. This is not musical schools. The United States is not a board game with each school being a monopoly piece. There has to be a financial incentive to expand.
-Oklahoma, not Texas is the jewel program in the Big XII from a football standpoint. Texas only has more money and a larger recruiting ground. We have the glory and the hardware to prove it.
-A pie cut ten ways renders a bigger piece than a pie with 12,14, 16 shares.

These are the facts. You can either learn to accept them, or continue to play the fool.

Any questions?

and yet they came 2 pac-12 "thanks but no thanks" away from joining......

If the Pac12 offers a deal to take Texas, OU and their respective tag-a-longs it will be a done deal.

What will be a shame is that OU will be a cultural outsider no matter what conference they go to.

personally I think both texas & oklahoma wanted into the pac12 a lot more than they let on publicly in the past.

(05-20-2014 02:52 PM)john01992 Wrote:  and yet they came 2 pac-12 "thanks but no thanks" away from joining......

I guess we are supposed to pretend that didn't happen or something. Those Tulsa World-obtained emails must have been fakes.

(05-20-2014 02:53 PM)john01992 Wrote:  personally I think both texas & oklahoma wanted into the pac12 a lot more than they let on publicly in the past.

This.

They want to stay with Texas, which is understandable. Those two are a package deal.

(05-20-2014 02:53 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  If the Pac12 offers a deal to take Texas, OU and their respective tag-a-longs it will be a done deal.

What will be a shame is that OU will be a cultural outsider no matter what conference they go to.

Wrong.

(05-20-2014 02:49 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  It makes no sense geographically or culturally. It wasn't going to happen in 2011 and it won't happen in 2025. This is not a matter of opinion. This is fact.

-The Pac 12 would never accept Oklahoma State.
-Texas wants no part of the Pac 12...and it never did.
-Oklahoma wants no part of the Pac...and it never did. (regardless of what you have heard)
-Oklahoma will not break ties with Oklahoma State(they are bound by state legislation)
-all Pac 12 schools would vote against the addition of Oklahoma.
-David Boren understands that joining an academic conference doesn't boost academics. It would have happened a long time ago if this was an actual argument.
-David Boren used a loose invite to the Pac to threaten Texas over the Longhorn network and unfair recruiting advantages.

Oklahoma has nothing in common with west coast football. Not from a fan perspective or a scheduling perspective. The Big XII is not about to expand. It is not about to dissolve. Your source is crap.

If Oklahoma ever ends up in another conference it will be the SEC. This is simply due to proximity, natural rivals, recruiting, cultural ties and money. The SEC invited OU in 2010 and was a day away from accepting the invite before Beebe was able to cut a deal keeping the Big XII intact. Anyone who doesn't understand this or denies it has no idea what they are talking about.

If you are one of these people who bought the line in 2011, you were made into the fool. This was never a possibility, nor will it ever be.


Side Notes;
-Big XII is not adding Memphis, BYU, any school from the ACC or any school west of Oklahoma.
-The Big XII is a big boy conference that would gain nothing by adding your mid major program.
-The goal of a conference is not just to add teams. This is not musical schools. The United States is not a board game with each school being a monopoly piece. There has to be a financial incentive to expand.
-Oklahoma, not Texas is the jewel program in the Big XII from a football standpoint. Texas only has more money and a larger recruiting ground. We have the glory and the hardware to prove it.
-A pie cut ten ways renders a bigger piece than a pie with 12,14, 16 shares.

These are the facts. You can either learn to accept them, or continue to play the fool.

Any questions?

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=5319856

Arkansas and Louisiana are already cultural outliers.

You don't fit it.

(05-20-2014 03:02 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Arkansas and Louisiana are already cultural outliers.

You don't fit it.

Anyway, if the Big XII ever did dissolve, a move east makes more cultural sense than a move west. That is a fact. Anyone who has lived in Pac 12 country understands this.

(05-20-2014 03:06 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(05-20-2014 03:02 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Arkansas and Louisiana are already cultural outliers.

You don't fit it.

Anyway, if the Big XII ever did dissolve, a move east makes more cultural sense than a move west. That is a fact. Anyone who has lived in Pac 12 country understands this.

I agree with that.

A collapse would be a shame though because you fit in where you are, nowhere else.

(05-20-2014 03:07 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(05-20-2014 03:06 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(05-20-2014 03:02 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Arkansas and Louisiana are already cultural outliers.

You don't fit it.

Anyway, if the Big XII ever did dissolve, a move east makes more cultural sense than a move west. That is a fact. Anyone who has lived in Pac 12 country understands this.

I agree with that.

A collapse would be a shame though because you fit in where you are, nowhere else.

Actually, many many of your fellow SEC fans were pleased as punch when the move almost occurred in 2010. The culture debate came up often and the phrase that was used in the media was "culturally akin."

I'm afraid your opinion is the outlier.

These are the facts, gentlemen. Oklahoma was not, and will not join the Pac 12.

Yeah, apparently we're supposed to pretend that whole incident with OU asking for a PAC escape card from the B12 and their reply of "no thanks" didn't happen.

That might be the party line in Norman but nowhere else.

(05-20-2014 03:15 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(05-20-2014 03:07 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(05-20-2014 03:06 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(05-20-2014 03:02 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Arkansas and Louisiana are already cultural outliers.

You don't fit it.

Anyway, if the Big XII ever did dissolve, a move east makes more cultural sense than a move west. That is a fact. Anyone who has lived in Pac 12 country understands this.

I agree with that.

A collapse would be a shame though because you fit in where you are, nowhere else.

Actually, many many of your fellow SEC fans were pleased as punch when the move almost occurred in 2010. The culture debate came up often and the phrase that was used in the media was "culturally akin."

I'm afraid your opinion is the outlier.

These are the facts, gentlemen. Oklahoma was not, and will not join the Pac 12.

You can tell yourself that.

(05-20-2014 02:49 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  It makes no sense geographically or culturally. It wasn't going to happen in 2011 and it won't happen in 2025. This is not a matter of opinion. This is fact.

-The Pac 12 would never accept Oklahoma State.
-Texas wants no part of the Pac 12...and it never did.
-Oklahoma wants no part of the Pac...and it never did. (regardless of what you have heard)
-Oklahoma will not break ties with Oklahoma State(they are bound by state legislation)
-all Pac 12 schools would vote against the addition of Oklahoma.
-David Boren understands that joining an academic conference doesn't boost academics. It would have happened a long time ago if this was an actual argument.
-David Boren used a loose invite to the Pac to threaten Texas over the Longhorn network and unfair recruiting advantages.

Oklahoma has nothing in common with west coast football. Not from a fan perspective or a scheduling perspective. The Big XII is not about to expand. It is not about to dissolve. Your source is crap.

If Oklahoma ever ends up in another conference it will be the SEC. This is simply due to proximity, natural rivals, recruiting, cultural ties and money. The SEC invited OU in 2010 and was a day away from accepting the invite before Beebe was able to cut a deal keeping the Big XII intact. Anyone who doesn't understand this or denies it has no idea what they are talking about.

If you are one of these people who bought the line in 2011, you were made into the fool. This was never a possibility, nor will it ever be.


Side Notes;
-Big XII is not adding Memphis, BYU, any school from the ACC or any school west of Oklahoma.
-The Big XII is a big boy conference that would gain nothing by adding your mid major program.
-The goal of a conference is not just to add teams. This is not musical schools. The United States is not a board game with each school being a monopoly piece. There has to be a financial incentive to expand.
-Oklahoma, not Texas is the jewel program in the Big XII from a football standpoint. Texas only has more money and a larger recruiting ground. We have the glory and the hardware to prove it.
-A pie cut ten ways renders a bigger piece than a pie with 12,14, 16 shares.

These are the facts. You can either learn to accept them, or continue to play the fool.

Any questions?

The lady doth protest too much, me thinks.

(05-20-2014 02:49 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  It makes no sense geographically or culturally. It wasn't going to happen in 2011 and it won't happen in 2025. This is not a matter of opinion. This is fact.

-The Pac 12 would never accept Oklahoma State.
-Texas wants no part of the Pac 12...and it never did.
-Oklahoma wants no part of the Pac...and it never did. (regardless of what you have heard)
-Oklahoma will not break ties with Oklahoma State(they are bound by state legislation)
-all Pac 12 schools would vote against the addition of Oklahoma.
-David Boren understands that joining an academic conference doesn't boost academics. It would have happened a long time ago if this was an actual argument.
-David Boren used a loose invite to the Pac to threaten Texas over the Longhorn network and unfair recruiting advantages.

Oklahoma has nothing in common with west coast football. Not from a fan perspective or a scheduling perspective. The Big XII is not about to expand. It is not about to dissolve. Your source is crap.

If Oklahoma ever ends up in another conference it will be the SEC. This is simply due to proximity, natural rivals, recruiting, cultural ties and money. The SEC invited OU in 2010 and was a day away from accepting the invite before Beebe was able to cut a deal keeping the Big XII intact. Anyone who doesn't understand this or denies it has no idea what they are talking about.

If you are one of these people who bought the line in 2011, you were made into the fool. This was never a possibility, nor will it ever be.


Side Notes;
-Big XII is not adding Memphis, BYU, any school from the ACC or any school west of Oklahoma.
-The Big XII is a big boy conference that would gain nothing by adding your mid major program.
-The goal of a conference is not just to add teams. This is not musical schools. The United States is not a board game with each school being a monopoly piece. There has to be a financial incentive to expand.
-Oklahoma, not Texas is the jewel program in the Big XII from a football standpoint. Texas only has more money and a larger recruiting ground. We have the glory and the hardware to prove it.
-A pie cut ten ways renders a bigger piece than a pie with 12,14, 16 shares.

These are the facts. You can either learn to accept them, or continue to play the fool.

Any questions?

Yeah..... why start another thread. I shot down your arguments on OU regarding the PAC in another thread and you never responded....so now you say the same things in a new thread. I do find it interesting that you make statements that you say will be factual in 2025.

With all due respect I will again counter some of your statements.

The PAC 12 was willing to take OSU as a package deal with Texas and OU. That has been well documented

In the original discusions Bill Powers would have taken Texas to the PAC in a heart beat, I think that was made clear when Scott first approached Texas.

Boren and the OU powers would have loved for OU to be in the PAC regardless what your one lone voice says.

You say Boren knows joining an academic conference does not boost academics....yet he and other President's have said it does.

I challenge you to show one shred of evidence that OU and OSU are bound to stay together because of legislation...

Can you prove all PAC 12 schools would vote against an OU invite?

I do not think ranting is necessary, but to each is own.

I do agree that the Big12 is not likely going to expand nor dissolve

(05-20-2014 03:23 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Yeah, apparently we're supposed to pretend that whole incident with OU asking for a PAC escape card from the B12 and their reply of "no thanks" didn't happen.

That might be the party line in Norman but nowhere else.

It was merely a bargaining ploy. It was never going to happen.

Some guy posted an article on this forum a while back saying the OU OSU hitch was bogus? Anybody have anything else on that?

Nobody wants OSU.