(05-20-2014 11:47 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  A couple of things to consider here.

1) BYU and Cincinnati to the Big 12 has been mentioned a lot.
2) The rumor coming out of Connecticut today is it will join the Big 10 in 30 days. When does Kansas speak?

Ok, if it happens Connecticut and Kansas to the Big 10 and BYU and Cincinnati to the Big 12, this will be the AAC:

Temple
Navy
Memphis
East Carolina
Central Florida
South Florida
Tulane
SMU
Houston
Tulsa

So which two do you add to get back to 12?

so..neither the Big 10 northe Big 12 are interested in getting into Florida...

(05-20-2014 11:13 AM)40smokingcannon Wrote:  

(05-20-2014 10:57 AM)Tigersmoke Wrote:  The big 12 is not going to look back at byu sorry. The aac is byu's best option, also I would take them as a full member along with sdsu, unlv, afa. Then call it a day and look for a new contract. Wouldn't that big of a change start new contract negotiations?

Yep. Invite BYU, San Diego St, Air Force and Colorado St. Hope they accept.

East: UConn, Cincy, UCF, USF, Temple, Memphis, ECU, Navy
West: Houston, SMU, Tulsa, Tulane, BYU, Air Force, Colorado St, SDSU

Markets: NYC (UConn?), Cincy, Tampa, Orlando, Philadelphia, Memphis, Houston, Dallas, New Orleans, San Diego, Denver (Col St?)

Navy vs Air Force yearly
BYU has national appeal because of religious ties
Navy/Air Force has national appeal because of military ties
UConn in the cream of the crop in mens and womens basketball
Cincy is strong in football and basketball
UCF is the Fiesta Bowl champs
USF can re-ignite their footbal lpower of a few years ago
Temple has national name recognition in basketball
Memphis has national name recognition in basketball
ECU delivers a football crazy fanbase and environment (looks good on TV)
Houston strong football and basketball, new stadium
SMU building a strong basketball name
Tulsa is traditionally strong in football, Academics
Tulane: Academics, new football stadium, New Orleans
Colorado St: Flagship (?), new football stadium
SDSU: Strong basketball, good football

Let's do this.

Umass and Northern Ilinois would have to be in the mix...Army as well with Airforce in the mix. Add the Ragin Cajuns and form multiple pods...maybe a pod with a tex mex feel...and Northern basketball kind of pod... interdivisional pod games... podcast to macro maximize the fact that we are "The American". This time we don't just light up times square.. I envision a hologram or laser light show...out WEST!

Let's Do This... Big Time!

(05-20-2014 11:46 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  In any case, I'm sure the buy-outs are nowhere near...even cumulatively...the $10MM buy-out for the AAC much less the $50MM buy out (not to mention the GoR) of the ACC...

Not to mention, they wouldn't necessarily be buying out all these games. You still have to have some OOC games.

Also they'd be buying out a lot of games where none have been played. The buy-outs are much less than if say one game has been played, but you are buying out the return game. In some of those cases, the buy-out might be zero: especially if BYU helps them with finding a replacement.

Go check out the UConn and BYU boards!

(05-20-2014 11:58 AM)No Bull Wrote:  

(05-20-2014 10:07 AM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  If BYU is able to make the Big 12 jump it's likely they take one lucky AAC team with them.

UConn... inevitably.

Cincy would likely be the frontrunner due to proximity. That and despite the Big 12 being a viable basketball conference, they absolutely have no interest in it when it comes to planning their future. Everything is football first, which hampers the value to them of UConn's two biggest assets. The Big Ten and ACC place much higher value in other sports and things beyond the gridiron.

Let us say that the Big 12 is firm on staying at 10 teams, BYU makes perfect sense. BYU replaces Kansas. Kansas and UConn take the Big to 16 teams.

If the Big 12 decides to go to 12 teams again, then it will probably be Cincinnati and one of these three: ECU, UCF or USF. This event would make the AAC a 9 team conference.

(05-20-2014 11:47 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  A couple of things to consider here.

1) BYU and Cincinnati to the Big 12 has been mentioned a lot.
2) The rumor coming out of Connecticut today is it will join the Big 10 in 30 days. When does Kansas speak?

Ok, if it happens Connecticut and Kansas to the Big 10 and BYU and Cincinnati to the Big 12, this will be the AAC:

Temple
Navy
Memphis
East Carolina
Central Florida
South Florida
Tulane
SMU
Houston
Tulsa

So which two do you add to get back to 12?

In that case I think that you add UMass all sports and push for Army as a football only. That would be 10 all sports members and 12 for football. Oddly enough the timing would work out well for UMass, because they would be leaving the MAC and they could use that period of time to clear up their football issues.

(05-20-2014 12:10 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(05-20-2014 11:58 AM)No Bull Wrote:  

(05-20-2014 10:07 AM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  If BYU is able to make the Big 12 jump it's likely they take one lucky AAC team with them.

UConn... inevitably.

Cincy would likely be the frontrunner due to proximity. That and despite the Big 12 being a viable basketball conference, they absolutely have no interest in it when it comes to planning their future. Everything is football first, which hampers the value to them of UConn's two biggest assets. The Big Ten and ACC place much higher value in other sports and things beyond the gridiron.

*IF* the Big 12 adds BYU there's no absolute reason to go to 12 considering the movement to eliminate that need for a champoinship game. So they might just stay at 11. IF they add it has to be a big name team or a good market. The only schools that work IMO are Cincinnati, UConn, UCF, and USF in that order.

(05-20-2014 11:24 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(05-20-2014 11:13 AM)40smokingcannon Wrote:  

(05-20-2014 10:57 AM)Tigersmoke Wrote:  The big 12 is not going to look back at byu sorry. The aac is byu's best option, also I would take them as a full member along with sdsu, unlv, afa. Then call it a day and look for a new contract. Wouldn't that big of a change start new contract negotiations?

Yep. Invite BYU, San Diego St, Air Force and Colorado St. Hope they accept.

East: UConn, Cincy, UCF, USF, Temple, Memphis, ECU, Navy
West: Houston, SMU, Tulsa, Tulane, BYU, Air Force, Colorado St, SDSU

Markets: NYC (UConn?), Cincy, Tampa, Orlando, Philadelphia, Memphis, Houston, Dallas, New Orleans, San Diego, Denver (Col St?)

Navy vs Air Force yearly
BYU has national appeal because of religious ties
Navy/Air Force has national appeal because of military ties
UConn in the cream of the crop in mens and womens basketball
Cincy is strong in football and basketball
UCF is the Fiesta Bowl champs
USF can re-ignite their footbal lpower of a few years ago
Temple has national name recognition in basketball
Memphis has national name recognition in basketball
ECU delivers a football crazy fanbase and environment (looks good on TV)
Houston strong football and basketball, new stadium
SMU building a strong basketball name
Tulsa is traditionally strong in football, Academics
Tulane: Academics, new football stadium, New Orleans
Colorado St: Flagship (?), new football stadium
SDSU: Strong basketball, good football

Let's do this.

There is a long-standing general rule about these things... You don't "invite" until and unless you know that they answer will be "YES."

Think how stupid the AAC will look when they go out publicly and "invite" BYU, SDSU, CSU, and Air Force and get turned down...

Yeah, let's do this...

Sorry Jerry. I'll try better next time.

(05-20-2014 12:07 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Go check out the UConn and BYU boards!

Because, when I want reliable information, that's where I look...

(05-20-2014 12:23 PM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  

(05-20-2014 12:10 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(05-20-2014 11:58 AM)No Bull Wrote:  

(05-20-2014 10:07 AM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  If BYU is able to make the Big 12 jump it's likely they take one lucky AAC team with them.

UConn... inevitably.

Cincy would likely be the frontrunner due to proximity. That and despite the Big 12 being a viable basketball conference, they absolutely have no interest in it when it comes to planning their future. Everything is football first, which hampers the value to them of UConn's two biggest assets. The Big Ten and ACC place much higher value in other sports and things beyond the gridiron.

*IF* the Big 12 adds BYU there's no absolute reason to go to 12 considering the movement to eliminate that need for a championship game. So they might just stay at 11. IF they add it has to be a big name team or a good market. The only schools that work IMO are Cincinnati, UConn, UCF, and USF in that order.

You can't play nine conference games with 11 teams. Mathematically impossible. So they would still need 12, or have to renegotiate their TV contract in the other direction. A CCG is of less importance in terms of 11 vs. 12. It's the number of conference games.

(05-20-2014 10:44 AM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(05-20-2014 10:07 AM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  If BYU is able to make the Big 12 jump it's likely they take one lucky AAC team with them.

Maybe not. The B12 seems quite content at 10 and they seem like a group that would simply stay at 11, simply because a 12th member wouldn't bring any additional revenues.

I don't see the BIG XII staying at 12; particularly if the NCAA does not allow them to hold a conference championship game with only 10 members (currently it requires 12). IMO the P5 (who all have at least 12-14 teams each except the BIG XII at 10) will not vote in the positive for it and force the BIG XII to take 2 more teams.

Who that will be is anyone's guess.

(05-20-2014 12:39 PM)SDSU-Alum2003 Wrote:  I don't see the BIG XII staying at 12; particularly if the NCAA does not allow them to hold a conference championship game with only 10 members (currently it requires 12). IMO the P5 (who all have at least 12-14 teams each except the BIG XII at 10) will not vote in the positive for it and force the BIG XII to take 2 more teams.

Who that will be is anyone's guess.

Quite the opposite. One, they really have no incentive to want them to have more teams (A CCG in the Big 12 with a round robin would severely handicap their chances of a playoff team), plus the conferences want some autonomy in scheduling, which is tied to the CCG. So no they won't vote it down to stick it to the Big 12.

I truly believe that only one of these two G5 conferences is going to survive. it will either be the AAC or the MWC.

(05-20-2014 12:38 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(05-20-2014 12:07 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Go check out the UConn and BYU boards!

Because, when I want reliable information, that's where I look...

The UCONN board (Boneyard) mimics my sentiment. It's nothing more than someone's wishful thinking at this point. We're not holding our collective breath. Someone else (outside of the UCONN community) needs to back it up before we can even consider it being true.

So is the guy an insider or not?

This was fun reading.

(05-20-2014 12:42 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  I truly believe that only one of these two G5 conferences is going to survive. it will either be the AAC or the MWC.

The AAC and MWC would just continue to back fill.

(05-20-2014 12:45 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  So is the guy an insider or not?

He has spoken with UCONN admins in the past so he does have sources. I just don't know that they would leak this earth-shattering kind of info to him.

I repeat the big 12 is happy as hades at 10. Byu can only start to have a chance at an invite if they can prove they are worth 20 mil a year. No big 12 teams are taking a pay cut just to add that headache program. Byu can come to the aac with 3 mwc teams and we would instantly worth 10/12 mil per team and the mwc and Boise would be shoot down