I think there's hardly any chance UT and OU would go anywhere other than the PAC #. They'd have to be accompanied with TT and OSU for political reasons. Some ACC fans talk about the possibility of Texas joining the ACC, but as an ACC fan myself I'm not sure why and how in the world that would happen. KU could have a shot at a Big 10 invite. However, I'm not sure who could partner with them as #16, unless Missouri chooses to leave the SEC for it's first choice in the Big 10. (which I think is very unlikely). WVU might be no.16 to the ACC if ND goes all in, but they have the serious problem of markets that will be all the more important if the ACC goes to a network model (and even if WVU brings some of Pittsburgh the ACC already has Pitt). Also there's the academic issue that got WVU rejected by the ACC and SEC 3 years ago, although now that Louisville's in the ACC the presidents may have gotten off the high horse. I don't really see WVU going to the SEC since they'd be an even worse geographical fit than TAMU and Missouri, they have no market (which will matter more than ever with the SEC Network), the academics aren't a positive even for the SEC and I have no idea who the SEC would possibly partner them with. Unless conferences are willing to lose money just to get to 4 16 team superconferences, I definitely can't imagine KSU, ISU, TCU or Baylor getting an invite anywhere.

I don't know what the truth was with the FSU/Clemson Big 12 saga. Maybe they might have gone if Deloss Dodds had been more proactive, although I think the rumors had more myth than truth to them. In any case, the Big 12 might have doomed itself by not expanding. Any of the Big 12 expansion candidates people are talking about (other than possibly BYU, but they'd have to be paired with a crappy team to get to 12) would be money diluters who are non-AQs for a reason.

The Big XII is not going to dissolve.

I am certain that Iowa State will join the MAC


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(05-19-2014 05:33 PM)lew240z Wrote:  The Big XII is not going to dissolve.

This

Texas and Oklahoma are joining the Big Sky. Big Sky will then start sponsoring FBS football, saving the Sun Belt from having Idaho as a football only member.


You can thank me later for the heads up.

(05-19-2014 05:26 PM)Vatech Wrote:  I think there's hardly any chance UT and OU would go anywhere other than the PAC #. They'd have to be accompanied with TT and OSU for political reasons. Some ACC fans talk about the possibility of Texas joining the ACC, but as an ACC fan myself I'm not sure why and how in the world that would happen. KU could have a shot at a Big 10 invite. However, I'm not sure who could partner with them as #16, unless Missouri chooses to leave the SEC for it's first choice in the Big 10. (which I think is very unlikely). WVU might be no.16 to the ACC if ND goes all in, but they have the serious problem of markets that will be all the more important if the ACC goes to a network model (and even if WVU brings some of Pittsburgh the ACC already has Pitt). Also there's the academic issue that got WVU rejected by the ACC and SEC 3 years ago, although now that Louisville's in the ACC the presidents may have gotten off the high horse. I don't really see WVU going to the SEC since they'd be an even worse geographical fit than TAMU and Missouri, they have no market (which will matter more than ever with the SEC Network), the academics aren't a positive even for the SEC and I have no idea who the SEC would possibly partner them with. Unless conferences are willing to lose money just to get to 4 16 team superconferences, I definitely can't imagine KSU, ISU, TCU or Baylor getting an invite anywhere.

I don't know what the truth was with the FSU/Clemson Big 12 saga. Maybe they might have gone if Deloss Dodds had been more proactive, although I think the rumors had more myth than truth to them. In any case, the Big 12 might have doomed itself by not expanding. Any of the Big 12 expansion candidates people are talking about (other than possibly BYU, but they'd have to be paired with a crappy team to get to 12) would be money diluters who are non-AQs for a reason.

I don't think that "markets" are anywhere close to as important as you're making them sound. Regardless, the Big XII isn't going to dissolve. I'm also not sure how rock solid those Texahoma ties really are.

Lol at the academic issue. The ACC proved it doesn't matter.

(05-19-2014 05:26 PM)Vatech Wrote:  I think there's hardly any chance UT and OU would go anywhere other than the PAC #. They'd have to be accompanied with TT and OSU for political reasons. Some ACC fans talk about the possibility of Texas joining the ACC, but as an ACC fan myself I'm not sure why and how in the world that would happen. KU could have a shot at a Big 10 invite. However, I'm not sure who could partner with them as #16, unless Missouri chooses to leave the SEC for it's first choice in the Big 10. (which I think is very unlikely). WVU might be no.16 to the ACC if ND goes all in, but they have the serious problem of markets that will be all the more important if the ACC goes to a network model (and even if WVU brings some of Pittsburgh the ACC already has Pitt). Also there's the academic issue that got WVU rejected by the ACC and SEC 3 years ago, although now that Louisville's in the ACC the presidents may have gotten off the high horse. I don't really see WVU going to the SEC since they'd be an even worse geographical fit than TAMU and Missouri, they have no market (which will matter more than ever with the SEC Network), the academics aren't a positive even for the SEC and I have no idea who the SEC would possibly partner them with. Unless conferences are willing to lose money just to get to 4 16 team superconferences, I definitely can't imagine KSU, ISU, TCU or Baylor getting an invite anywhere.

I don't know what the truth was with the FSU/Clemson Big 12 saga. Maybe they might have gone if Deloss Dodds had been more proactive, although I think the rumors had more myth than truth to them. In any case, the Big 12 might have doomed itself by not expanding. Any of the Big 12 expansion candidates people are talking about (other than possibly BYU, but they'd have to be paired with a crappy team to get to 12) would be money diluters who are non-AQs for a reason.

Oklahoma would end up in the SEC before it went to the Pac.

The Big XII is not dissolving. There are no rumors or chance of anything happening in the foreseeable future. I'm sorry. I know you want it to be so.

(05-19-2014 05:26 PM)Vatech Wrote:  I think there's hardly any chance UT and OU would go anywhere other than the PAC #. They'd have to be accompanied with TT and OSU for political reasons. Some ACC fans talk about the possibility of Texas joining the ACC, but as an ACC fan myself I'm not sure why and how in the world that would happen. KU could have a shot at a Big 10 invite. However, I'm not sure who could partner with them as #16, unless Missouri chooses to leave the SEC for it's first choice in the Big 10. (which I think is very unlikely). WVU might be no.16 to the ACC if ND goes all in, but they have the serious problem of markets that will be all the more important if the ACC goes to a network model (and even if WVU brings some of Pittsburgh the ACC already has Pitt). Also there's the academic issue that got WVU rejected by the ACC and SEC 3 years ago, although now that Louisville's in the ACC the presidents may have gotten off the high horse. I don't really see WVU going to the SEC since they'd be an even worse geographical fit than TAMU and Missouri, they have no market (which will matter more than ever with the SEC Network), the academics aren't a positive even for the SEC and I have no idea who the SEC would possibly partner them with. Unless conferences are willing to lose money just to get to 4 16 team superconferences, I definitely can't imagine KSU, ISU, TCU or Baylor getting an invite anywhere.

I don't know what the truth was with the FSU/Clemson Big 12 saga. Maybe they might have gone if Deloss Dodds had been more proactive, although I think the rumors had more myth than truth to them. In any case, the Big 12 might have doomed itself by not expanding. Any of the Big 12 expansion candidates people are talking about (other than possibly BYU, but they'd have to be paired with a crappy team to get to 12) would be money diluters who are non-AQs for a reason.

I see you are new to this board and probably do not realize this Big12 thing has been beaten to death. However, it is a boring time sports wise, so it is something to talk about.

First, the Big12 is not remotely likely to dissolve anytime soon. But to play along with the "what if" here are my thoughts.

If the PAC ever expands, it must surely be with Big12 schools.....most likely OU, OSU, Texas, Texas Tech AND possibly KU and KSU. Scott has shown an affection for KU basketball. That would give them three six team pods of:

Oregon, OSU, Wash, WSU, Cal and Stanford
UCLA, SO. Cal., AZ, ASU, Colorado and Utah
OU, OSU, UT, TT, KU, KSU

With a 9 game schedule each school would be able to play a mimimim of two california schools every year for recrutiing purposes.

If any of that ever happens, Iowa State becomes an attractive candidate for the ACC to partner with Louisville or possibly the Big10. Remember Iowa State is an AAU school with good academics, great fan support, a very good basketball program and expanding their football stadium to 61,000. They average over 50,000 in football and I think something close to 14,000 in basketball

I believe West Virginia would posssibly end up in the SEC, they do have a fairly good national brand name in football and seem to have a cultural fit with the SEC. The ACC is possible I guess, now that Louisville has been admitted

Baylor and TCU .....who knows. PAC would not want the religious affiliated schools. Big10 is out of the question. Don'
t think the SEC would care about them. Their only P5 hope would be the ACC as travel partners, if the ACC wanted to venture into Texas which I doubt. They are a near perfect fit for the ACC culturally, athletically and academically.

Not remotely likely to happen, but possible.

(05-19-2014 06:32 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(05-19-2014 05:26 PM)Vatech Wrote:  I think there's hardly any chance UT and OU would go anywhere other than the PAC #. They'd have to be accompanied with TT and OSU for political reasons. Some ACC fans talk about the possibility of Texas joining the ACC, but as an ACC fan myself I'm not sure why and how in the world that would happen. KU could have a shot at a Big 10 invite. However, I'm not sure who could partner with them as #16, unless Missouri chooses to leave the SEC for it's first choice in the Big 10. (which I think is very unlikely). WVU might be no.16 to the ACC if ND goes all in, but they have the serious problem of markets that will be all the more important if the ACC goes to a network model (and even if WVU brings some of Pittsburgh the ACC already has Pitt). Also there's the academic issue that got WVU rejected by the ACC and SEC 3 years ago, although now that Louisville's in the ACC the presidents may have gotten off the high horse. I don't really see WVU going to the SEC since they'd be an even worse geographical fit than TAMU and Missouri, they have no market (which will matter more than ever with the SEC Network), the academics aren't a positive even for the SEC and I have no idea who the SEC would possibly partner them with. Unless conferences are willing to lose money just to get to 4 16 team superconferences, I definitely can't imagine KSU, ISU, TCU or Baylor getting an invite anywhere.

I don't know what the truth was with the FSU/Clemson Big 12 saga. Maybe they might have gone if Deloss Dodds had been more proactive, although I think the rumors had more myth than truth to them. In any case, the Big 12 might have doomed itself by not expanding. Any of the Big 12 expansion candidates people are talking about (other than possibly BYU, but they'd have to be paired with a crappy team to get to 12) would be money diluters who are non-AQs for a reason.

I see you are new to this board and probably do not realize this Big12 thing has been beaten to death. However, it is a boring time sports wise, so it is something to talk about.

First the Big12 is not remotely likely to dissolve anytime soon. But to play along with the "what if" here are my thoughts.

If the PAC ever expands It must surely be with Big12 schools.....most likely OU, OSU, Texas, Texas Tech AND possibly KU and KSU. Scott has shown an affection for KU basketball. That would give them three six team pods of:

Oregon, OSU, Wash, WSU, Cal and Stanford
UCLA, SO. Cal. AZ, ASU, Colorado and Utah
OU, OSU, UT, TT, KU, KSU

With a 9 game schedule each school would be able to play a mimimim of two california schools every year for recrutiing purposes.

If any of that ever happens, Iowa State becomes an attractive candidate for the ACC to partner with Louisville or possibly the Big10. Remember Iowa State is an AAU school with good academics, great fan support, good basketball program and expanding their football stadium to 61,000.

I believe West Virginia would posssibly end up in the SEC, they do have a fairly good national brand name in football. The ACC is possible I guess, now that Louisville has been admitted

Baylor and TCU .....who knows. PAC would not want the religious affiliated schools. Big10 is out of the question. Their only P5 hope would be the ACC as travel partners, if the ACC wanted to venture into Texas which I doubt. Best guess would be the Mountain West.

Not remotely likely to happen, but possible.

Oklahoma will not end up in the Pac


Here is why:

1. It's not a cultural fit
2. Oklahoma will not leave Oklahoma State. The are bound by legislation.
3. All Pac schools will vote it down
4. There is more money to in the SEC.
5. The SEC is a cultural fit

Sorry

It would be a real shame if it were to dissolve, which it won't in my opinion. Texas loves having its own conference.

The schools are the best cultural fits with one another, nobody else.

I bet OUs choice would be the SEC. WVU would find itself in the AAC and Texas could go independent or to the PAC in a package deal with TTU. If it went independent then the AAC would get two new schools and the rest would scramble into other G5 conferences. Some might find themselves tumbling quite a way.

The only truly desirable schools out of the Big12 are Texas, OU, and Kansas in that order.

(05-19-2014 06:38 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  2. Oklahoma will not leave Oklahoma State. The are bound by legislation.

That is absolutely untrue. There is no legislation. They have different Boards of Regents. The tie is entirely familial and voluntary.

BTW, the administration of OU is adamantly opposed to the SEC. But, that doesn't matter since they are not going anywhere.

Big 12 Dissolves

Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, and Oklahoma State to SEC

Iowa State, Kansas, and Kansas State to B1G

West Virginia to ACC

Baylor and TCU to PAC

After Effect is
B1G adds Connecticut, Buffalo, and Missouri to get to 20.

SEC then adds Clemson and Florida State from ACC.
Then add East Carolina to get to 20.

ACC reloads with ND full member, Cincinnati, UCF, South Florida, Temple, Memphis, and Tulane to get to 20.

PAC then adds SMU, Houston, Fresno, San Diego State, Boise State, and BYU to get to twenty.

Each conference goes to four divisions for a 4 team conference playoff that leads to an 8 team national championship playoff with P4 conference champs, 3 At-Large, and One G4 school that comes from the lower conference playoffs winner.

G4 Conferences
MWC
WEST
Idaho, SJSU, Hawaii, UtSt, Nev., UNLV
MOUNTAIN
UNM, NMSU, CSU, AF, WYO, UTEP

SUNBELT/CUSA
WEST
UTSA, NT, Rice, TXST, Tulsa, Louisiana, LT
EAST
ULM, ArkSt, UAB, Troy, USA, MT, WKU

NEW EASTERN CONF
NORTH
UMASS, Army, Delaware, Navy, Marshall, JMU, Liberty
SOUTH
ODU, AppSt, Charlotte, GAST, GASOU, FAU,

MAC
EAST
Ohio, Miami (OH), Kent St, Toledo, BGSU, Akron, EKU
WEST
Ball St, NIU, EMU, CMU, WMU, Missouri St, North Dakota St


Group of four play an eleven game regular season. 8 conference 3 non. Twelfth game is conference championship. Then four conference champions go to a four team playoff to see who gets the G4 spot in the national championship playoff.

Power Conferences play 12 game schedule. 9 Conference and 3 non conference. Conference game includes 4 division games, 3 non division games, and one traditional rivalry conference game not in division. Last conference game is decided at end of season and would be the start of the four team conference playoff for the division leaders. The rest of the conference would just play another conference game against a non division school. In nonconference P4 teams must play at least one G4 team.
Power 4 teams that win conference tournament get auto bids to national playoff championship plus home field advantage for first round games. After first round tournament goes to neutral site.

Keep 26 bowl games for non tournament teams.

Texas
45% Pac12
35% SEC
15% Big Ten
5% ACC

Oklahoma
45% SEC
35% Pac12
15% Big Ten
5% ACC

Oklahoma State
45% SEC
35% Pac12
10% Big Ten
5% ACC
5% gets left behind

Texas Tech
50% Pac12
40% SEC
5% ACC
4% gets left behind
1% Big Ten

Kansas
40% SEC
32% gets left behind
15% Big Ten
8% Pac12
5% ACC

Kansas State
78% gets left behind
10% SEC
5% Big Ten
5% ACC
2% Pac12

Iowa State
66% gets left behind
15% Big Ten
8% Pac12
5% ACC
5% SEC

Baylor
60% gets left behind
35% SEC
5% ACC
0% Big Ten
0% Pac12

TCU
80% gets left behind
15% SEC
5% ACC
0% Big Ten
0% Pac12

WVU
75% ACC
20% SEC
5% gets left behind
0% Big Ten
0% Pac12

(05-19-2014 06:55 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  Big 12 Dissolves

Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, and Oklahoma State to SEC

Iowa State, Kansas, and Kansas State to B1G

West Virginia to ACC

Baylor and TCU to PAC

After Effect is
B1G adds Connecticut, Buffalo, and Missouri to get to 20.

SEC then adds Clemson and Florida State from ACC.
Then add East Carolina to get to 20.

ACC reloads with ND full member, Cincinnati, UCF, South Florida, Temple, Memphis, and Tulane to get to 20.

PAC then adds SMU, Houston, Fresno, San Diego State, Boise State, and BYU to get to twenty.

Each conference goes to four divisions for a 4 team conference playoff that leads to an 8 team national championship playoff with P4 conference champs, 3 At-Large, and One G4 school that comes from the lower conference playoffs winner.

G4 Conferences
MWC
WEST
Idaho, SJSU, Hawaii, UtSt, Nev., UNLV
MOUNTAIN
UNM, NMSU, CSU, AF, WYO, UTEP

SUNBELT/CUSA
WEST
UTSA, NT, Rice, TXST, Tulsa, Louisiana, LT
EAST
ULM, ArkSt, UAB, Troy, USA, MT, WKU

NEW EASTERN CONF
NORTH
UMASS, Army, Delaware, Navy, Marshall, JMU, Liberty
SOUTH
ODU, AppSt, Charlotte, GAST, GASOU, FAU,

MAC
EAST
Ohio, Miami (OH), Kent St, Toledo, BGSU, Akron, EKU
WEST
Ball St, NIU, EMU, CMU, WMU, Missouri St, Northern Iowa


Group of four play an eleven game regular season. 8 conference 3 non. Twelfth game is conference championship. Then four conference champions go to a four team playoff to see who gets the G4 spot in the national championship playoff.

Power Conferences play 12 game schedule. 9 Conference and 3 non conference. Conference game includes 4 division games, 3 non division games, and one traditional rivalry conference game not in division. Last conference game is decided at end of season and would be the start of the four team conference playoff for the division leaders. The rest of the conference would just play another conference game against a non division school. In nonconference P4 teams must play at least one G4 team.
Power 4 teams that win conference tournament get auto bids to national playoff championship plus home field advantage for first round games. After first round tournament goes to neutral site.

Keep 26 bowl games for non tournament teams.

I think that may be the least likely of scenarios.

God Save The Queen!!! ... H-E-L-P!!! ...

A lot of the "who goes where" would depend on how they perform in football over the next few years.

WVU and TCU are only in the Big 12 because they were red hot at the right time. Same for Utah in the Pac 12. Who knows what teams will be desirable in 10 years if/when the Big 12 breaks up?

Big 12 isn't breaking up btw

Iowa State and Kansas State will not be invited to the Big Ten... if the Big Ten expands westward it will be with Kansas and either Oklahoma or Mizzou... Kansas State doesnt cut it as a candidate and Iowa State would be blocked by Iowa.

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I don't think it will happen unless if everyone can be guaranteed a soft landing:

SEC - WVU, TCU
Pac 16 - UT, TTU, OU, OSU
ACC - ISU, Baylor
Big 10 - KU, KSU

Notre Dame would have to be able to maintain its current state, or at worst play six ACC games a year instead of five. Everyone but the Big 10 gets into Texas, and the SEC wins the DFW lottery.

I think either OU and it's tag-a-long go to the SEC, or nobody does. The SEC doesn't need or want any of the others.

Again, there are only three attractive candidates. The other schools don't help any potential conference.