I received this guest article from MSTiger (Clemson grad who spent time in Mississippi) which I posted this morning - LINK. Anyway, most of it is the usual stuff, but MSTiger pointed out something that I had not considered: if you take the final regular season standings from last year and apply the contract bowl rules for 2016-17, you get a Tiger/Gamecock rematch in the Orange Bowl. Hopefully this doesn't happen very often, but we could actually see that game played in November, then again on New Year's Day...

Here is a chart I just posted on my blog to help explain this scenario.



Basically, top 10 to 11 teams get in as either champs or at-large teams. Problem: at the end of the regular season, the ACC only had 1 team in the top 10.

Typically they would move one of the teams around, if a comparable bowl can be found.

(05-19-2014 11:07 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Here is a chart I just posted on my blog to help explain this scenario.



Basically, top 10 to 11 teams get in as either champs or at-large teams. Problem: at the end of the regular season, the ACC only had 1 team in the top 10.

SEC would then just swap Missouri and SC

(05-19-2014 12:25 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  Typically they would move one of the teams around, if a comparable bowl can be found.

(05-19-2014 12:29 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(05-19-2014 11:07 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Here is a chart I just posted on my blog to help explain this scenario.



Basically, top 10 to 11 teams get in as either champs or at-large teams. Problem: at the end of the regular season, the ACC only had 1 team in the top 10.

SEC would then just swap Missouri and SC

This is not a selection committee decision - it's a CONTRACT stipulation.

(05-19-2014 12:55 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(05-19-2014 12:25 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  Typically they would move one of the teams around, if a comparable bowl can be found.

(05-19-2014 12:29 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(05-19-2014 11:07 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Here is a chart I just posted on my blog to help explain this scenario.



Basically, top 10 to 11 teams get in as either champs or at-large teams. Problem: at the end of the regular season, the ACC only had 1 team in the top 10.

SEC would then just swap Missouri and SC

This is not a selection committee decision - it's a CONTRACT stipulation.

Contract also says they can avoid rematches.

(05-19-2014 01:08 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(05-19-2014 12:55 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(05-19-2014 12:25 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  Typically they would move one of the teams around, if a comparable bowl can be found.

(05-19-2014 12:29 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(05-19-2014 11:07 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Here is a chart I just posted on my blog to help explain this scenario.



Basically, top 10 to 11 teams get in as either champs or at-large teams. Problem: at the end of the regular season, the ACC only had 1 team in the top 10.

SEC would then just swap Missouri and SC

This is not a selection committee decision - it's a CONTRACT stipulation.

Contract also says they can avoid rematches.

The Orange Bowl contract? Do you have a link for that?

I thought the NEW contract says the bowls gain for flexiblity in which teams go where....??
FlossY out...

(05-19-2014 03:38 PM)HRFlossY Wrote:  I thought the NEW contract says the bowls gain for flexiblity in which teams go where....??
FlossY out...

That applies to the grouped bowls (Belk, Sun, Music City, TaxslayerGator, and Pinstripe, IIRC).

Doubt they'd pair them up again. Nobody really wants to see that rematch.

(05-19-2014 04:23 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  Doubt they'd pair them up again. Nobody really wants to see that rematch.

That may be true, but I'm not sure they'd have a choice (and if they made an exception for that, then the next thing you know Notre Dame would jump the SEC for the Orange Bowl... and they can't have THAT!!!)

They can't necessarily plug ND in since their appearances are limited. They can plug in a different SEC or Big Ten team.

(05-19-2014 01:16 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(05-19-2014 01:08 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(05-19-2014 12:55 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(05-19-2014 12:25 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  Typically they would move one of the teams around, if a comparable bowl can be found.

(05-19-2014 12:29 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(05-19-2014 11:07 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Here is a chart I just posted on my blog to help explain this scenario.



Basically, top 10 to 11 teams get in as either champs or at-large teams. Problem: at the end of the regular season, the ACC only had 1 team in the top 10.

SEC would then just swap Missouri and SC

This is not a selection committee decision - it's a CONTRACT stipulation.

Contract also says they can avoid rematches.

The Orange Bowl contract? Do you have a link for that?

The agreement stipulates rematches can be avoided if necessary. However, let's say you had a chance to get an FSU-Florida rematch. They might go for that.

If I remember right, the contract (or at least news reports on it) basically said that the Orange Bowl generally try to take the highest ranked Big Ten/SEC/Notre Dame while following the general guidelines of having the SEC in 3 times, the Big Ten 3 times, and Notre Dame twice over the 8 years (4 years it is not a playoff bowl). So there is some flexibility and I suspect there is some for rematches although it might select a compelling rematch anyway.

It's a contact, not a law. If all relevant parties agree to look the other way, they can do whatever they want. I don't know the exact details, so I'm not sure who all the relevant parties are, but I do think that there is a very high chance that we are making a mountain out of a mole hill.

(05-19-2014 08:22 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  It's a contact, not a law. If all relevant parties agree to look the other way, they can do whatever they want. I don't know the exact details, so I'm not sure who all the relevant parties are, but I do think that there is a very high chance that we are making a mountain out of a mole hill.

It's not like there's much REAL football stuff to argue about!

(05-19-2014 08:38 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(05-19-2014 08:22 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  It's a contact, not a law. If all relevant parties agree to look the other way, they can do whatever they want. I don't know the exact details, so I'm not sure who all the relevant parties are, but I do think that there is a very high chance that we are making a mountain out of a mole hill.

It's not like there's much REAL football stuff to argue about!

Oh come on! There's plenty to argue about, like which school has the best shade of orange, which school has the best fruit-based mascot, which is the best school named after a city which is named after an Italian city which was founded by the Greeks, and so on.

(05-20-2014 10:07 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(05-19-2014 08:38 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(05-19-2014 08:22 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  It's a contact, not a law. If all relevant parties agree to look the other way, they can do whatever they want. I don't know the exact details, so I'm not sure who all the relevant parties are, but I do think that there is a very high chance that we are making a mountain out of a mole hill.

It's not like there's much REAL football stuff to argue about!

Oh come on! There's plenty to argue about, like which school has the best shade of orange...

VIRGINIA TECH
Duh.