I have been thinking about all the items going on right now -- No divisions, Notre Dame, 8 vs 9 conf games, Maryland, and OOC ACC games. I now see a possible end game:

1) Notre Dame joins the ACC for all sports.
2) The ACC adds Navy(Football)/Georgetown(Olympic sports)
3) The ACC does away with divisions for 3 permanent rivals.
4) The ACC goes to a 7 game minimum conf schedule for FB -- 3 rivals plus 4 others. This way you play all in the 16 team conf every 3 years.
5) Teams can schedule more ACC teams for more than 7 games. ND plays only one more game (from its current 5) and gets Navy in conf.
6) Championship game is based on overall rank not conf rank.

The reason why this will happen:

Comcast / Time Warner and ESPN will make a deal. Comcast owns NBC. NBC owns ND. ESPN wants the ACC network / NBC needs content.
http://mashable.com/2014/02/13/comcast-t...erage-map/

My cut on permanent rivals:

Team 1 2 3
BC SU WF ND
SU BC PITT UL
PITT ND SU UM
UL NAVY VT SU
VT UVA UL CU
UVA VT UNC NAVY
NCST UNC DUKE WF
UNC NCST UVA DUKE
WF DUKE BC NCST
DUKE WF NCST UNC
CU GT FSU VT
GT CU UM FSU
FSU UM CU GT
UM FSU GT PITT
NAVY UL ND UVA
ND PITT NAVY BC

Might want to check FSU.

(05-18-2014 01:34 PM)swardy76 Wrote:  I have been thinking about all the items going on right now -- No divisions, Notre Dame, 8 vs 9 conf games, Maryland, and OOC ACC games. I now see a possible end game:

1) Notre Dame joins the ACC for all sports.
2) The ACC adds Navy(Football)/Georgetown(Olympic sports)
3) The ACC does away with divisions for 3 permanent rivals.
4) The ACC goes to a 7 game minimum conf schedule for FB -- 3 rivals plus 4 others. This way you play all in the 16 team conf every 3 years.
5) Teams can schedule more ACC teams for more than 7 games. ND plays only one more game (from its current 5) and gets Navy in conf.
6) Championship game is based on overall rank not conf rank.

The reason why this will happen:

Comcast / Time Warner and ESPN will make a deal. Comcast owns NBC. NBC owns ND. ESPN wants the ACC network / NBC needs content.
http://mashable.com/2014/02/13/comcast-t...erage-map/

My cut on permanent rivals:

Team 1 2 3
BC SU WF ND
SU BC PITT LU
PITT ND SU UM
LU NAVY VT SU
VT UVA LU CU
UVA VT UNC NAVY
NCST UNC DUKE WF
UNC NCST UVA DUKE
WF DUKE BC NCST
DUKE WF NCST UNC
CU GT FSU VT
GT CU UM GT
FSU UM CU FSU
UM FSU GT PITT
NAVY LU ND UVA
ND PITT NAVY BC

(05-18-2014 02:38 PM)Dasville Wrote:  Might want to check FSU.

Thanks fixed the typo.

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Sorry no Huskies in my end game unless the league goes to 18 (UCONN and UC) or UCONN joins for olympic sports with NAVY.

(05-18-2014 03:04 PM)swardy76 Wrote:  

Sorry no Huskies in my end game unless the league goes to 18 (UCONN and UC) or UCONN joins for olympic sports with NAVY.
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The only thing I would correct in your end game is ND involved as a full member. Otherwise nice effort.

(05-18-2014 03:10 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  The only thing I would correct in your end game is ND involved as a full member. Otherwise nice effort.

ND plays 5 games now. I'm saying they play 6 with Navy as a permanent 7.

When I looked at the Comcast map it IS the ACC. There has to be a way to grow the pie for everyone by uniting ESPN/ABC/ACC and Comcast/NBC/ND.

You guys need to stop wasting your time on figuring ways to get Notre Dame to join for football - if that ever happens, it won't be because the ACC schemed it, it'll be some outside force beyond the control of either the ACC or Notre Dame (IMO).

(05-18-2014 03:20 PM)swardy76 Wrote:  

(05-18-2014 03:10 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  The only thing I would correct in your end game is ND involved as a full member. Otherwise nice effort.

ND plays 5 games now. I'm saying they play 6 with Navy as a permanent 7.

When I looked at the Comcast map it IS the ACC. There has to be a way to grow the pie for everyone by uniting ESPN/ABC/ACC and Comcast/NBC/ND.

But, you are putting ND football under the authority/control/direction/banner of a conference.

That is the big thing, not so much one more game.

It is school identity, branding, marketing and status, much more so than scheduling.

That is your obstacle.

(05-18-2014 03:21 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  You guys need to stop wasting your time on figuring ways to get Notre Dame to join for football - if that ever happens, it won't be because the ACC schemed it, it'll be some outside force beyond the control of either the ACC or Notre Dame (IMO).

This... A lot of energy is wasted and ink, paper, thoughts, on something that won't happen.

If Navy joined in full boom you will get your 6th game but I doubt it will be worth it to have a Navy team that cannot compete week in and week out in the ACC.

God Bless your effort but it just don't see it happening. :)

(05-18-2014 03:21 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  You guys need to stop wasting your time on figuring ways to get Notre Dame to join for football - if that ever happens, it won't be because the ACC schemed it, it'll be some outside force beyond the control of either the ACC or Notre Dame (IMO).

100% agree with you.

I don't see it.

1) Notre Dame is no where close to giving up independence. Football alone is getting them $25million per year. As part of the ACC they would loose most of that.
2) I'm not a fan of but not opposed the Navy/Georgetown hybrid. I'd need to see proof that fans in DC would watch ACC games if Georgetown is not in them. That is, are Georgetown/DC fans going to watch FSU v Miami or Alabama v Georgia?
3) It was just announced the ACC was keeping divisions.
4) Conferences are looking for more content not less. There has never been a discussion, rumor, innuendo or even a single word about reducing the number of conference games.
5) ND already plays Navy. I don't think making that a conference game matters.
6) I don't think any conference wants their championship determined by other forces.

Comcast/NBC and ESPN/ABC are bitter competitors. The only agreement they are going to make is to disagree. ESPN doesn't care about an ACC network. Their only concern is if a lack of a network hurts the ACCs TV popularity.

(05-18-2014 03:42 PM)Wolfman Wrote:  I don't see it.

1) Notre Dame is no where close to giving up independence. Football alone is getting them $25million per year. As part of the ACC they would loose most of that.
2) I'm not a fan of but not opposed the Navy/Georgetown hybrid. I'd need to see proof that fans in DC would watch ACC games if Georgetown is not in them. That is, are Georgetown/DC fans going to watch FSU v Miami or Alabama v Georgia?
3) It was just announced the ACC was keeping divisions.
4) Conferences are looking for more content not less. There has never been a discussion, rumor, innuendo or even a single word about reducing the number of conference games.
5) ND already plays Navy. I don't think making that a conference game matters.
6) I don't think any conference wants their championship determined by other forces.

Comcast/NBC and ESPN/ABC are bitter competitors. The only agreement they are going to make is to disagree. ESPN doesn't care about an ACC network. Their only concern is if a lack of a network hurts the ACCs TV popularity.

1 - Yes has to make sense $ wise.
2 - Okay but what about NAVY / PITT or NAVY / UVA. And the Georgetown matchups in basketball ...
3 - I think they decided to not decide on divisions until the NCAA CCG request is decided.
4 - The compromises being discussed where one ACC team can play more conference games than another makes this possible. I'm saying 7 is the minimum but teams can and will play more. Except of course ND.
5 - It matters in that it is a game that counts towards the 7. NAVY, PITT, and BC every year plus 4 others ...
6 - Maybe not but having the top two based on national rank would be the most compelling for the conference as well as the nation. And if it included ND, even better!

FWIW, ND has Rice, Arizona St, Northwestern, Temple, Nevada, UMASS, and Army on it's schedule over the next 3 years.

(05-18-2014 01:34 PM)swardy76 Wrote:  I have been thinking about all the items going on right now -- No divisions, Notre Dame, 8 vs 9 conf games, Maryland, and OOC ACC games. I now see a possible end game:

1) Notre Dame joins the ACC for all sports.
2) The ACC adds Navy(Football)/Georgetown(Olympic sports)
3) The ACC does away with divisions for 3 permanent rivals.
4) The ACC goes to a 7 game minimum conf schedule for FB -- 3 rivals plus 4 others. This way you play all in the 16 team conf every 3 years.
5) Teams can schedule more ACC teams for more than 7 games. ND plays only one more game (from its current 5) and gets Navy in conf.
6) Championship game is based on overall rank not conf rank.

The reason why this will happen:

Comcast / Time Warner and ESPN will make a deal. Comcast owns NBC. NBC owns ND. ESPN wants the ACC network / NBC needs content.
http://mashable.com/2014/02/13/comcast-t...erage-map/

My cut on permanent rivals:

Team 1 2 3
BC SU WF ND
SU BC PITT LU
PITT ND SU UM
LU NAVY VT SU
VT UVA LU CU
UVA VT UNC NAVY
NCST UNC DUKE WF
UNC NCST UVA DUKE
WF DUKE BC NCST
DUKE WF NCST UNC
CU GT FSU VT
GT CU UM FSU
FSU UM CU GT
UM FSU GT PITT
NAVY LU ND UVA
ND PITT NAVY BC

1. Maybe some day.
2A. Don't want Navy. At all. Would be an awful addition.
2B. I wouldn't necessarily mind Gtown (or another school or few in their vein), but only if there's an ACC Network involved.
4. One big con against a 9-game schedule is that it creates an uneven home/away balance. Seven games does the same thing. Some schools have apparently complained about having to find 4 OOC opponents. Now you'd be making schools have to find 5 opponents? I don't think 8 vs 9 games will make much difference in "SOS" for the playoffs, but I think dropping down to 7 would definitely go over poorly.
5. Scheduling ACC as OOC is not a good alternative. It's the byproduct of crappy conference scheduling.
6. Terrible idea. My as well not even play conference games if the results don't matter.

I do think Comcast and ESPN could partner, sort of like Fox and ESPN did with the Pac 12. The only problem is that the ACC has literally nothing to sell for over another decade and ESPN owns everything until that point.

Who is LU?

(05-18-2014 07:30 PM)dgrace4cards Wrote:  Who is LU?

ooops!!. Thats fixed too. Welcome to the ACC!

(05-18-2014 04:14 PM)swardy76 Wrote:  

(05-18-2014 03:42 PM)Wolfman Wrote:  I don't see it.

1) Notre Dame is no where close to giving up independence. Football alone is getting them $25million per year. As part of the ACC they would loose most of that.
2) I'm not a fan of but not opposed the Navy/Georgetown hybrid. I'd need to see proof that fans in DC would watch ACC games if Georgetown is not in them. That is, are Georgetown/DC fans going to watch FSU v Miami or Alabama v Georgia?
3) It was just announced the ACC was keeping divisions.
4) Conferences are looking for more content not less. There has never been a discussion, rumor, innuendo or even a single word about reducing the number of conference games.
5) ND already plays Navy. I don't think making that a conference game matters.
6) I don't think any conference wants their championship determined by other forces.

Comcast/NBC and ESPN/ABC are bitter competitors. The only agreement they are going to make is to disagree. ESPN doesn't care about an ACC network. Their only concern is if a lack of a network hurts the ACCs TV popularity.

1 - Yes has to make sense $ wise.
2 - Okay but what about NAVY / PITT or NAVY / UVA. And the Georgetown matchups in basketball ...
3 - I think they decided to not decide on divisions until the NCAA CCG request is decided.
4 - The compromises being discussed where one ACC team can play more conference games than another makes this possible. I'm saying 7 is the minimum but teams can and will play more. Except of course ND.
5 - It matters in that it is a game that counts towards the 7. NAVY, PITT, and BC every year plus 4 others ...
6 - Maybe not but having the top two based on national rank would be the most compelling for the conference as well as the nation. And if it included ND, even better!

FWIW, ND has Rice, Arizona St, Northwestern, Temple, Nevada, UMASS, and Army on it's schedule over the next 3 years.

It is seriously not just about the money with ND.

Hell, ND could have joined the Big Ten if it were interested in the most TV dollars.

It is not. It is mostly concerned with keeping its identity.

If joining the ACC would earn ND $10 million a year more right now, I don't think it would even be seriously tempted.

Do you think the playoffs will expand to 6 or 8? I do.

Do you think they will give 6 autobids (5 powers + top non-power)? Assuming the majors don't separate from the rest, I think this would likely happen.

Do you think the autobids would have any impact on ND's thinking? I do, but I'm not suggesting it would change it enough for you/them to join a conference.

(05-18-2014 07:40 PM)swardy76 Wrote:  

(05-18-2014 07:30 PM)dgrace4cards Wrote:  Who is LU?

ooops!!. Thats fixed too. Welcome to the ACC!

(05-18-2014 10:12 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  Do you think the playoffs will expand to 6 or 8? I do.

Do you think they will give 6 autobids (5 powers + top non-power)? Assuming the majors don't separate from the rest, I think this would likely happen.

Do you think the autobids would have any impact on ND's thinking? I do, but I'm not suggesting it would change it enough for you/them to join a conference.

+1 on all counts.