(05-17-2014 09:49 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(05-17-2014 03:11 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  I hate Dennis Dodd, such a ND fan boy. That said, at least BYU is now talking about joining a Conference.

I think Aresco is doing a good job reeling in BYU. It's clearly been his plan and he's put in a lot of groundwork to get the deal done. AAC has been scheduling with BYU and have had successful arrangements. I like that they are now tied in with us for the Miami Bowl. Aresco is a TV guy and can make something happen, fingers crossed for new contract.

Remember MWC got suckered into a bad tv deal with Boise State. The centerpiece of the deal, and a provision unique to Boise State among its MWC peers, is the ability for the Broncos to negotiate its own television deal for all home games. Can the MWC afford to offer that kind of deal again? Boise State has gone straight to the gutter ever since that ink dried.

BSU can negotiate its own tv deal, but the deal still gets split among conference members. the purpose of that deal at the time was to ensure BSU still gets nationally televised games on ESPN for the purpose of exposure to protect them in the polls during one of their marketing runs.

lol no, the deal was set up to be split even but will never be split even, the rest of the mwc plays on cbssports (remember that) and boise signed a tv deal with espn. heres the sweetheart part, boise made the mwc sign a deal that any team on national television gets the teams get a 500k bonus (channels include abc, cbs, nbc , fox..and espn) note no cbssports. heres the magically part, according to boise tv contract with espn, espn has to televise atleast 3 boise games a year. boise is guaranteed 3 bonuses a year (potentially more), where do these bonuses come from? by subtracting from the total tv revenue from the rest of the league

(05-17-2014 10:01 AM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(05-17-2014 09:49 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(05-17-2014 09:45 AM)Bleeds_Purple Wrote:  I think we should force the hand of the power 5 to make it a power 6. If we can get BYU to say yes Boise State Fresno State and San Diego State will follow we would be a 16 team best of the rest from coast to coast killing the MWC there would be no bones about we would be way better than the G4 leagues.

iF BYU decides to join for football only I think Aresco would target Air Force as #14

AAC basketball is to good to pass up... If I was BYU, I would want full membership in the AAC.

For all of our ungainly sprawl, the AAC is still just way too far-removed culturally and geographically. Who in Provo Utah really wants to see their team play Temple, Memphis, and UConn? It makes no sense.

You only make that kind of move if the money is just too good to pass up (think WVU to the Big 12). And our money is, sadly, not anywhere near too good to pass up.

(05-17-2014 10:01 AM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(05-17-2014 09:49 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(05-17-2014 09:45 AM)Bleeds_Purple Wrote:  I think we should force the hand of the power 5 to make it a power 6. If we can get BYU to say yes Boise State Fresno State and San Diego State will follow we would be a 16 team best of the rest from coast to coast killing the MWC there would be no bones about we would be way better than the G4 leagues.

iF BYU decides to join for football only I think Aresco would target Air Force as #14

AAC basketball is to good to pass up... If I was BYU, I would want full membership in the AAC.

Not sure if they would want all sports right off the bat it adds too much cost for the nonolympic sports. That's why I'm saying IF they join it would be football only with Air Force as the target for 14.
If as you said they wanted for all sports then it might make more sense to go to 16 with schools like SDSU and UNLV and break the Olympic sports into pods
West
BYU,SDSU,Air Force,UNLV
Southwest
SMU,Tulsa,Houston,Tulane
Midwest-Florida
Cincinnati ,Memphis,USF,UCF
East
UConn,Temple,ECU,VCU

(05-17-2014 10:10 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-17-2014 10:01 AM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(05-17-2014 09:49 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(05-17-2014 09:45 AM)Bleeds_Purple Wrote:  I think we should force the hand of the power 5 to make it a power 6. If we can get BYU to say yes Boise State Fresno State and San Diego State will follow we would be a 16 team best of the rest from coast to coast killing the MWC there would be no bones about we would be way better than the G4 leagues.

iF BYU decides to join for football only I think Aresco would target Air Force as #14

AAC basketball is to good to pass up... If I was BYU, I would want full membership in the AAC.

The AAC is just way too far-removed culturally and geographically. Who in Provo Utah really wants to see their team play Temple, Memphis, and UConn? It makes no sense.

You only make that kind of move if the money is just too good to pass up (think WVU to the Big 12). And our money is, sadly, not anywhere near too good to pass up.

Here is an interesting fact for you Quo
2014
BYU plays THREE AAC schools ALL games already scheduled for tv on ESPN
BYU plays FOUR MWC schools only Boise is scheduled got ESPzn or ESPN2

Yes money talks and BYU is not coming over unless the tv deal is the same or better than what they currently have. This is the reason I say they aren't moving in next couple of years BUT as I show above ESPN does seem to value their match ups vs AAC than MWC

Looks like ole Mike Aresco was out in front of the crowd again. He saw this BYU problem coming and he is on it.

(05-17-2014 10:10 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-17-2014 10:01 AM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(05-17-2014 09:49 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(05-17-2014 09:45 AM)Bleeds_Purple Wrote:  I think we should force the hand of the power 5 to make it a power 6. If we can get BYU to say yes Boise State Fresno State and San Diego State will follow we would be a 16 team best of the rest from coast to coast killing the MWC there would be no bones about we would be way better than the G4 leagues.

iF BYU decides to join for football only I think Aresco would target Air Force as #14

AAC basketball is to good to pass up... If I was BYU, I would want full membership in the AAC.

For all of our ungainly sprawl, the AAC is still just way too far-removed culturally and geographically. Who in Provo Utah really wants to see their team play Temple, Memphis, and UConn? It makes no sense.

You only make that kind of move if the money is just too good to pass up (think WVU to the Big 12). And our money is, sadly, not anywhere near too good to pass up.

You are not even considering the LDS aspect, and (as THEY have said) exposure is their primary motovation. Your argument would apply to any other school. Church does not gain exposure playing in the small mtn towns. They do want to play in the larger markets.We shall see...

(05-17-2014 10:15 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(05-17-2014 10:10 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-17-2014 10:01 AM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(05-17-2014 09:49 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(05-17-2014 09:45 AM)Bleeds_Purple Wrote:  I think we should force the hand of the power 5 to make it a power 6. If we can get BYU to say yes Boise State Fresno State and San Diego State will follow we would be a 16 team best of the rest from coast to coast killing the MWC there would be no bones about we would be way better than the G4 leagues.

iF BYU decides to join for football only I think Aresco would target Air Force as #14

AAC basketball is to good to pass up... If I was BYU, I would want full membership in the AAC.

The AAC is just way too far-removed culturally and geographically. Who in Provo Utah really wants to see their team play Temple, Memphis, and UConn? It makes no sense.

You only make that kind of move if the money is just too good to pass up (think WVU to the Big 12). And our money is, sadly, not anywhere near too good to pass up.

Here is an interesting fact for you Quo
2014
BYU plays THREE AAC schools ALL games already scheduled for tv on ESPN
BYU plays FOUR MWC schools only Boise is scheduled got ESPzn or ESPN2

Yes money talks and BYU is not coming over unless the tv deal is the same or better than what they currently have. This is the reason I say they aren't moving in next couple of years BUT as I show above ESPN does seem to value their match ups vs AAC than MWC

Those are one-shot series and therefore have a novelty factor that stokes interest. Would BYU fans want to see their team play at UConn and then home versus UConn? Sure, there's a modicum of interest in that.

But a conference membership means playing a team over and over, year in and year out. That requires a much deeper geographical/cultural level of interest. IMO, given the vast cultural gap, AAC money would have to be a lot better than MWC money for BYU to make that leap, not merely the same or a little better.

(05-17-2014 10:19 AM)Bull Wrote:  

(05-17-2014 10:10 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-17-2014 10:01 AM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(05-17-2014 09:49 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(05-17-2014 09:45 AM)Bleeds_Purple Wrote:  I think we should force the hand of the power 5 to make it a power 6. If we can get BYU to say yes Boise State Fresno State and San Diego State will follow we would be a 16 team best of the rest from coast to coast killing the MWC there would be no bones about we would be way better than the G4 leagues.

iF BYU decides to join for football only I think Aresco would target Air Force as #14

AAC basketball is to good to pass up... If I was BYU, I would want full membership in the AAC.

For all of our ungainly sprawl, the AAC is still just way too far-removed culturally and geographically. Who in Provo Utah really wants to see their team play Temple, Memphis, and UConn? It makes no sense.

You only make that kind of move if the money is just too good to pass up (think WVU to the Big 12). And our money is, sadly, not anywhere near too good to pass up.

You are not even considering the LDS aspect, and (as THEY have said) exposure is their primary motovation. Your argument would apply to any other school. Church does not gain exposure playing in the small mtn towns. They do want to play in the larger markets.We shall see...

I'm not saying BYU to the AAC is impossible. Stranger things have happened. But ...

BYU has played in five conferences over the past 90+ years: Rocky Mountain, Mountain States, Skyline, WAC, and MWC, and they've always had the same LDS mission. So what makes you think that regularly playing at Memphis and East Carolina would now be a priority?

BYU gets its national exposure by playing on national television.

(05-17-2014 10:22 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-17-2014 10:15 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(05-17-2014 10:10 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-17-2014 10:01 AM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(05-17-2014 09:49 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  iF BYU decides to join for football only I think Aresco would target Air Force as #14

AAC basketball is to good to pass up... If I was BYU, I would want full membership in the AAC.

The AAC is just way too far-removed culturally and geographically. Who in Provo Utah really wants to see their team play Temple, Memphis, and UConn? It makes no sense.

You only make that kind of move if the money is just too good to pass up (think WVU to the Big 12). And our money is, sadly, not anywhere near too good to pass up.

Here is an interesting fact for you Quo
2014
BYU plays THREE AAC schools ALL games already scheduled for tv on ESPN
BYU plays FOUR MWC schools only Boise is scheduled got ESPzn or ESPN2

Yes money talks and BYU is not coming over unless the tv deal is the same or better than what they currently have. This is the reason I say they aren't moving in next couple of years BUT as I show above ESPN does seem to value their match ups vs AAC than MWC

Those are one-shot series and therefore have a novelty factor that stokes interest. Would BYU fans want to see their team play at UConn and then home versus UConn? Sure, there's a modicum of interest in that.

But a conference membership means playing a team over and over, year in and year out. That requires a much deeper geographical/cultural level of interest. IMO, given the vast cultural gap, AAC money would have to be a lot better than MWC money for BYU to make that leap, not merely the same or a little better.

Pretty sure we have a 4 year home and home with BYU. Not a one time deal.

but back to point itll be decided in 4-5 years and the deciding factor will be can byu win games.

if byu somehow pull multiple undefeated seasons somehow makes the playoff and wins a national champion theyy will be given ND status

if byu gets elite somehow regular top 10-15 finishes but not good enough for the playoff a p5 will surely pick them up (most likely big 12)

if they remain the same a regular 8-9 win team, they will remain indy or join the american if we have increased our profile by them (taking 1-3 other mwc with us)
(they wont join the mwc because they believe they are above that and i honestly dont see the mwc increasing its profile as a whole by anymeans)

if they have a collapse and have a stretch of nonbowl eligibilty they will join the mwc for convenience

(05-17-2014 10:11 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(05-17-2014 10:01 AM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(05-17-2014 09:49 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(05-17-2014 09:45 AM)Bleeds_Purple Wrote:  I think we should force the hand of the power 5 to make it a power 6. If we can get BYU to say yes Boise State Fresno State and San Diego State will follow we would be a 16 team best of the rest from coast to coast killing the MWC there would be no bones about we would be way better than the G4 leagues.

iF BYU decides to join for football only I think Aresco would target Air Force as #14

AAC basketball is to good to pass up... If I was BYU, I would want full membership in the AAC.

Not sure if they would want all sports right off the bat it adds too much cost for the nonolympic sports. That's why I'm saying IF they join it would be football only with Air Force as the target for 14.
If as you said they wanted for all sports then it might make more sense to go to 16 with schools like SDSU and UNLV and break the Olympic sports into pods
West
BYU,SDSU,Air Force,UNLV
Southwest
SMU,Tulsa,Houston,Tulane
Midwest-Florida
Cincinnati ,Memphis,USF,UCF
East
UConn,Temple,ECU,VCU

Interesting and very competitive pods, I must say.

(05-17-2014 10:11 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(05-17-2014 10:01 AM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(05-17-2014 09:49 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(05-17-2014 09:45 AM)Bleeds_Purple Wrote:  I think we should force the hand of the power 5 to make it a power 6. If we can get BYU to say yes Boise State Fresno State and San Diego State will follow we would be a 16 team best of the rest from coast to coast killing the MWC there would be no bones about we would be way better than the G4 leagues.

iF BYU decides to join for football only I think Aresco would target Air Force as #14

AAC basketball is to good to pass up... If I was BYU, I would want full membership in the AAC.

Not sure if they would want all sports right off the bat it adds too much cost for the nonolympic sports. That's why I'm saying IF they join it would be football only with Air Force as the target for 14.
If as you said they wanted for all sports then it might make more sense to go to 16 with schools like SDSU and UNLV and break the Olympic sports into pods
West
BYU,SDSU,Air Force,UNLV
Southwest
SMU,Tulsa,Houston,Tulane
Midwest-Florida
Cincinnati ,Memphis,USF,UCF
East
UConn,Temple,ECU,VCU

vcu? they dont play fbs football if this were to somehow come to fruition you are looking at umass not vcu

(05-17-2014 10:38 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(05-17-2014 10:11 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(05-17-2014 10:01 AM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(05-17-2014 09:49 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(05-17-2014 09:45 AM)Bleeds_Purple Wrote:  I think we should force the hand of the power 5 to make it a power 6. If we can get BYU to say yes Boise State Fresno State and San Diego State will follow we would be a 16 team best of the rest from coast to coast killing the MWC there would be no bones about we would be way better than the G4 leagues.

iF BYU decides to join for football only I think Aresco would target Air Force as #14

AAC basketball is to good to pass up... If I was BYU, I would want full membership in the AAC.

Not sure if they would want all sports right off the bat it adds too much cost for the nonolympic sports. That's why I'm saying IF they join it would be football only with Air Force as the target for 14.
If as you said they wanted for all sports then it might make more sense to go to 16 with schools like SDSU and UNLV and break the Olympic sports into pods
West
BYU,SDSU,Air Force,UNLV
Southwest
SMU,Tulsa,Houston,Tulane
Midwest-Florida
Cincinnati ,Memphis,USF,UCF
East
UConn,Temple,ECU,VCU

vcu? they dont play fbs football if this were to somehow come to fruition you are looking at umass not vcu

That's NOT football that's the Olympic sports breakdown you need VCU to make up for Navy football only and still create four pods with some geographic footprint

(05-17-2014 10:08 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  The MWC, in terms of culture, geography, and competition level, is the obvious home for BYU should it join a conference.

Some truth in that, but it omits the fact that culture, geography, and competitive level are (alas) incidental to most conference-alignment decisions nowadays.

(05-17-2014 10:43 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(05-17-2014 10:08 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  The MWC, in terms of culture, geography, and competition level, is the obvious home for BYU should it join a conference.

Some truth in that, but it omits the fact that culture, geography, and competitive level are (alas) incidental to most conference-alignment decisions nowadays.

And more importantly EGO. I would love to hear how the BYU leaders explain to their supporters and LDS that they are going back to the MWC a conference that they left because they said was inferior to them and could do much better as an Indy. They would have to admit that they FAILED and that they are no better than Utah Dtate and San Jose State don't think BYU has the stomach to take that poison pill any time soon

If BYU had to join a conference, why wouldn't they make a push for the Big 12? I'm not saying the Big 12 would take them, but I think they would definitely make it a priority over the American or MWC.

AAC and MWC should merge!

(05-17-2014 07:58 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(05-17-2014 07:35 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  It is over. They will be one of the better MWC teams but far from the past. There isn't a lot to offer elite talent to Idaho. That isn't saying they will suck either, but unless you're recruiting at a high level with good coaches, it can't last.

They did have a great run though. Even got a special deal from the mwc.

Actually, most of Boise's talent came from JUCO sources and California. They've only been down a year, calm down.

Boise is in a strategically difficult position. It is in a relatively sparsely populated and poor state with a dearth of D-1 football players. Travel to and from Boise is not easy. Despite their outstanding success, they do not always sell out their 37k stadium.

(05-17-2014 11:00 AM)UofLgrad07 Wrote:  If BYU had to join a conference, why wouldn't they make a push for the Big 12? I'm not saying the Big 12 would take them, but I think they would definitely make it a priority over the American or MWC.

They can use the AAC as a stepping stone while simultaneously pursuing the Big 12.

(05-17-2014 09:49 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(05-17-2014 09:45 AM)Bleeds_Purple Wrote:  I think we should force the hand of the power 5 to make it a power 6. If we can get BYU to say yes Boise State Fresno State and San Diego State will follow we would be a 16 team best of the rest from coast to coast killing the MWC there would be no bones about we would be way better than the G4 leagues.

iF BYU decides to join for football only I think Aresco would target Air Force as #14

I have to chuckle somewhat that many of you talk of the BYU-MW bridges as being "burned" and "dynamited" but then think that the AAC-AFA bridges are somehow still there...

IF BYU "dynamited" it's bridge to the MW, THEN what do you call what the Air Force Academy did in it's talks with the nascent American Conference last year??? I mean seriously here... They blew up that bridge more spectacularly than BYU ever did with the MW. And then their extremely loud proclamation that the AFA would never leave their main rivals on the Front Range of the Rockies (Colorado State, New Mexico, and Wyoming) sounded pretty definitive to me.