(05-17-2014 04:50 AM)PuddlePirate Wrote:  

(05-17-2014 12:19 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-16-2014 10:09 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(05-16-2014 09:15 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  Saban needs to put his money where his mouth is and actually schedule that way, if he truly believes that. But he won't. He'll keep scheduling his one good p5 team and 3 cupcakes and act all full of himself and blame the system as to why he won't do what he suggests.

Exactly... They talk a big game, but when it comes to scheduling AAC worthy competitive opponents, but instead they come up with 1,000 lame nancy cupcake excuses.

This criticism of Saban makes little sense. It's only reasonable to expect a P5 school to schedule only other P5 if every other P5 is too. If you do it by yourself, it's suicide.

Pirates fans are rapidly revealing themselves as among the least realistic and most blind AAC fanboys around. Not all. That dude with the orange football shaped avatar makes some good points, but when one looks at ridiculous posts around here, if it isn't by BigEastHomer or a Houston fan, it's usually by an ECU fan.

That's sad, because I remember that during the Big East days, when ECU was seeking membership all those years, Pirates fans who visited the board were usually highly coherent and maintained that coherence even when subject to the brickbats of fans of existing Big East schools that didn't want ECU to be invited (and they usually got a LOT of brickbats thrown at them).

This is a good example. I made the very correct point that it is churlish and silly to say that if Saban truly believes that P5 schools should only play other P5 schools, that he should "put his money where his mouth is" and go ahead do Alabama's schedule that way without waiting for a P5-wide rule. It's like saying that if Bill Gates thinks taxes should be raised on "the rich", he should just go ahead and donate more of his money to the government. It is absurd, since that wouldn't address the issue Gates is raising, and neither would Saban doing the same. And yet this is the response I get? From a fan of a school not even competing in AAC athletics yet?

Sabin is full of it, but don't be surprised if eventually most of the P5 play 10 P5 every year. That makes it much harder on G5 to get P5 games. the 1-1 deals will be over. even 2-1's will be rare. Body bag games will be the order of the day, while the P5 pay for the home games they desire. And the Gang will give in for less $$ at that, because there will be so much competition on the Gang side for so few games.

(05-17-2014 12:19 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-16-2014 10:09 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(05-16-2014 09:15 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  Saban needs to put his money where his mouth is and actually schedule that way, if he truly believes that. But he won't. He'll keep scheduling his one good p5 team and 3 cupcakes and act all full of himself and blame the system as to why he won't do what he suggests.

Exactly... They talk a big game, but when it comes to scheduling AAC worthy competitive opponents, but instead they come up with 1,000 lame nancy cupcake excuses.

This criticism of Saban makes little sense. It's only reasonable to expect a P5 school to schedule only other P5 if every other P5 is too. If you do it by yourself, it's suicide.

No, Alabama is the cream of the crop. They should lead by example. If they want the whole SEC to play P5 opponents exclusively, then do it and prove it can be done. Show the doubters out there that you can continue to get your 8 home games or 7 home games + 1 neutral site game while playing exclusively P5 opponents (note: it can't be done). Until he does that, he's blowing illogical smoke.

(05-17-2014 12:24 AM)Brian Reading Wrote:  

(05-16-2014 07:27 PM)IceJus10 Wrote:  Wisconsin (in Texas)

Wait, why is Alabama playing Wisconsin in Texas, and where? Most Texans couldn't care less about these two teams unless it were a bowl game perhaps.

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

It's for the same reason Arizona St played Notre Dame in Texas this past season. The game will most likely get a primetime slot in ABC, which will bring top dollar advertisers. It's a top tier bowl game within the season, at AT&T Stadium.

(05-17-2014 12:19 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-16-2014 10:09 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(05-16-2014 09:15 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  Saban needs to put his money where his mouth is and actually schedule that way, if he truly believes that. But he won't. He'll keep scheduling his one good p5 team and 3 cupcakes and act all full of himself and blame the system as to why he won't do what he suggests.

Exactly... They talk a big game, but when it comes to scheduling AAC worthy competitive opponents, but instead they come up with 1,000 lame nancy cupcake excuses.

This criticism of Saban makes little sense. It's only reasonable to expect a P5 school to schedule only other P5 if every other P5 is too. If you do it by yourself, it's suicide.

to an extent you have a point BUT their point still stands, alabama wouldnt play all p5 its an unneccasry risk by themselves.. BUT alabama still has one of weekest OOC on a year in and year out basis. numeorus school as is have a no fcs policiy and the entire big 10 wilL stop doing it in 2 years, but for a coach talking about he wants only p5 he sure does enjoy fcs games. and then they schedules the weekest G5 possible , they ALWAYS target the recent fcs to fbs transitional, old dominion said they turned down bama who wanted to play them their first year in the fbs as it would destroy their team, and they played goergia state in their first fbs season last year. they play 2 basically fcs teams a year and fill the last one with a weak sunbelt and/or an impossible to lose game. they haven't scheduled southern miss in a decade the first time they schedule is after they collapse and are a 0-12 team

he is hypocritical their OOC is a joke compared to the standard and trying to say everyone should have tough OOC

Two things to keep in mind.

#1. Coaches don't have to worry about paying the bills. Their job is to win football games and field competitive teams, not balance the budget.

#2. Coaches usually don't make the schedule. They might give input on who they'd like to play and they might voice opinions on who they think they should play. However, it is usually the AD or an assistant AD who makes the calls and signs the contracts.

Saban is probably being honest in his desire to see full P5 schedules. Is it an unrealistic wish? Absolutely because the financial reality is Alabama needs those home games for budgetary purposes. But Saban isn't the AD and it isn't his job to balance the budget. He's paid to win games and that is probably why he didn't consider the financial side of things.

(05-17-2014 06:49 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-17-2014 04:50 AM)PuddlePirate Wrote:  

(05-17-2014 12:19 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-16-2014 10:09 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(05-16-2014 09:15 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  Saban needs to put his money where his mouth is and actually schedule that way, if he truly believes that. But he won't. He'll keep scheduling his one good p5 team and 3 cupcakes and act all full of himself and blame the system as to why he won't do what he suggests.

Exactly... They talk a big game, but when it comes to scheduling AAC worthy competitive opponents, but instead they come up with 1,000 lame nancy cupcake excuses.

This criticism of Saban makes little sense. It's only reasonable to expect a P5 school to schedule only other P5 if every other P5 is too. If you do it by yourself, it's suicide.

Pirates fans are rapidly revealing themselves as among the least realistic and most blind AAC fanboys around. Not all. That dude with the orange football shaped avatar makes some good points, but when one looks at ridiculous posts around here, if it isn't by BigEastHomer or a Houston fan, it's usually by an ECU fan.

That's sad, because I remember that during the Big East days, when ECU was seeking membership all those years, Pirates fans who visited the board were usually highly coherent and maintained that coherence even when subject to the brickbats of fans of existing Big East schools that didn't want ECU to be invited (and they usually got a LOT of brickbats thrown at them).

This is a good example. I made the very correct point that it is churlish and silly to say that if Saban truly believes that P5 schools should only play other P5 schools, that he should "put his money where his mouth is" and go ahead do Alabama's schedule that way without waiting for a P5-wide rule. It's like saying that if Bill Gates thinks taxes should be raised on "the rich", he should just go ahead and donate more of his money to the government. It is absurd, since that wouldn't address the issue Gates is raising, and neither would Saban doing the same. And yet this is the response I get? From a fan of a school not even competing in AAC athletics yet?

They can't logistically do it quo, that's the point, which has been stated in this thread by at least one other Pirate. Look at Bama's schedules going forward and tell me their AD is putting their money where Nick's mouth is. They aren't. As has been stated, he's blowing illogical smoke. As is LSU's blow hard of a coach BTW. Not everyone is Bama or LSU in the P5 and I'm damn certain a school like Wake or Iowa State for instance is wishing he'd shut the hell up.

Correct even on the P5 there is a huge divide. Ohio Dtate might be bake to get way with an all P5 schedule. No way in hell Indiana or Illinois or most of the rest of a BigTen go for that because it would mean many losing seasons which sap alumni support and donations.
Also schools like Bama and Ohio Dtate LOVE those 7-8 home games a year, that would go away with an ALL P5 schedule

Another thing; let's say this happens.

The SEC goes to 9 conference games and eliminates FCS and G5 schools from the schedule.

How many SEC teams go bowling?

The clashes between UCF, ECU, and Houston fans will be Epic indeed!

(05-17-2014 10:44 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  Correct even on the P5 there is a huge divide. Ohio Dtate might be bake to get way with an all P5 schedule. No way in hell Indiana or Illinois or most of the rest of a BigTen go for that because it would mean many losing seasons which sap alumni support and donations.
Also schools like Bama and Ohio Dtate LOVE those 7-8 home games a year, that would go away with an ALL P5 schedule

Currently Getting 7-8 home games per year for the so called p5 are the main reason it ain't happening. This is just for media play to say "look how serious we are about sos."

Ucf just b!Tch slapped the big 12 champ and now we are somehow not good enough for sos. Joke

(05-17-2014 10:23 AM)PuddlePirate Wrote:  

(05-17-2014 06:49 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-17-2014 04:50 AM)PuddlePirate Wrote:  

(05-17-2014 12:19 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-16-2014 10:09 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  Exactly... They talk a big game, but when it comes to scheduling AAC worthy competitive opponents, but instead they come up with 1,000 lame nancy cupcake excuses.

This criticism of Saban makes little sense. It's only reasonable to expect a P5 school to schedule only other P5 if every other P5 is too. If you do it by yourself, it's suicide.

Pirates fans are rapidly revealing themselves as among the least realistic and most blind AAC fanboys around. Not all. That dude with the orange football shaped avatar makes some good points, but when one looks at ridiculous posts around here, if it isn't by BigEastHomer or a Houston fan, it's usually by an ECU fan.

That's sad, because I remember that during the Big East days, when ECU was seeking membership all those years, Pirates fans who visited the board were usually highly coherent and maintained that coherence even when subject to the brickbats of fans of existing Big East schools that didn't want ECU to be invited (and they usually got a LOT of brickbats thrown at them).

This is a good example. I made the very correct point that it is churlish and silly to say that if Saban truly believes that P5 schools should only play other P5 schools, that he should "put his money where his mouth is" and go ahead do Alabama's schedule that way without waiting for a P5-wide rule. It's like saying that if Bill Gates thinks taxes should be raised on "the rich", he should just go ahead and donate more of his money to the government. It is absurd, since that wouldn't address the issue Gates is raising, and neither would Saban doing the same. And yet this is the response I get? From a fan of a school not even competing in AAC athletics yet?

They can't logistically do it quo, that's the point, which has been stated in this thread by at least one other Pirate. Look at Bama's schedules going forward and tell me their AD is putting their money where Nick's mouth is. They aren't. As has been stated, he's blowing illogical smoke. As is LSU's blow hard of a coach BTW. Not everyone is Bama or LSU in the P5 and I'm damn certain a school like Wake or Iowa State for instance is wishing he'd shut the hell up.

Saban was saying what HE would like to see happen. It is not illogical, there are no rules of logic that would prevent it from happening. Is it going to happen? No, because the Alabama bill-payers, the administrators, want to have more home than road games, and if you are scheduling only other P5 then you have to do home and homes, which means an equal number of home and road games, not more home games which the school accountants demand. Money will prevent it from happening, not logic.

But that's NOT Saban's responsibility so no reason to hold him accountable for it.

Like Saban has NO power to to change the AD's mind

(05-17-2014 05:46 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  Like Saban has NO power to to change the AD's mind

Saban's voice surely counts but what incentive does he have to push the issue? It's a philosophical belief, not something where his interests are really at stake.

up in nicks head

(05-16-2014 05:38 PM)pesik Wrote:  Brett McMurphy ‏@McMurphyESPN 3m
Nick Saban reiterated he wanted 9 SEC league games & also Power 5 teams playing exclusively Power 5 opponents

Its soooooo funny to see ESPN's McMurphy just slurped up every lie told by Saban.

(05-17-2014 05:46 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  Like Saban has NO power to to change the AD's mind

Certainly he does. My point is that Nick has been flapping his yapper about this for a couple of years and yet their OOC schedules look like a sun belt/ FCS schedule still. When their AD starts putting their money where Nick's mouth is then we'll see. I just don't see the chronic bottom 50% of those conferences jumping aboard either. Why would they? They still need to schedule a win during their season. Nick Saban does not speak for every football program in the p5, FYI.

I'm happy as hell! - Nick Saban

nick saban coached alabama to a 14-21 loss to lousiana monroe. thats right, monroe...as in marilyn. not la tech, not la la, not tulane, not lsu, not even mcneese state (wink wink usf)

monroe. please nick, stfu.

(05-18-2014 06:48 PM)shere khan Wrote:  nick saban coached alabama to a 14-21 loss to lousiana monroe. thats right, monroe...as in marilyn. not la tech, not la la, not tulane, not lsu, not even mcneese state (wink wink usf)

monroe. please nick, stfu.

And yet he has won 3 of the last 5 National Championships. I doubt he cares what you think