I don't follow football nearly as close as I do basketball...

Do fans of G5 schools see the grouping as an insult to their teams like mid-major is for basketball fans?

Maybe football fans feel differently about the grouping...I don't know many basketball fans who see mid-major as anything more than a crack at them. This need for "grouping" gets a little old at times.

I hate the term mid-major as it's applied to Saint Louis (and others in the same league)...do the Group of 5 schools hate their label? I'd think most people would just want to be known as D-I football, and not in a subset.

no some fans have decided that the term is so repulsive that they will declare that they are not in the g5 when they clearly all. it's funny because the term mid major was so insulting to them that they bought into the term G5. Now G5 is too insulting for some of them. They can call themselves whatever they want ==> not gonna get them anywhere IMO.

(05-16-2014 04:18 PM)LouPower Wrote:  I don't follow football nearly as close as I do basketball...

Do fans of G5 schools see the grouping as an insult to their teams like mid-major is for basketball fans?

Maybe football fans feel differently about the grouping...I don't know many basketball fans who see mid-major as anything more than a crack at them. This need for "grouping" gets a little old at times.

I hate the term mid-major as it's applied to Saint Louis (and others in the same league)...do the Group of 5 schools hate their label? I'd think most people would just want to be known as D-I football, and not in a subset.

I too despise "mid-major" because it's in the eye of the beholder and if there is a mid then there must be a low or bottom but people will call the champ of the worst hoops league a "mid-major". In reality you could (in theory) be the champ of the worst rated league and earn an at-large berth.

G5 doesn't bother me because there is a specific significance to it. It's the five leagues who are fighting for one available slot in the premium post-season events.

(05-16-2014 04:28 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(05-16-2014 04:18 PM)LouPower Wrote:  I don't follow football nearly as close as I do basketball...

Do fans of G5 schools see the grouping as an insult to their teams like mid-major is for basketball fans?

Maybe football fans feel differently about the grouping...I don't know many basketball fans who see mid-major as anything more than a crack at them. This need for "grouping" gets a little old at times.

I hate the term mid-major as it's applied to Saint Louis (and others in the same league)...do the Group of 5 schools hate their label? I'd think most people would just want to be known as D-I football, and not in a subset.

I too despise "mid-major" because it's in the eye of the beholder and if there is a mid then there must be a low or bottom but people will call the champ of the worst hoops league a "mid-major". In reality you could (in theory) be the champ of the worst rated league and earn an at-large berth.

G5 doesn't bother me because there is a specific significance to it. It's the five leagues who are fighting for one available slot in the premium post-season events.

+1. I also despise the term, and it makes no sense. Nobody refers to Ohio State as a "major" or "high major" and I've never heard of a "low major". It's simply a term to put certain teams on a pedestal above others which might actually be more competitive on the actual football field. Also, the term has never been defined. G5 - we know which schools those are.

(05-16-2014 04:35 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(05-16-2014 04:28 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(05-16-2014 04:18 PM)LouPower Wrote:  I don't follow football nearly as close as I do basketball...

Do fans of G5 schools see the grouping as an insult to their teams like mid-major is for basketball fans?

Maybe football fans feel differently about the grouping...I don't know many basketball fans who see mid-major as anything more than a crack at them. This need for "grouping" gets a little old at times.

I hate the term mid-major as it's applied to Saint Louis (and others in the same league)...do the Group of 5 schools hate their label? I'd think most people would just want to be known as D-I football, and not in a subset.

I too despise "mid-major" because it's in the eye of the beholder and if there is a mid then there must be a low or bottom but people will call the champ of the worst hoops league a "mid-major". In reality you could (in theory) be the champ of the worst rated league and earn an at-large berth.

G5 doesn't bother me because there is a specific significance to it. It's the five leagues who are fighting for one available slot in the premium post-season events.

+1. I also despise the term, and it makes no sense. Nobody refers to Ohio State as a "major" or "high major" and I've never heard of a "low major". It's simply a term to put certain teams on a pedestal above others which might actually be more competitive on the actual football field. Also, the term has never been defined. G5 - we know which schools those are.

Once you've played football in the Big West you become pragmatic about these things!

(05-16-2014 04:37 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(05-16-2014 04:35 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(05-16-2014 04:28 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(05-16-2014 04:18 PM)LouPower Wrote:  I don't follow football nearly as close as I do basketball...

Do fans of G5 schools see the grouping as an insult to their teams like mid-major is for basketball fans?

Maybe football fans feel differently about the grouping...I don't know many basketball fans who see mid-major as anything more than a crack at them. This need for "grouping" gets a little old at times.

I hate the term mid-major as it's applied to Saint Louis (and others in the same league)...do the Group of 5 schools hate their label? I'd think most people would just want to be known as D-I football, and not in a subset.

I too despise "mid-major" because it's in the eye of the beholder and if there is a mid then there must be a low or bottom but people will call the champ of the worst hoops league a "mid-major". In reality you could (in theory) be the champ of the worst rated league and earn an at-large berth.

G5 doesn't bother me because there is a specific significance to it. It's the five leagues who are fighting for one available slot in the premium post-season events.

+1. I also despise the term, and it makes no sense. Nobody refers to Ohio State as a "major" or "high major" and I've never heard of a "low major". It's simply a term to put certain teams on a pedestal above others which might actually be more competitive on the actual football field. Also, the term has never been defined. G5 - we know which schools those are.

Once you've played football in the Big West you become pragmatic about these things!

Ha ha. Just trying to be logical, that's all.

(05-16-2014 04:35 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(05-16-2014 04:28 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(05-16-2014 04:18 PM)LouPower Wrote:  I don't follow football nearly as close as I do basketball...

Do fans of G5 schools see the grouping as an insult to their teams like mid-major is for basketball fans?

Maybe football fans feel differently about the grouping...I don't know many basketball fans who see mid-major as anything more than a crack at them. This need for "grouping" gets a little old at times.

I hate the term mid-major as it's applied to Saint Louis (and others in the same league)...do the Group of 5 schools hate their label? I'd think most people would just want to be known as D-I football, and not in a subset.

I too despise "mid-major" because it's in the eye of the beholder and if there is a mid then there must be a low or bottom but people will call the champ of the worst hoops league a "mid-major". In reality you could (in theory) be the champ of the worst rated league and earn an at-large berth.

G5 doesn't bother me because there is a specific significance to it. It's the five leagues who are fighting for one available slot in the premium post-season events.

+1. I also despise the term, and it makes no sense. Nobody refers to Ohio State as a "major" or "high major" and I've never heard of a "low major". It's simply a term to put certain teams on a pedestal above others which might actually be more competitive on the actual football field. Also, the term has never been defined. G5 - we know which schools those are.

Went to the 2A Illinois Football Championship at NIU. Great place to watch a game.

I don't associate with as much negativity as 'mid-major'. It's a label use to for non-contract conferences who get to send its team to a Major Bowl.

Yes. Its used derisively and is effectively the college sports version of "stereotyping". Its meant to be dismissive and derogatory. Its meant to be stereotypical. Its an attempt to paint anyone not in a power conference as being identical and exactly the same as the worst schools in FBS. The idea is to get people to think of the G5 as a monolithic group of crap schools barely capable of fielding FBS programs---essentially, the broken chips in the bottom of an empty Fritoes bag. The "group of five"---its very meaning indicates "sameness" with no identifying qualities---its like something from a Star Trek Borg episode. It imparts the idea that these conferences are unimportant and easily dismissed--oh, they are just in that throw away group. On many boards you can simply insert the words "identical trash conferences" whenever you see "G5" and you will get a truer more accurate view of its current snide bulletin board meaning and usage. I'd prefer the proper term, "non-contract conferences", as this identifies the one specific area in which the conferences are similar rather than making it seem as they are 5 twins from Toledo wearing matching outfits in a 5 seat stroller.

lol, yeah, Ive pretty much grown to hate the designation.

(05-16-2014 04:45 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  I don't associate with as much negativity as 'mid-major'. It's a label use to for non-contract conferences who get to send its team to a Major Bowl.
Also, not to mention the past 10 years have had non-AQ conferences making a bigger splash as a BCS buster than probably a lot of people expected. That momentum has carried to have at least an auto-bid to a Major Bowl.

The Mountain West in basketball is very similar to the A-10, so I wondered a bit if the view of the m word would be the same.

(05-16-2014 04:45 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Yes. Its used derisively and is effectively the college sports version of "stereotyping". Its meant to be dismissive and derogatory. Its meant to be stereotypical. Its an attempt to paint the anyone not in a power conference as being identical and exactly the same as the worst schools in FBS. The idea is to get people to think of the G5 as a monolithic group of crap schools barely capable of fielding FBS programs---essentially, the broken chips in the bottom of an empty Fritoes bag. The "group of five"---its very meaning indicates "sameness" with no identifying qualities. It imparts the idea that these conferences are unimportant and easily dismissed--oh, they are just in that throw away group. On many boards you can simply insert the words "identical trash conferences" whenever you see "G5" and you will get a truer more accurate view of its current snide bulletin board meaning and usage. I'd prefer the proper term, "non-contract conferences", as this identifies the one specific area in which the conferences are similar rather than making it seem as they are 5 twins from Toledo wearing matching outfits in a 5 seat stroller.

"group of XXX" seems pretty neutral IMO

I embrace G5 and Mid Majors as labels because they highlight the blatant and deliberate imbalances that corrupt college sports. The G5 only exists because of the insatiable greed of the P5.

These labels are stark reminders that a program's dumb luck of joining a conference in 1896 has more to do with their financial earnings today than anything their athletic programs have or have not accomplished in the last 118 years.

(05-16-2014 04:45 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Yes. Its used derisively and is effectively the college sports version of "stereotyping". Its meant to be dismissive and derogatory. Its meant to be stereotypical. Its an attempt to paint anyone not in a power conference as being identical and exactly the same as the worst schools in FBS. The idea is to get people to think of the G5 as a monolithic group of crap schools barely capable of fielding FBS programs---essentially, the broken chips in the bottom of an empty Fritoes bag. The "group of five"---its very meaning indicates "sameness" with no identifying qualities---its like something from a Star Trek Borg episode. It imparts the idea that these conferences are unimportant and easily dismissed--oh, they are just in that throw away group. On many boards you can simply insert the words "identical trash conferences" whenever you see "G5" and you will get a truer more accurate view of its current snide bulletin board meaning and usage. I'd prefer the proper term, "non-contract conferences", as this identifies the one specific area in which the conferences are similar rather than making it seem as they are 5 twins from Toledo wearing matching outfits in a 5 seat stroller.

Wow.....spot on assessment

I think mid-major kind of a stupid term too. There is no term "High-major" or "low-major," so why mid-major. G5 feels different to me because there are 2 distinct groups, p5 and g5. I guess there are groups in basketball too, but do people who consider the MWC and A10 (and maybe even AAC) mid majors really think that those conferences are in the same group as America east and the SWAC?

For the record, I consider the A10, MWC, and AAC major conferences.

(05-16-2014 04:26 PM)john01992 Wrote:  no some fans have decided that the term is so repulsive that they will declare that they are not in the g5 when they clearly all. it's funny because the term mid major was so insulting to them that they bought into the term G5. Now G5 is too insulting for some of them. They can call themselves whatever they want ==> not gonna get them anywhere IMO.

Syracuse is a G5 school by every conceivable metric but for conference affiliation. Get off your damn horse already.

(05-16-2014 08:16 PM)uconnwhaler Wrote:  

(05-16-2014 04:26 PM)john01992 Wrote:  no some fans have decided that the term is so repulsive that they will declare that they are not in the g5 when they clearly all. it's funny because the term mid major was so insulting to them that they bought into the term G5. Now G5 is too insulting for some of them. They can call themselves whatever they want ==> not gonna get them anywhere IMO.

Syracuse is a G5 school by every conceivable metric but for conference affiliation. Get off your damn horse already.

yeah except for football history, tradition, accomplishments, athletic budget, facilities, fanbase, academics, etc.

how many other g5 schools are 15th in all time wins??????

no wonder the ACC didn't want to be associated with UCONN. they have the dumbest fans in the g5 after repeated comments like these.

1. I doubt anyone in the SEC, Big 10, PAC, Big 12, or ACC coined either P5 or G5 as a term. If you want to cry about that moniker then find the idiot sportswriter or blogger that coined it and quit blaming those who pick it up as a two key stroke term backed by a common association for the purposes of making a distinction.

2. Syracuse is hardly a program of the likes of those found in the Sun Belt, MAC, or etc.

3. When schools were founded have a great deal to do with their number of alumni, particularly old money alumni, and with the likelihood they have generated leaders in commerce or research who have helped to distinguish their schools and to either give or aid in the giving of large sums. It is the connection to money that has helped to establish the schools with century or centuries old connections and nothing in a free society is going to stop or counter those kinds of advantages. It is a fact of life so get over it and hope in another 100 years such associations benefit your school.

4. This whole board is getting sick of listening to the Husky howlers who claim foul every time these or similar issues are brought up. Most of us want to see you included in the upper tier when it is formed and nobody is working against you from within this board which has no power or pull over your existential problem. So quit jumping people on this board about it or your going to get hit with warnings and eventual bans.

5. We are also sick of those whose schools are in the "power conferences" running down those who are not. You have no control over that situation either and those of you who jab at the wounds of others are just damn lucky your schools made it in, and even if that isn't the case and your school is deserving you should have the empathy and humility not take your position for granted and have the hubris to taunt the less fortunate. So shut up!!! The ban hammer can drop on you too!

6. My suggestion is to find something else to talk about other than G5 / P5 garbage. Talk about real news, about scheduling, summer sports, fall anticipations, you name it, anything but more UCONN/BC garbage or P5/G5 garbage, or anything of its ilk.

7. I have talked to the other mods on this board and the patience with this has gotten double short.

This thread is closed and any others that spring up like it will be closed with everyone engaging in the kind of talk I have warned against getting formal percentage warnings until it stops. I hope you've got it now. If you have a gripe about nomenclature take it up with media and not with me or anyone else on this board. JR