Arkansas State became one of the first G5 programs to announce today it was beginning the process of eliminating all games against FCS opponents beginning in 2017.

The comment was that we have been told that FCS games will significantly hurt your SOS and how you are viewed by the playoff and access selection committee. Our AD expects G5 schools to begin scheduling each other instead of playing FCS games as time goes on.

If a Sun Belt School is willing to take the chance and dump the FCS games...you have to wonder if other schools wont be far behind.

Thoughts?

i'd guess the top G5 may do that- but as was brought up other places- if you know your peak is a 7-5 or 8-4 team- why do you care if your schedule is tough. You just want to make sure you get bowl eligible- and that's easier to do by playing a FCS team.

It would be great if it would go away. Never understood why playing a game against a FCS school should count toward Bowl eligibility anyway. You should have to beat potential Bowl teams for Bowl eligibility in the FBS.

FCS schools are really "stealing" money away from lower level FBS schools....who need either home games or big payouts to fund their programs. FCS schools have less scholly's to fund and always play bodybag games, which just gives more money to P5 programs that schedule them (when they could be scheduling FBS programs).

(05-16-2014 01:58 PM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  It would be great if it would go away. Never understood why playing a game against a FCS school should count toward Bowl eligibility anyway. You should have to beat potential Bowl teams for Bowl eligibility in the FBS.

FCS schools are really "stealing" money away from lower level FBS schools....who need either home games or big payouts to fund their programs. FCS schools have less scholly's to fund and always play bodybag games, which just gives more money to P5 programs that schedule them (when they could be scheduling FBS programs).

When the NCAA declared that I-AA (now FCS) games would not count toward bowl eligibility a number of schools that were content playing in I-AA because they continued to maintain regular games with I-A teams in their region bailed out for I-A in order to continue being able to play games like that.

Also remember that FCS schools play a relatively expensive brand of football compared to most NCAA football playing schools and having these games are essential to keep high scholarship FCS football viable.

That's why the NCAA began relaxing the provisions.

It certainly would be good for the fans overall IMO.

(05-16-2014 01:39 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  If a Sun Belt School is willing to take the chance and dump the FCS games...you have to wonder if other schools wont be far behind.

Many Go5 schools will continue scheduling FCS schools in one-off buy games for the extra home game.

At least for the MAC, unless you are aiming for the Access Bowl spot, its not clear that the SOS difference between an FCS win and a Go5 win makes much difference. With the MAC's bowl lineup, it looks like a 7-5 MAC school is going bowling whether that is 7-5 FBS or 6-5 FBS and 1 FCS win, and a 6-6 school is still at risk of staying at home, depending more on whether the losses up in the P5 are concentrated among fewer schools or spread around among more, and so how many Go5 bowl stand-ins are required, and whether the record at the back end of the season suggests a hopeful or crestfallen fan base.

I don't mind having them but they shouldn't count.

Cincinnati has no FCS school on their schedule for this year. We have one scheduled to open up the season next year but our AD has publically stated we are looking to move that game. We do not have any scheduled after that.

Eliminating FCS games is smart scheduling for G5 teams that aspire to a CFP bowl or the playoff. A 12-0 or 11-1 G5 team already has to deal with naysayers about their schedule; they really don't need to let the naysayers say, "They play in a soft conference AND they play FCS teams."

For G5 teams that don't have those aspirations, it's not necessary.

(05-16-2014 01:39 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Arkansas State became one of the first G5 programs to announce today it was beginning the process of eliminating all games against FCS opponents beginning in 2017.

The comment was that we have been told that FCS games will significantly hurt your SOS and how you are viewed by the playoff and access selection committee. Our AD expects G5 schools to begin scheduling each other instead of playing FCS games as time goes on.

If a Sun Belt School is willing to take the chance and dump the FCS games...you have to wonder if other schools wont be far behind.

Thoughts?

Why does Ark St care what the committee thinks?

(05-16-2014 03:01 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(05-16-2014 01:39 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Arkansas State became one of the first G5 programs to announce today it was beginning the process of eliminating all games against FCS opponents beginning in 2017.

The comment was that we have been told that FCS games will significantly hurt your SOS and how you are viewed by the playoff and access selection committee. Our AD expects G5 schools to begin scheduling each other instead of playing FCS games as time goes on.

If a Sun Belt School is willing to take the chance and dump the FCS games...you have to wonder if other schools wont be far behind.

Thoughts?

Why does Ark St care what the committee thinks?

Because we would like them to select us for the G5 access bowl slot?

(05-16-2014 03:01 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(05-16-2014 01:39 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Arkansas State became one of the first G5 programs to announce today it was beginning the process of eliminating all games against FCS opponents beginning in 2017.

The comment was that we have been told that FCS games will significantly hurt your SOS and how you are viewed by the playoff and access selection committee. Our AD expects G5 schools to begin scheduling each other instead of playing FCS games as time goes on.

If a Sun Belt School is willing to take the chance and dump the FCS games...you have to wonder if other schools wont be far behind.

Thoughts?

Why does Ark St care what the committee thinks?

(05-16-2014 02:43 PM)Wedge Wrote:  For G5 teams that don't have those aspirations, it's not necessary.

It may not be necessary for an individual school like Eastern Michigan, but the MAC as a conference may mandate it the first time somebody like NIU gets snubbed because their own SOS took a hit because they played EMU who played FCS schools (maybe even was beaten by one).

I could see G5 conferences making this scheduling rule on a conference level. No different than what the P5 is doing right now with mandating that Wake Forest must play another P5 school as their 9th game even though WF has no chance for playoff spot. Its because it makes Florida State look stronger.

(05-16-2014 03:09 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  

(05-16-2014 02:43 PM)Wedge Wrote:  For G5 teams that don't have those aspirations, it's not necessary.

It may not be necessary for an individual school like Eastern Michigan, but the MAC as a conference may mandate it the first time somebody like NIU gets snubbed because their own SOS took a hit because they played EMU who played FCS schools (maybe even was beaten by one).

I could see G5 conferences making this scheduling rule on a conference level. No different than what the P5 is doing right now with mandating that Wake Forest must play another P5 school as their 9th game even though WF has no chance for playoff spot. Its because it makes Florida State look stronger.

could easily see MWC and AAC doing that. Not sure about the other 3 G5 conferences.

(05-16-2014 03:05 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(05-16-2014 03:01 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(05-16-2014 01:39 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Arkansas State became one of the first G5 programs to announce today it was beginning the process of eliminating all games against FCS opponents beginning in 2017.

The comment was that we have been told that FCS games will significantly hurt your SOS and how you are viewed by the playoff and access selection committee. Our AD expects G5 schools to begin scheduling each other instead of playing FCS games as time goes on.

If a Sun Belt School is willing to take the chance and dump the FCS games...you have to wonder if other schools wont be far behind.

Thoughts?

Why does Ark St care what the committee thinks?

Because we would like them to select us for the G5 access bowl slot?

I forgot that existed. I originally thought that his comments were made in the context of the Football Four. Are you guys good enough to realistically be in contention to be the g5 representative for the Access Bowl slot?

(05-16-2014 03:37 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(05-16-2014 03:05 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(05-16-2014 03:01 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(05-16-2014 01:39 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Arkansas State became one of the first G5 programs to announce today it was beginning the process of eliminating all games against FCS opponents beginning in 2017.

The comment was that we have been told that FCS games will significantly hurt your SOS and how you are viewed by the playoff and access selection committee. Our AD expects G5 schools to begin scheduling each other instead of playing FCS games as time goes on.

If a Sun Belt School is willing to take the chance and dump the FCS games...you have to wonder if other schools wont be far behind.

Thoughts?

Why does Ark St care what the committee thinks?

Because we would like them to select us for the G5 access bowl slot?

I forgot that existed. I originally thought that his comments were made in the context of the Football Four. Are you guys good enough to realistically be in contention to be the g5 representative for the Access Bowl slot?

Some are saying that our conference foe in Louisiana could be in the Cotton Bowl this year. We have been at the top of our league with them...so there is no reason why we could not be in that mix.

(05-16-2014 03:37 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(05-16-2014 03:05 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(05-16-2014 03:01 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(05-16-2014 01:39 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Arkansas State became one of the first G5 programs to announce today it was beginning the process of eliminating all games against FCS opponents beginning in 2017.

The comment was that we have been told that FCS games will significantly hurt your SOS and how you are viewed by the playoff and access selection committee. Our AD expects G5 schools to begin scheduling each other instead of playing FCS games as time goes on.

If a Sun Belt School is willing to take the chance and dump the FCS games...you have to wonder if other schools wont be far behind.

Thoughts?

Why does Ark St care what the committee thinks?

Because we would like them to select us for the G5 access bowl slot?

I forgot that existed. I originally thought that his comments were made in the context of the Football Four. Are you guys good enough to realistically be in contention to be the g5 representative for the Access Bowl slot?

10-3, 10-3, 8-5 the last three seasons moved to a single money game model of scheduling with home and homes coming up with Mizzou, Miami, and Iowa State along with Utah State, UNLV and possibly BYU.

(05-16-2014 03:47 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(05-16-2014 03:37 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(05-16-2014 03:05 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(05-16-2014 03:01 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(05-16-2014 01:39 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Arkansas State became one of the first G5 programs to announce today it was beginning the process of eliminating all games against FCS opponents beginning in 2017.

The comment was that we have been told that FCS games will significantly hurt your SOS and how you are viewed by the playoff and access selection committee. Our AD expects G5 schools to begin scheduling each other instead of playing FCS games as time goes on.

If a Sun Belt School is willing to take the chance and dump the FCS games...you have to wonder if other schools wont be far behind.

Thoughts?

Why does Ark St care what the committee thinks?

Because we would like them to select us for the G5 access bowl slot?

I forgot that existed. I originally thought that his comments were made in the context of the Football Four. Are you guys good enough to realistically be in contention to be the g5 representative for the Access Bowl slot?

Some are saying that our conference foe in Louisiana could be in the Cotton Bowl this year. We have been at the top of our league with them...so there is no reason why we could not be in that mix.

Fair enough. I wish you the best of luck.

NIU's Orange Bowl bid was harder than the "Access Bowl" and they were one game shy of back-to-back appearances. So yes the MAC has every reason to keep our conference scheduling strong to ensure we keep earning "Access Bowl" bids.

The "Access Bowl" is now easier to attain then a "BCS Bowl" for every G5 conference except the AAC who lost their auto-bid.

Schools should not be allowed to schedule schools that offer less scholarships than they do. These games are usually an abortion! One school is always being paid a premium to lose a game that they have no chance in hell of winning.