there are probably still some sour grapes from the Boise/AAC divorce (actually, more like an annulment!). i would agree it is too early to write them off, but next few years are very important for the Broncos.

(05-16-2014 01:39 PM)SDSU-Alum2003 Wrote:  

(05-16-2014 12:39 PM)Bearcat2012 Wrote:  

(05-16-2014 11:54 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(05-16-2014 11:50 AM)3rdWardCoog Wrote:  ^

I disagree with my Texas comrade. If BYU goes MWC or AAC that conference will be in a clear driver seat as the best of the G5. I'm not saying BYU is the GREATEST school ever. I just think they are the largest name not in a P5 conference. With the fan base they have it would be a big swing in "public opinion". You add BYU to either the MWC or AAC I think you get respect as the champ of that league when it comes to access slot and money.

My preference and my biased opinion is that BYU should join the AAC as I see our schools having a higher profile then the MWC (my biased opinion). However, a MWC with BYU I think would be tough for the AAC to claim we are the best.

Agree. And I think the MWC better start courting BYU like the AAC has been. If BYU goes the AAC route, it will be much easier to convince a few other MWC programs to defect for a western pod.

If BYU happens to fall in our lap. I'd go for a western wing of

BYU
SDSU
Fresno
Air Force

Screw Boise , they had their chance. That said I would only go this route if it increases our TV payout to at least $6-8mil per school

That sounds good. BYU & SDSU for sure & pick 2 of UNLV, Fresno State or Air Force. Get Boise State only if it increases TV money and the networks want it.

Handicapping AAC basketball isn't an option, strengthen football side is key... I think these four programs may be the way to go.

BYU
SDSU
Fresno
UNLV

(05-16-2014 02:22 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(05-16-2014 01:39 PM)SDSU-Alum2003 Wrote:  

(05-16-2014 12:39 PM)Bearcat2012 Wrote:  

(05-16-2014 11:54 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(05-16-2014 11:50 AM)3rdWardCoog Wrote:  ^

I disagree with my Texas comrade. If BYU goes MWC or AAC that conference will be in a clear driver seat as the best of the G5. I'm not saying BYU is the GREATEST school ever. I just think they are the largest name not in a P5 conference. With the fan base they have it would be a big swing in "public opinion". You add BYU to either the MWC or AAC I think you get respect as the champ of that league when it comes to access slot and money.

My preference and my biased opinion is that BYU should join the AAC as I see our schools having a higher profile then the MWC (my biased opinion). However, a MWC with BYU I think would be tough for the AAC to claim we are the best.

Agree. And I think the MWC better start courting BYU like the AAC has been. If BYU goes the AAC route, it will be much easier to convince a few other MWC programs to defect for a western pod.

If BYU happens to fall in our lap. I'd go for a western wing of

BYU
SDSU
Fresno
Air Force

Screw Boise , they had their chance. That said I would only go this route if it increases our TV payout to at least $6-8mil per school

That sounds good. BYU & SDSU for sure & pick 2 of UNLV, Fresno State or Air Force. Get Boise State only if it increases TV money and the networks want it.

Handicapping AAC basketball isn't an option, strengthen football side is key... I think these four programs may be the way to go.

BYU
SDSU
Fresno
UNLV

If Army is willing to join, either Fresno or UNLV won't get picked. Army adds too much tv value to pass on.

(05-16-2014 12:28 PM)Chappy Wrote:  My personal opinion is that people are reading too much into the whole "Do BYU, Army & Navy count" thing.

I think those 3 schools were brought up because they were FBS independents (Navy still Indy 'til 2015), and since Notre Dame counted, would they?

I don't think adding BYU & Army, for instance, to the AAC would change anyone's opinion about the conference.

Well said. There are no AAC "power" implications of this "will they count Army and Navy" discussion.

The only way the AAC should consider expanding is with BYU. If BYU was willing to come FB only or all sports with a western wing, The AAC would be crazy not to talk with them. A Football only could be great, let them have shot at champ game and ( bowls, which they would help with....) full 8 game schedule, and you could even let them keep control of their 4 home conf games. It would still add 4 quality games to ACC conf schedule to sell.

(05-16-2014 12:28 PM)Chappy Wrote:  My personal opinion is that people are reading too much into the whole "Do BYU, Army & Navy count" thing.

I think those 3 schools were brought up because they were FBS independents (Navy still Indy 'til 2015), and since Notre Dame counted, would they?

That is my belief as well. Only reason I can see Army included and not some others.

BYU does change landscape, doesn,t matter what ACC & SEC say.
Top 2 programs out their, BYU & Conn
AAC has programs with the tools to also reach that point. [Hous, SMU, UCF, USF, Cin]
2 schools that would make the commitment are Buffalo & Mass

(05-19-2014 09:22 AM)templefootballfan Wrote:  BYU does change landscape, doesn,t matter what ACC & SEC say.
Top 2 programs out their, BYU & Conn

Are you saying that if BYU joined the AAC, then the ACC and SEC would be compelled to recognize the AAC on some higher level?

what i'm saying is BYU & Conn are P5 level now
doesn't matter what ACC & SEC say [besides the fact BYU would help at least 8 schools at the gate]
there are other schools have the tools to get there

I'd be cool with offering BYU a Notre Dame type association deal where they play 4 or 5 our our teams every year in football. I think an association with them in anyway would be positive.

Unlike Boise they have the foundation with 65k fans in the stands and top 25 basketball attendance as well and a national fanbase. Probably the closest to an all around big deal this conference could realistically land.

I expect they'd probably be more willing to take our help and not have to fully commit anywhere or crawl back to the MWC and it would make it easier to potentially land them later on if it was a good relationship. I'd also give them a sweatheart deal and help with travel cost if needed to seal it.

I don't ever see them in the P5. They deserve it but hard to associate with them for a lot of state flagship liberal arts schools I'd think.

FTR I really don't want Boise or San Deigo State at this point. I'd rather have UTEP to bridge the gap if BYU would come and be willing to come.

(05-19-2014 12:24 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  I'd be cool with offering BYU a Notre Dame type association deal where they play 4 or 5 our our teams every year in football. I think an association with them in anyway would be positive.

Unlike Boise they have the foundation with 65k fans in the stands and top 25 basketball attendance as well and a national fanbase. Probably the closest to an all around big deal this conference could realistically land.

I expect they'd probably be more willing to take our help and not have to fully commit anywhere or crawl back to the MWC and it would make it easier to potentially land them later on if it was a good relationship. I'd also give them a sweatheart deal and help with travel cost if needed to seal it.

I don't ever see them in the P5. They deserve it but hard to associate with them for a lot of state flagship liberal arts schools I'd think.

FTR I really don't want Boise or San Deigo State at this point. I'd rather have UTEP to bridge the gap if BYU would come and be willing to come.

I agree with this, but now that we have them in our bowl line up it could make things a little tricky.

(05-19-2014 01:50 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(05-19-2014 12:24 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  I'd be cool with offering BYU a Notre Dame type association deal where they play 4 or 5 our our teams every year in football. I think an association with them in anyway would be positive.

Unlike Boise they have the foundation with 65k fans in the stands and top 25 basketball attendance as well and a national fanbase. Probably the closest to an all around big deal this conference could realistically land.

I expect they'd probably be more willing to take our help and not have to fully commit anywhere or crawl back to the MWC and it would make it easier to potentially land them later on if it was a good relationship. I'd also give them a sweatheart deal and help with travel cost if needed to seal it.

I don't ever see them in the P5. They deserve it but hard to associate with them for a lot of state flagship liberal arts schools I'd think.

FTR I really don't want Boise or San Deigo State at this point. I'd rather have UTEP to bridge the gap if BYU would come and be willing to come.

I agree with this, but now that we have them in our bowl line up it could make things a little tricky.

Why would it be tricky? We would get them added with our next round of bowl negotiations. They already are set until then anyway. We just guarantee they don't have scheduling issues with 5 guaranteed games with the aac. Our tv contract gets more appeal in the next round.

ECU, Cincy, Houston, Tulane all have games on the books with them, and UCF just finished a series I believe. It's not like they aren't playing us anyway. This would cut a lot of the head aches out and where they could concentrate on the rest of the schedule.

(05-19-2014 12:24 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  FTR I really don't want Boise or San Deigo State at this point. I'd rather have UTEP to bridge the gap if BYU would come and be willing to come.

This is cool and all as it is just your opinion but at what point is pulling CUSA schools to much. True or not everyone outside of the AAC already thinks of the American as CUSA 2.0 not BE 3.0 adding another school is just adding to that thought process. IMO... I just think it would be better to get any school except those from CUSA.

(05-19-2014 02:39 PM)Blue Hell Wrote:  

(05-19-2014 12:24 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  FTR I really don't want Boise or San Deigo State at this point. I'd rather have UTEP to bridge the gap if BYU would come and be willing to come.

This is cool and all as it is just your opinion but at what point is pulling CUSA schools to much. True or not everyone outside of the AAC already thinks of the American as CUSA 2.0 not BE 3.0 adding another school is just adding to that thought process. IMO... I just think it would be better to get any school except those from CUSA.

couldn't agree more, we CUSA schools are way too good to add any CUSA schools to our league.

(05-19-2014 02:39 PM)Blue Hell Wrote:  

(05-19-2014 12:24 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  FTR I really don't want Boise or San Deigo State at this point. I'd rather have UTEP to bridge the gap if BYU would come and be willing to come.

This is cool and all as it is just your opinion but at what point is pulling CUSA schools to much. True or not everyone outside of the AAC already thinks of the American as CUSA 2.0 not BE 3.0 adding another school is just adding to that thought process. IMO... I just think it would be better to get any school except those from CUSA.

This is why Boise left. And talking about BYU you realize they would ask for more than what BSU and Navy asked for but I guess after giving Navy a special deal BYU would not be a big reach.

(05-19-2014 02:46 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  

(05-19-2014 02:39 PM)Blue Hell Wrote:  

(05-19-2014 12:24 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  FTR I really don't want Boise or San Deigo State at this point. I'd rather have UTEP to bridge the gap if BYU would come and be willing to come.

This is cool and all as it is just your opinion but at what point is pulling CUSA schools to much. True or not everyone outside of the AAC already thinks of the American as CUSA 2.0 not BE 3.0 adding another school is just adding to that thought process. IMO... I just think it would be better to get any school except those from CUSA.

This is why Boise left. And talking about BYU you realize they would ask for more than what BSU and Navy asked for but I guess after giving Navy a special deal BYU would not be a big reach.

Boise left because Kustra is a typical Illinois politician. He is only good at fleecing the stupid.

(05-19-2014 02:50 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(05-19-2014 02:46 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  

(05-19-2014 02:39 PM)Blue Hell Wrote:  

(05-19-2014 12:24 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  FTR I really don't want Boise or San Deigo State at this point. I'd rather have UTEP to bridge the gap if BYU would come and be willing to come.

This is cool and all as it is just your opinion but at what point is pulling CUSA schools to much. True or not everyone outside of the AAC already thinks of the American as CUSA 2.0 not BE 3.0 adding another school is just adding to that thought process. IMO... I just think it would be better to get any school except those from CUSA.

This is why Boise left. And talking about BYU you realize they would ask for more than what BSU and Navy asked for but I guess after giving Navy a special deal BYU would not be a big reach.

Boise left because Kustra is a typical Illinois politician. He is only good at fleecing the stupid.

Boise left because after the TV $ came out no other western teams could be pulled to join them and SDSU and the nBE added a bunch of CUSA schools. Pretty much the entire MWC rejected moving over. I’m sure things are a lot different now though.

(05-19-2014 02:39 PM)Blue Hell Wrote:  This is cool and all as it is just your opinion but at what point is pulling CUSA schools to much. True or not everyone outside of the AAC already thinks of the American as CUSA 2.0 not BE 3.0 adding another school is just adding to that thought process. IMO... I just think it would be better to get any school except those from CUSA.

The American is more like the Mountain West was when it was originally created. Basically all the top budgets and most successful schools leaving the rest behind and making a fresh start.

As far as UTEP I'd rather have a school like UTEP actually in the footprint that has the facilities and that has demonstrated better fan support and that they can average 45k+ in football and 10k in basketball. There aren't a lot of schools not in the P5 that have ever proven this. BYU does it at an even higher rate.

For all the success Boise has had you are really one coach away from being USM and really don't have the foundational thing like fan support to go beyond a bad coach. I don't know about this new coach and if you aren't winning 10+ games every year there's not much reason to extend the footprint to Idaho IMO or bend over like the MWC did for Boise at this point. BYU will always have incredible fan support and facilities.

(05-19-2014 11:45 AM)templefootballfan Wrote:  what i'm saying is BYU & Conn are P5 level now
doesn't matter what ACC & SEC say [besides the fact BYU would help at least 8 schools at the gate]
there are other schools have the tools to get there

BYU football is P5 worthy but UConn??

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