It has always been Cincinnati, if BYU is added.

(05-15-2014 11:07 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  Do you really think the B12 wants UConn's football without their basketball?

Well you could get their BBall without their FB, that might have some limited appeal, though the overhead of Olympic sports would seem likely to offset that appeal.

The problem is that the way Division 1 is put together guarantees that there are Olympic-sports only conferences including BBall, Olympic sports excluding BBall would have to be sport by sport affiliation agreements.

(05-15-2014 11:45 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  It has always been Cincinnati, if BYU is added.

I have zero insider information on any of this, but that sounds likely to me.

No Wilkie, it was always Louisville if BYU was added. Luckily the ACC fixed that issue ! LOL!!!!!!!!

(05-16-2014 08:33 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  No Wilkie, it was always Louisville if BYU was added. Luckily the ACC fixed that issue ! LOL!!!!!!!!

Luckily the Big XII chose WVU over Louisville and the B1G took Maryland...last lifeboat..

According to McMurphy, BYU has a good reputation nationally but NOT being part of the P5 league, the gap is huge. The gap continues to grow. If Big Ten goes to 16, simply staying status quo the Big 12 has no invcentive to expand. Best thing they can hope for is the Big Ten goes to 16.

The P5 sound hell bent on locking out everyone.

http://stationcaster.com/stations/kfnz/m...170627.mp3

If BYU is now motivated to make a move and it turns out that the Big 12 will not make a deal with them, is BYU powerful enough in college athletics to be the one to bring a new conference into being? One that would bring in the strongest available and leave the mediocre out? Kind of like the fantasy league being discussed in another thread.

If BYU wanted to do this would BSU, SDSU, Fresno St, AFA, UNLV, SMU, Houston and a few others accept that phone call?

Nope, new conferences have to wait 5 years before getting an automatic invite to the NCAA tourney. BYU isn't that powerful.

(05-16-2014 09:05 AM)USM@FTL Wrote:  Nope, new conferences have to wait 5 years before getting an automatic invite to the NCAA tourney. BYU isn't that powerful.

The right lineup would not have to worry about that.

I have always thought the Big 12 was not done and just biding their time. I think the end game will be this...

West...BYU and Air Force
East...Cincy and UConn

They move to the Big 14 and compete with the other P5. It really expands their territory and makes the West Virginia add seem much more sound. If I was throwing out a prediction as to when...I'd say by 2020.

(05-16-2014 09:12 AM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  I have always thought the Big 12 was not done and just biding their time. I think the end game will be this...

West...BYU and Air Force
East...Cincy and UConn

They move to the Big 14 and compete with the other P5. It really expands their territory and makes the West Virginia add seem much more sound. If I was throwing out a prediction as to when...I'd say by 2020.

McMurphy is pretty sure that IF the Big 12 makes a move, that it would be east. He point blank says this. But the Big 12 won't make such a move until the Big Ten goes to 16. However the Big Ten is on record thru MSU that they are not expanding. So BYU really might be out of luck.

And surmising that if the Big 12 went east, only schools making any geographic sense are Cincy, UCF and USF.

(05-16-2014 09:12 AM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  I have always thought the Big 12 was not done and just biding their time. I think the end game will be this...

West...BYU and Air Force
East...Cincy and UConn

They move to the Big 14 and compete with the other P5. It really expands their territory and makes the West Virginia add seem much more sound. If I was throwing out a prediction as to when...I'd say by 2020.

I guess UConn and BYU would both be at least a thousand miles away from Texas. UConn is already playing in Texas anyway in all sports.

(05-15-2014 05:29 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  I think the Big 12 is happy with the status quo and Holmoe is whistling in the dark. BYU and its fans are going to have to come to grips with the reality that they're on the wrong side of the have/have-not divide and they're not in a position to do much about it. It may not be fair but the realignment game isn't played on a level playing field.

Amen to that. For better or worse, the B12 will ride its 10 team horse. There is no team out there available to B12 which would increase payout per B12 school.

(05-15-2014 04:05 PM)BE4evah Wrote:  Greg Wrubell is the insider of insiders at BYU. He's the play by play guy for both basketball and football, and runs the largest BYU blog.

As most of you know, the Elders select carefully those who are the face of the Cougars. Well, Wrubell is on fire today on twitter with the BYU news. I encourage you to follow him. He is a fantastic resource who allows you to see behind the BYU curtain. He also is a great guy, and will correspond with fans (polite ones of course).

He wrote this:

Greg Wrubell @gregwrubell ·
Currently, the Big 12 is the only conference without a title game. It's also the league with the most room to grow.

Greg Wrubell @gregwrubell ·
Tom Holmoe has suggested that another realignment shift could be coming; I presume he is working hard to find a way for BYU to be involved.

https://twitter.com/gregwrubell

I reached out to a NATIONAL writer regarding this news and asked about BYU, and in turn I was told if he had to guess, what he called "the little engine that could" would be equally the one to watch. That was a reference to Cincy, Santa, and how they have come to be looked at in realignment.

Suggested? Could be? If he had to guess?

(05-16-2014 09:37 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  

(05-15-2014 04:05 PM)BE4evah Wrote:  Greg Wrubell is the insider of insiders at BYU. He's the play by play guy for both basketball and football, and runs the largest BYU blog.

As most of you know, the Elders select carefully those who are the face of the Cougars. Well, Wrubell is on fire today on twitter with the BYU news. I encourage you to follow him. He is a fantastic resource who allows you to see behind the BYU curtain. He also is a great guy, and will correspond with fans (polite ones of course).

He wrote this:

Greg Wrubell @gregwrubell ·
Currently, the Big 12 is the only conference without a title game. It's also the league with the most room to grow.

Greg Wrubell @gregwrubell ·
Tom Holmoe has suggested that another realignment shift could be coming; I presume he is working hard to find a way for BYU to be involved.

https://twitter.com/gregwrubell

I reached out to a NATIONAL writer regarding this news and asked about BYU, and in turn I was told if he had to guess, what he called "the little engine that could" would be equally the one to watch. That was a reference to Cincy, Santa, and how they have come to be looked at in realignment.

Suggested? Could be? If he had to guess?

Ah, how some of you refuse to recognize the "little engine that could". NIU that is. If the Big 12 goes to 14, then Cincy, NIU, BYU, and one more get in. NIU brings the Chicago TV market which outweighs many other things the others bring. Don't count out the Huskies.

I just read some of these tweets and he said byu could join as a football only tomorrow. He must be referring to either the mwc or AAC and not the big 12.... I think BYU probably would join the AAC over the MWC. ANother take is maybe the ACC in denying BYU is hoping BYU to the big 12 happens thus the big 12 doesn't go all east with expansion. Obviously, the acc doesn't want to lose any members to the big 12, doubt that happens but i'm sure they don't want the big 12 to invite ECU, USF or UCF. They probably would prefer uconn stay out too but probably don't care much about cincy going to the big 12 along with byu.

(05-16-2014 10:34 AM)bluesox Wrote:  I just read some of these tweets and he said byu could join as a football only tomorrow. He must be referring to either the mwc or AAC and not the big 12.... I think BYU probably would join the AAC over the MWC. ANother take is maybe the ACC in denying BYU is hoping BYU to the big 12 happens thus the big 12 doesn't go all east with expansion. Obviously, the acc doesn't want to lose any members to the big 12, doubt that happens but i'm sure they don't want the big 12 to invite ECU, USF or UCF. They probably would prefer uconn stay out too but have don't care much about cincy going to the big 12.

I think the point he is making is that unlike other schools BYU is not in a conference with a waiting period before they could join another conference (ie. I think the American is 27 mos.~~ although that could be remedied by a settlement ala WVU). BYU could join immediately.

BYU
Boise
UNLV
SDSU
Colorado State
New Mexico
Air Force (Football Only)

UConn
Cincinnati
Memphis
Houston
USF
UCF
Navy (Football Only)

(05-16-2014 08:33 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  No Wilkie, it was always Louisville if BYU was added. Luckily the ACC fixed that issue ! LOL!!!!!!!!

Actually it was Pitt and Louisville the first time!

(05-16-2014 09:37 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  Suggested? Could be? If he had to guess?

Yes, despite the misleading subject line, Holmoe is not claiming to be making any definitive predictions.

And, indeed, even if talks were "advancing", there's no definitive predictions to be made until very late in the process. There have been a number of moves that have got fairly far into the negotiating process without actually ever taking place. So making premature definitive predictions is something best left to the discussion in sports forums.

(05-16-2014 09:21 AM)BE4evah Wrote:  

(05-16-2014 09:12 AM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  I have always thought the Big 12 was not done and just biding their time. I think the end game will be this...

West...BYU and Air Force
East...Cincy and UConn

They move to the Big 14 and compete with the other P5. It really expands their territory and makes the West Virginia add seem much more sound. If I was throwing out a prediction as to when...I'd say by 2020.

McMurphy is pretty sure that IF the Big 12 makes a move, that it would be east. He point blank says this. But the Big 12 won't make such a move until the Big Ten goes to 16. However the Big Ten is on record thru MSU that they are not expanding. So BYU really might be out of luck.

And surmising that if the Big 12 went east, only schools making any geographic sense are Cincy, UCF and USF.

If the Big 10 expands to 16, it will most likely take Kansas. That would leave 3 holes in the Big 12.