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RE: The Oh-So-Fragile Class of 2014 Needs to STFU And Listen to Some New Ideas
(05-15-2014 12:27 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  
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(05-15-2014 12:21 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  So, Conservatives are chastising College students for using their First Amendment rights to petition? Not only that, but it was a whopping 483 signatures. Hardly enough to chastise an entire generation.

I agree that some of these speakers may have interesting things to say, but it is the right of these 483 students to petition it.

I don't agree with it, but I support their right to do it.

Is it conservatives flipping out when the granddaughter of a black share cropper wants to talk about race? Or tearing down the signs of people who disagree on abortion?

Is it liberals who blow up abortion clinics and beat/kill doctors who perform them?

Ahhh so you're going to get a bursh out which is that wide? ready to condemn all Muslims? Nope?

But even with a more narrow brush do you want to talk about who's home Obama launched his presidential campaign? Why is was a man who had membership in a terroirst organization that planted bobms ubder police cars!

And then -
The bombing of the Los Angeles Times on October 1, 1910 killed 21 people. The perpetrators of this crime were the McNamara brothers (James and John McNamara), two Irish-American brothers who wanted to unionize the paper. The McNamaras became a cause célèbre amongst the labor movement in the United States, though their support eroded when they admitted their guilt.

So please try to stay somewhere ner the topic here..

At American universities Lefties regurally try to get conservative speaking engagements cancelled, try to stop conservatives from having demonstrations, and have even threatened to sue the school at times if someone dares to speak counter to their agenda.

Quote:This back and forth can be done all day, but it's pointless.

What's funny is the back and forth was started with this comment...

"The problem is that conservatives call that indoctrination." -- Fitbud

I agree it's a generational issue on both side but it is most often expressed at universities by the leftist in power.

Quote:Now, it seems like you guys are trashing an entire generation based on a petition with less than 500 signatures. That seems a little superfluous.

The petition is just evidence... The Millennial kids are the most self absorbed generation since the 1920's and honestly they are giving that generation a run for their money.
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(05-15-2014 12:35 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  
(05-15-2014 12:27 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  Point is, the students have the RIGHT to petition,

That wasn't the point at all, you lackwit.

Quote: Now, it seems like you guys are trashing an entire generation based on a petition with less than 500 signatures. That seems a little superfluous.

Now it seems as though you didn't realize that none of us wrote the article, and that there are many other examples besides Smith.

Huh. It's almost like you're a complete imbecile, where everything you write makes no sense.

Aww. Formulating an "argument" using only insults. Typical Dr. Torch. Was this one of your "publications"?
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RE: The Oh-So-Fragile Class of 2014 Needs to STFU And Listen to Some New Ideas
(05-15-2014 12:36 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  
(05-15-2014 12:27 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  
(05-15-2014 12:25 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  
(05-15-2014 12:21 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  So, Conservatives are chastising College students for using their First Amendment rights to petition? Not only that, but it was a whopping 483 signatures. Hardly enough to chastise an entire generation.

I agree that some of these speakers may have interesting things to say, but it is the right of these 483 students to petition it.

I don't agree with it, but I support their right to do it.

Is it conservatives flipping out when the granddaughter of a black share cropper wants to talk about race? Or tearing down the signs of people who disagree on abortion?

Is it liberals who blow up abortion clinics and beat/kill doctors who perform them?

Ahhh so you're going to get a bursh out which is that wide? ready to condemn all Muslims? Nope?

But even with a more narrow brush do you want to talk about who's home Obama launched his presidential campaign? Why is was a man who had membership in a terroirst organization that planted bobms ubder police cars!

And then -
The bombing of the Los Angeles Times on October 1, 1910 killed 21 people. The perpetrators of this crime were the McNamara brothers (James and John McNamara), two Irish-American brothers who wanted to unionize the paper. The McNamaras became a cause célèbre amongst the labor movement in the United States, though their support eroded when they admitted their guilt.

So please try to stay somewhere ner the topic here..

At American universities Lefties regurally try to get conservative speaking engagements cancelled, try to stop conservatives from having demonstrations, and have even threatened to sue the school at times if someone dares to speak counter to their agenda.

Quote:This back and forth can be done all day, but it's pointless.

What's funny is the back and forth was started with this comment...

"The problem is that conservatives call that indoctrination." -- Fitbud

I agree it's a generational issue on both side but it is most often expressed at universities by the leftist in power.

Quote:Now, it seems like you guys are trashing an entire generation based on a petition with less than 500 signatures. That seems a little superfluous.

The petition is just evidence... The Millennial kids are the most self absorbed generation since the 1920's and honestly they are giving that generation a run for their money.

Every generation feels that the generation coming after them is babied and destroying the country. The cycle will continue and continue. I'm sure this generation will feel that the next one is garbage, and so on.
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RE: The Oh-So-Fragile Class of 2014 Needs to STFU And Listen to Some New Ideas
(05-15-2014 12:38 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  Every generation feels that the generation coming after them is babied and destroying the country. The cycle will continue and continue. I'm sure this generation will feel that the next one is garbage, and so on.

Did I say the Millennial generation are destroying the country or that they are self absorbed... Help me out..

It's still the Boomer destroying the country. A generation does not get the 'blame" for things going wrong until they are actually in charge.

And the reason the Millennials are self absorbed is because of Gen-X failure (their parents).. Right now they are the Victims... But like every victim they need to grow beyond the damage.
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It's going to be funny when Millennials have to deal with the fruits of their nonsense.
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RE: The Oh-So-Fragile Class of 2014 Needs to STFU And Listen to Some New Ideas
(05-15-2014 12:37 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  
(05-15-2014 12:35 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  
(05-15-2014 12:27 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  Point is, the students have the RIGHT to petition,

That wasn't the point at all, you lackwit.

Quote: Now, it seems like you guys are trashing an entire generation based on a petition with less than 500 signatures. That seems a little superfluous.

Now it seems as though you didn't realize that none of us wrote the article, and that there are many other examples besides Smith.

Huh. It's almost like you're a complete imbecile, where everything you write makes no sense.

Aww. Formulating an "argument" using only insults. Typical Dr. Torch. Was this one of your "publications"?

You claimed you were the president of the US. That's just nuts.
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RE: The Oh-So-Fragile Class of 2014 Needs to STFU And Listen to Some New Ideas
(05-15-2014 12:29 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  It's an example of wider spread problems in our generation but not the problem. I think we all get that.

Like I said, I think the worst thing to happen to the generation is parents telling everybody what a special snowflake everybody was when 80% were average. Those kids never really found what they were good at for the most part and are no just pissed off life isn't giving them what they grew to expect out of it.

Based upon what I have seen in this forum, the only people who are pissed off at the world are conservatives.
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RE: The Oh-So-Fragile Class of 2014 Needs to STFU And Listen to Some New Ideas
(05-15-2014 12:36 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  
(05-15-2014 12:27 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  
(05-15-2014 12:25 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  
(05-15-2014 12:21 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  So, Conservatives are chastising College students for using their First Amendment rights to petition? Not only that, but it was a whopping 483 signatures. Hardly enough to chastise an entire generation.

I agree that some of these speakers may have interesting things to say, but it is the right of these 483 students to petition it.

I don't agree with it, but I support their right to do it.

Is it conservatives flipping out when the granddaughter of a black share cropper wants to talk about race? Or tearing down the signs of people who disagree on abortion?

Is it liberals who blow up abortion clinics and beat/kill doctors who perform them?

Ahhh so you're going to get a bursh out which is that wide? ready to condemn all Muslims? Nope?

But even with a more narrow brush do you want to talk about who's home Obama launched his presidential campaign? Why is was a man who had membership in a terroirst organization that planted bobms ubder police cars!

And then -
The bombing of the Los Angeles Times on October 1, 1910 killed 21 people. The perpetrators of this crime were the McNamara brothers (James and John McNamara), two Irish-American brothers who wanted to unionize the paper. The McNamaras became a cause célèbre amongst the labor movement in the United States, though their support eroded when they admitted their guilt.

So please try to stay somewhere ner the topic here..

At American universities Lefties regurally try to get conservative speaking engagements cancelled, try to stop conservatives from having demonstrations, and have even threatened to sue the school at times if someone dares to speak counter to their agenda.

Quote:This back and forth can be done all day, but it's pointless.

What's funny is the back and forth was started with this comment...

"The problem is that conservatives call that indoctrination." -- Fitbud

I agree it's a generational issue on both side but it is most often expressed at universities by the leftist in power.

Quote:Now, it seems like you guys are trashing an entire generation based on a petition with less than 500 signatures. That seems a little superfluous.

The petition is just evidence... The Millennial kids are the most self absorbed generation since the 1920's and honestly they are giving that generation a run for their money.

Your first sentence. You did the same thing a few posts back.
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I remember back in 09 when Alan Keyes protested Obama's appearance at Notre Dame. We had a thread here. Nobody complained that his group wasn't "open to new ideas" or respectful over other opinions. Seems to be a double standard.
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(05-15-2014 12:06 PM)john01992 Wrote:  
(05-15-2014 12:02 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  "The entire point of college is to be exposed to different things: Different types of people, different ideas"

I agree 100%.

The problem is that conservatives call that indoctrination.

03-lmfao

Uhhhh, that's really not all that funny. In fact it's downright stupid. But, unfortunately par for the course as Fit doesn't quite understand what he's writing about.

Would either of you care to try and make the argument that there is MORE openness and expression of differing ideas and perspectives on College campuses than there was, say a generation ago? More diversity of guest speakers, lets say, and commencements offered by both sides of the political aisle?

That certain types of speech, actions, dress, even thoughts themselves are more readily tolerated than even 20 years ago?

Go ahead, one or both of you make your case. THIS oughta be good! 03-yawn
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(05-15-2014 01:20 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  
(05-15-2014 12:06 PM)john01992 Wrote:  
(05-15-2014 12:02 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  "The entire point of college is to be exposed to different things: Different types of people, different ideas"

I agree 100%.

The problem is that conservatives call that indoctrination.

03-lmfao

Uhhhh, that's really not all that funny. In fact it's downright stupid. But, unfortunately par for the course as Fit doesn't quite understand what he's writing about.

Would either of you care to try and make the argument that there is MORE openness and expression of differing ideas and perspectives on College campuses than there was, say a generation ago? More diversity of guest speakers, lets say, and commencements offered by both sides of the political aisle?

That certain types of speech, actions, dress, even thoughts themselves are more readily tolerated than even 20 years ago?

Go ahead, one or both of you make your case. THIS oughta be good! 03-yawn

I know you didn't ask for me and I can only speak for ECU, but we've had pretty good diversity in opinion. Campus Crusade (and several other Christian groups) met just as much opposition as GLAAD, none. We've had preachers, not just those carny preacher's either. I wish I could name them all.
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(05-15-2014 01:20 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  I remember back in 09 when Alan Keyes protested Obama's appearance at Notre Dame. We had a thread here. Nobody complained that his group wasn't "open to new ideas" or respectful over other opinions. Seems to be a double standard.

Worth discussing- ND is a religious school (Rutgers, Smith, aren't), advocating explicit positions.

Obama's policies contradict Notre Dame's explicit religious position.

The discussion has taken place.

Of course some wisdom from a ****** person might be available, but ND could do better.

So there are some substantive differences.
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(05-15-2014 01:40 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  
(05-15-2014 01:20 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  I remember back in 09 when Alan Keyes protested Obama's appearance at Notre Dame. We had a thread here. Nobody complained that his group wasn't "open to new ideas" or respectful over other opinions. Seems to be a double standard.

Worth discussing- Obama's policies contradict Notre Dame's explicit religious position.

The discussion has taken place.

ND is a religious school (Rutgers, Smith, aren't), advocating explicit positions.

So there are some substantive differences.

So Notre Dame is cool for having very few people stand against a person, but Rutgers and Smith aren't?

I'm not a psychic but I believe that if Rutgers or Smith caused Eric Holder to cancel, this board would be posting it as a point of pride.
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I must be a millennial. I no longer have the patience for half the **** I hear.
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(05-15-2014 01:48 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  
(05-15-2014 01:40 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  
(05-15-2014 01:20 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  I remember back in 09 when Alan Keyes protested Obama's appearance at Notre Dame. We had a thread here. Nobody complained that his group wasn't "open to new ideas" or respectful over other opinions. Seems to be a double standard.

Worth discussing- Obama's policies contradict Notre Dame's explicit religious position.

The discussion has taken place.

ND is a religious school (Rutgers, Smith, aren't), advocating explicit positions.

So there are some substantive differences.

So Notre Dame is cool for having very few people stand against a person, but Rutgers and Smith aren't?

ND wasn't cool, they let him speak, right?

ND students make a statement by attending there. Hypocrisy or lack of conviction, isn't "cool".

Same w/ Rutgers and Smith students. They're there to learn, right? But they only want to learn what they already know.

Quote:I'm not a psychic but I believe that if Rutgers or Smith caused Eric Holder to cancel, this board would be posting it as a point of pride.

Be fair. If Rutgers or Smith cancelled on Carrot Top or Justin Bieber, the board would smirk as well.
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(05-15-2014 02:15 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  
(05-15-2014 01:48 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  
(05-15-2014 01:40 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  
(05-15-2014 01:20 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  I remember back in 09 when Alan Keyes protested Obama's appearance at Notre Dame. We had a thread here. Nobody complained that his group wasn't "open to new ideas" or respectful over other opinions. Seems to be a double standard.

Worth discussing- Obama's policies contradict Notre Dame's explicit religious position.

The discussion has taken place.

ND is a religious school (Rutgers, Smith, aren't), advocating explicit positions.

So there are some substantive differences.

So Notre Dame is cool for having very few people stand against a person, but Rutgers and Smith aren't?

ND wasn't cool, they let him speak, right?

ND students make a statement by attending there. Hypocrisy or lack of conviction, isn't "cool".

Same w/ Rutgers and Smith students. They're there to learn, right? But they only want to learn what they already know.

Quote:I'm not a psychic but I believe that if Rutgers or Smith caused Eric Holder to cancel, this board would be posting it as a point of pride.

Be fair. If Rutgers or Smith cancelled on Carrot Top or Justin Bieber, the board would smirk as well.

If Rutgers or Smith cancelled those two, it would've never made the board.

I'm not trying to place undue blame on conservatives or liberals, I'm just saying that the article in the OP is flawed. She assumes that this is a millennials problem, but it's an America problem.

The article says that millennials should try to seek wisdom from otherwise sh1t people, whom we may disagree with. I agree, but we would be the first generation in a LONG time to do such.
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(05-15-2014 01:04 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(05-15-2014 12:29 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  It's an example of wider spread problems in our generation but not the problem. I think we all get that.

Like I said, I think the worst thing to happen to the generation is parents telling everybody what a special snowflake everybody was when 80% were average. Those kids never really found what they were good at for the most part and are no just pissed off life isn't giving them what they grew to expect out of it.

Based upon what I have seen in this forum, the only people who are pissed off at the world are conservatives.

Maybe one day you'll contribute to a conversation. The generation is neither wholly conservative or liberal.
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(05-15-2014 02:40 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(05-15-2014 01:04 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(05-15-2014 12:29 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  It's an example of wider spread problems in our generation but not the problem. I think we all get that.

Like I said, I think the worst thing to happen to the generation is parents telling everybody what a special snowflake everybody was when 80% were average. Those kids never really found what they were good at for the most part and are no just pissed off life isn't giving them what they grew to expect out of it.

Based upon what I have seen in this forum, the only people who are pissed off at the world are conservatives.

Maybe one day you'll contribute to a conversation. The generation is neither wholly conservative or liberal.

Thank goodness for that. Otherwise everyone would be pissed off 24/7.
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