(05-14-2014 10:55 PM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 04:05 PM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  Only the P5 conferences have the luxury of having geographically cohesive conferences, and even the ACC and B12 have taken hits in that area recently. B1G, PAC, and SEC have footprints that are just so neat and tidy. It would be cool to be in that sort of configuration, but we just have to make do with what we got.

How is the PAC "tidy?"

Exactly. These maps prove that outside of the MAC and Big 10 the rest are anything but tidy. I stick by my orginal post that we are no more spread out than the others and we all reside in big Eastern cities for the most part which does make us unified in that regard. With all the expansion and panic moves to keep leagues going no one is truly geographically together but we are as much as most really. I mean honestly it is probably much cheaper to fly big city to big city travel wise than some of these college towns that don't have large airports anyway.

(05-14-2014 05:48 PM)panicstricken Wrote:  Bearcat whips me

How is the city of Cincinnati that much difference than Tulsa other than having more ghetto, less money, and suburb fllght to KY?

Up to a year and half ago, my sister-in-law lived in Tulsa. Tulsa is a nice town indeed. You should be proud of your city. Unfortunately, the two cities are not even close to similar. The biggest differences between the two cities are:

1) There are more than twice the population in the metro Cincinnati area than what is in Tulsa.
2) In addition Cincinnati has the Dayton metro area (over 1M people) just up the road forming their own version of the "Twin Cities".
3) Cincinnati has nine Fortune 500 and fifteen Fortune 1000 companies, which is more per capita than NYC and Chicago.
4) Tulsa has a nice arts community, but Cincinnati is on another level with numerous musical and theater operations. The city just hosted the World Choir Games in 2012 (the first US city to do so). The city has several large arts venues, including Cincinnati Music Hall and the Aronoff Center for the Performing Arts.
5) Cincinnati has an NFL and MLB franchise. Cincinnati also has the Western & Southern Open, a master's series tennis tournament. This adds signifcant revenue and attention to the city as it is the biggest summer tennis event in the country.
6) Tulsa and Oral Roberts are great schools but the combination of Cincinnati, Xavier, Miami of Ohio and Northern Kentucky have a lot more to offer and bring much more $$$ to their communities.
7) Cincinnati has the #1 ranked Children's Hospital in the nation.
8) Cincinnati's park system is currently ranked 4th in the nation. Any city resident is within 1 mile of a park.

(05-15-2014 07:53 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 05:48 PM)panicstricken Wrote:  Bearcat whips me

How is the city of Cincinnati that much difference than Tulsa other than having more ghetto, less money, and suburb fllght to KY?

Up to a year and half ago, my sister-in-law lived in Tulsa. Tulsa is a nice town indeed. You should be proud of your city. Unfortunately, the two cities are not even close to similar. The biggest differences between the two cities are:

1) There are more than twice the population in the metro Cincinnati area than what is in Tulsa.
2) In addition Cincinnati has the Dayton metro area (over 1M people) just up the road forming their own version of the "Twin Cities".
3) Cincinnati has nine Fortune 500 and fifteen Fortune 1000 companies, which is more per capita than NYC and Chicago.
4) Tulsa has a nice arts community, but Cincinnati is on another level with numerous musical and theater operations. The city just hosted the World Choir Games in 2012 (the first US city to do so). The city has several large arts venues, including Cincinnati Music Hall and the Aronoff Center for the Performing Arts.
5) Cincinnati has an NFL and MLB franchise. Cincinnati also has the Western & Southern Open, a master's series tennis tournament. This adds signifcant revenue and attention to the city as it is the biggest summer tennis event in the country.
6) Tulsa and Oral Roberts are great schools but the combination of Cincinnati, Xavier, Miami of Ohio and Northern Kentucky have a lot more to offer and bring much more $$$ to their communities.
7) Cincinnati has the #1 ranked Children's Hospital in the nation.
8) Cincinnati's park system is currently ranked 4th in the nation. Any city resident is within 1 mile of a park.

You know the other thing was... I INCLUDED Tulsa in with the idea of a coherent principle of urban universities located in major a media market...

So I laughed when the Tulsa fan decided to go off on me... Sometimes you cannot win.

Cincinnati is a small city with a large metro area around it. I like how you guys group in Suburbs in different states to your metropolis identity. Its a small city. Period. Its smaller than Tulsa, smaller than New Orleans, smaller than Memphis, smaller than Orlando, and smaller than Tampa.

296,000

https://www.google.com/search?q=Cinncina...al&spell=1


But that's not really the point. The point is that UC fans need to stop bitching and moaning about what a misfit Tulsa is as a school, city, market over and over. If UC didnt have a commuter school label, was in a giant market, filled a big stadium and actually brought something to the table they would be in the ACC/Big 12. Sadly they don't so their fans would be better suited to just STFU about how miserable the AAC.

UC also has ten times the enrollment we have and still cant fill its small stadium but yeah...you guys totally belong in the Big 12. It will never happen.

I cant wait to knock your (expletive deleted) in the dirt.

(05-15-2014 08:28 AM)panicstricken Wrote:  Cincinnati is a small city with a large metro area around it. I like how you guys group in Suburbs in different states to your metropolis identity. Its a small city. Period. Its smaller than Tulsa, smaller than New Orleans, smaller than Memphis, smaller than Orlando, and smaller than Tampa.

296,000

https://www.google.com/search?q=Cinncina...al&spell=1


But that's not really the point. The point is that UC fans need to stop bitching and moaning about what a misfit Tulsa is as a school, city, market over and over. If UC didnt have a commuter school label, was in a giant market, filled a big stadium and actually brought something to the table they would be in the ACC/Big 12. Sadly they don't so their fans would be better suited to just STFU about how miserable the AAC.

UC also has ten times the enrollment we have and still cant fill its small stadium but yeah...you guys totally belong in the Big 12. It will never happen.

I cant wait to knock your (expletive deleted) in the dirt.

Hey drama queen...

NOBODY in this thread has labeled Tulsa a "misfit" school. Read the post, engage the brain, chill out.

As for whether or not UC fans are "happy" about being in the conference or not... That's really none of your concern. And, practically speaking, do you think patronizing and scolding will help on that account?

Well, at least we were all Civil War States according to Harper's Weekly 1861.

Adding Charlotte to CUSA makes it look a bit better.

The thing that strikes me about the ACC is the distance north and south.

(05-14-2014 05:19 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 05:08 PM)Carolina Stang Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 03:44 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  Look, I'm not trying to be a jerk about this... I just really don't think the word "coherent" applies to the geography of the conference...

When the conference was assembled, there WAS a coherent principle, though it fell apart... That principle was picking urban schools in major media markets. The exception, at that point, was UConn, though UConn could be argued to be in the NYC DMA. But seriously, the line-up of
--Temple
--Cincinnati
--Houston
--Memphis
--USF
--UCF
--SMU
Then
--Tulane
and even
--Tulsa

All made a coherent type of sense. We even argued if the old title "Metro" would be resurrected for the new conference. ECU presented a break with that logic to some degree. Navy, of course, defies an easy category.

But geographically coherent? Not so much.

Is this "coherent" to you? It shouldn't be...

Yes... A LOT more coherent than the AAC... But what of it? The argument wasn't that the ACC was "coherent" but that the AAC was. It frankly doesn't matter what any other conference does.

But the MAC, FWIW, is fairly coherent, geographically. Geographic coherence isn't always a good or great thing. But I think you could argue that (after the whole UCF episode, which frankly bothered me) the MAC is a fairly geographically coherent conference.

But I digress.... I just don't think you can argue that the AAC has a "coherent geography."

I agree that basically no conference is coherent anymore, except for maybe the MAC and B10. SEC/PAC have nice groupings, but every conference these days is entirely too spread-out for my tastes.

My major point is that we aren't any worse than ACC, which contains teams from Miami to Boston - two cities with very little in common. Or Tallahassee and Syracuse? Plz. The core of the ACC has always been VA/NC/SC/FL.

To have added Louisville, Pitt, BC, Cuse was purely a land grab for basketball. Those programs should not be in the ACC.

(05-15-2014 09:33 AM)Carolina Stang Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 05:19 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 05:08 PM)Carolina Stang Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 03:44 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  Look, I'm not trying to be a jerk about this... I just really don't think the word "coherent" applies to the geography of the conference...

When the conference was assembled, there WAS a coherent principle, though it fell apart... That principle was picking urban schools in major media markets. The exception, at that point, was UConn, though UConn could be argued to be in the NYC DMA. But seriously, the line-up of
--Temple
--Cincinnati
--Houston
--Memphis
--USF
--UCF
--SMU
Then
--Tulane
and even
--Tulsa

All made a coherent type of sense. We even argued if the old title "Metro" would be resurrected for the new conference. ECU presented a break with that logic to some degree. Navy, of course, defies an easy category.

But geographically coherent? Not so much.

Is this "coherent" to you? It shouldn't be...

Yes... A LOT more coherent than the AAC... But what of it? The argument wasn't that the ACC was "coherent" but that the AAC was. It frankly doesn't matter what any other conference does.

But the MAC, FWIW, is fairly coherent, geographically. Geographic coherence isn't always a good or great thing. But I think you could argue that (after the whole UCF episode, which frankly bothered me) the MAC is a fairly geographically coherent conference.

But I digress.... I just don't think you can argue that the AAC has a "coherent geography."

I agree that basically no conference is coherent anymore, except for maybe the MAC and B10. SEC/PAC have nice groupings, but every conference these days is entirely too spread-out for my tastes.

My major point is that we aren't any worse than ACC, which contains teams from Miami to Boston - two cities with very little in common. Or Tallahassee and Syracuse? Plz. The core of the ACC has always been VA/NC/SC/FL.

To have added Louisville, Pitt, BC, Cuse was purely a land grab for basketball. Those programs should not be in the ACC.

The one thing that the ACC does have on us (the AAC) is that the VAST majority of their games are in ONE time zone. The AAC, on the other hand, spans two time-zones (Eastern and Central) which complicates the scheduling at least a little. The Big XII has this too and, living in West Virginia, it's a real problem for WVU in that the games are late (especially in BB) because the majority of the conference is on Central time.

The only exception that the ACC has (I think...these things change over the years) is South Bend. I lived in South Bend for a couple of years (more than a decade ago now), and it ***used to be*** that South Bend was in the Eastern Time Zone during "standard time" and in the Central Time Zone during "daylight savings time." (Indiana was funny that way... 85% of the state stayed on Standard Time; the extreme NW corner stayed on Central time all year long (Chicago suburbs) and the extreme SE corner stayed on Eastern all year long (Cincinnati suburbs)...) I think Indiana changed that rule now, but I ***think*** SoBend is on Central time....

Good point - I hadn't thought about the time zone issue. Although those exist for others...even the beloved SEC now that they span west to Texas.

The B1G is done expanding, until it expands again.

(05-15-2014 10:27 AM)UConnFB Wrote:  The B1G is done expanding, until it expands again.

This.

But with that said, I think the motive for further expansion has plummeted in the last 18 months.

Jerry

I had you confused with other bearcat handle.

Ive got no beef with you.

Sorry for melting.

having a 1 time zone difference isn't that big of a deal. It's worse for WVU because they're the only team in the eastern time zone. With the AAC half the league is east and half in central. Yeah there will be some 9pm starts in basketball. Big East had that for years. ACC has that. A lot of the late starts have nothing to do with time zones- and everything to do with TV.

Also- all of the other leagues are in more than 1 time zone now. Big Ten, Big 12 now, ACC now, SEC, Pac 12 now, MAC, SBC, CUSA, MWC, all are in more than 1 time zone. CUSA is in 3. MWC is in 3.

(05-15-2014 10:44 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(05-15-2014 10:27 AM)UConnFB Wrote:  The B1G is done expanding, until it expands again.

This.

But with that said, I think the motive for further expansion has plummeted in the last 18 months.

The wise move is to let study how expansion has worked, assess and then choose whether or further action will take place.

Add in the fact that the playoffs will change the calculus. When they prove to be popular, they will inevitably expand them, there is another huge X Factor there.

I think in 5-7 year's time, the next window for action may open.

(05-15-2014 10:49 AM)UConnFB Wrote:  

(05-15-2014 10:44 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(05-15-2014 10:27 AM)UConnFB Wrote:  The B1G is done expanding, until it expands again.

This.

But with that said, I think the motive for further expansion has plummeted in the last 18 months.

The wise move is to let study how expansion has worked, assess and then choose whether or further action will take place.

Add in the fact that the playoffs will change the calculus. When they prove to be popular, they will inevitably expand them, there is another huge X Factor there.

I think in 5-7 year's time, the next window for action may open.

very possible...

I think there's a group of about 10 schools that could move up
UConn
Cincy
USF
UCF
Memphis
Tulane
Houston
SMU
Colorado St
New Mexico

not sure if there's any more than that quite frankly. If I'm those schools I'm investing big time into my programs right now. Also into the infrastructure of the program- facilities etc.

(05-15-2014 10:52 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(05-15-2014 10:49 AM)UConnFB Wrote:  

(05-15-2014 10:44 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(05-15-2014 10:27 AM)UConnFB Wrote:  The B1G is done expanding, until it expands again.

This.

But with that said, I think the motive for further expansion has plummeted in the last 18 months.

The wise move is to let study how expansion has worked, assess and then choose whether or further action will take place.

Add in the fact that the playoffs will change the calculus. When they prove to be popular, they will inevitably expand them, there is another huge X Factor there.

I think in 5-7 year's time, the next window for action may open.

very possible...

I think there's a group of about 10 schools that could move up
UConn
Cincy
USF
UCF
Memphis
Tulane
Houston
SMU
Colorado St
New Mexico

not sure if there's any more than that quite frankly. If I'm those schools I'm investing big time into my programs right now. Also into the infrastructure of the program- facilities etc.

Who knows. I never imagined Rutgers would get into the B1G so I guess anything is possible.

I hate to quibble but if Tulane is on there, then why wouldn't Boise State be listed or SDSU?

If I were king, I would have identified the Top 12 revenue producing G5 schools, regardless of geographic location and made a conference out of it. One would assume, schools with more revenue get better ratings, have more fans and in general have similar ideas on the way things ought to be running.

Footprint and being contiguous briefs well, but if you design a national conference and that actually is your intent, then foptprint is irrelevant.

(05-15-2014 11:02 AM)UConnFB Wrote:  

(05-15-2014 10:52 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(05-15-2014 10:49 AM)UConnFB Wrote:  

(05-15-2014 10:44 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(05-15-2014 10:27 AM)UConnFB Wrote:  The B1G is done expanding, until it expands again.

This.

But with that said, I think the motive for further expansion has plummeted in the last 18 months.

The wise move is to let study how expansion has worked, assess and then choose whether or further action will take place.

Add in the fact that the playoffs will change the calculus. When they prove to be popular, they will inevitably expand them, there is another huge X Factor there.

I think in 5-7 year's time, the next window for action may open.

very possible...

I think there's a group of about 10 schools that could move up
UConn
Cincy
USF
UCF
Memphis
Tulane
Houston
SMU
Colorado St
New Mexico

not sure if there's any more than that quite frankly. If I'm those schools I'm investing big time into my programs right now. Also into the infrastructure of the program- facilities etc.

Who knows. I never imagined Rutgers would get into the B1G so I guess anything is possible.

I hate to quibble but if Tulane is on there, then why wouldn't Boise State be listed or SDSU?

If I were king, I would have identified the Top 12 revenue producing G5 schools, regardless of geographic location and made a conference out of it. One would assume, schools with more revenue get better ratings, have more fans and in general have similar ideas on the way things ought to be running.

Footprint and being contiguous briefs well, but if you design a national conference and that actually is your intent, then foptprint is irrelevant.

location. If Tulane got really going, I think they would really have a shot at the Big 12. Location wise, don't see Boise or San Diego State having much of a chance at all. logistics don't favor them at all.

(05-15-2014 11:33 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(05-15-2014 11:02 AM)UConnFB Wrote:  

(05-15-2014 10:52 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(05-15-2014 10:49 AM)UConnFB Wrote:  

(05-15-2014 10:44 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  This.

But with that said, I think the motive for further expansion has plummeted in the last 18 months.

The wise move is to let study how expansion has worked, assess and then choose whether or further action will take place.

Add in the fact that the playoffs will change the calculus. When they prove to be popular, they will inevitably expand them, there is another huge X Factor there.

I think in 5-7 year's time, the next window for action may open.

very possible...

I think there's a group of about 10 schools that could move up
UConn
Cincy
USF
UCF
Memphis
Tulane
Houston
SMU
Colorado St
New Mexico

not sure if there's any more than that quite frankly. If I'm those schools I'm investing big time into my programs right now. Also into the infrastructure of the program- facilities etc.

Who knows. I never imagined Rutgers would get into the B1G so I guess anything is possible.

I hate to quibble but if Tulane is on there, then why wouldn't Boise State be listed or SDSU?

If I were king, I would have identified the Top 12 revenue producing G5 schools, regardless of geographic location and made a conference out of it. One would assume, schools with more revenue get better ratings, have more fans and in general have similar ideas on the way things ought to be running.

Footprint and being contiguous briefs well, but if you design a national conference and that actually is your intent, then foptprint is irrelevant.

location. If Tulane got really going, I think they would really have a shot at the Big 12. Location wise, don't see Boise or San Diego State having much of a chance at all. logistics don't favor them at all.

That IF should be in like size 48 font.

Get everyone looking left then hit em from the right.