(05-14-2014 12:10 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 11:18 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 11:07 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 10:59 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 10:56 AM)john01992 Wrote:  i wouldn't say you could poach any mac school at will. and you sure as hell can't poach the mwc/byu

Did I include the MWC? No. I definitely think we could poach several MWC schools if that plan was carried out. SDSU loves the AAC and was basically forced to return with Boise. I think we could get SDSU, UNLV, and Fresno if we wanted. The front range schools seem to like their little pod.

sorry but there is no prize for being better than the SBC. that is like patting yourself on the back for being taller than the shortest midget.

BSU & SDSU joined the big east and opted not to join when the BE became the AAC.

the AAC simply does not have the same wealth, money, resources, & power as their glory days of the BE when every g5 school wanted to join.

just because you shot jesse james doesn't make you jesse james.

Wrong. Boise left when the MWC offered them a sweetheart TV deal where they kept their own revenue. SDSU didn't want to leave but understood it made no sense for them without a partner.

And where does the SunBelt come up? I mentioned 3 conferences that we could pick anyone from.

Actually you have that a bit wrong. Boise St does not get to keep their own revenue. The whole MWC benefits from the deal but the schools that do well and are picked for national tv games get bonuses. Also, BSU is guaranteed x number of espn appearances. Smart moves by the MWC.

Oh, any you think the AAC can yank any school out of C-USA? Prove it. Get your conference to invite UTEP and lets see what happens. Go ahead, I dare ya.

UTEP & rice would be a nice add to the conference IMO

(05-14-2014 12:17 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 12:10 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 11:18 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 11:07 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 10:59 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  Did I include the MWC? No. I definitely think we could poach several MWC schools if that plan was carried out. SDSU loves the AAC and was basically forced to return with Boise. I think we could get SDSU, UNLV, and Fresno if we wanted. The front range schools seem to like their little pod.

sorry but there is no prize for being better than the SBC. that is like patting yourself on the back for being taller than the shortest midget.

BSU & SDSU joined the big east and opted not to join when the BE became the AAC.

the AAC simply does not have the same wealth, money, resources, & power as their glory days of the BE when every g5 school wanted to join.

just because you shot jesse james doesn't make you jesse james.

Wrong. Boise left when the MWC offered them a sweetheart TV deal where they kept their own revenue. SDSU didn't want to leave but understood it made no sense for them without a partner.

And where does the SunBelt come up? I mentioned 3 conferences that we could pick anyone from.

Actually you have that a bit wrong. Boise St does not get to keep their own revenue. The whole MWC benefits from the deal but the schools that do well and are picked for national tv games get bonuses. Also, BSU is guaranteed x number of espn appearances. Smart moves by the MWC.

Oh, any you think the AAC can yank any school out of C-USA? Prove it. Get your conference to invite UTEP and lets see what happens. Go ahead, I dare ya.

UTEP & rice would be a nice add to the conference IMO

Why would we do that? Rice = Houston, double market tap.

(05-14-2014 11:58 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  The American can poach any team from the G4 Conferences they want.

Any school from SBC and C-USA would jump at an opportunity to be in the AAC.

Most of the MAC school would probably want to stay in the MAC just because it fits in better with their school and where they want to be in a conference they can compete in with local schools. They are not trying to go against the P5 programs like Cincinnati is. However a school who might want to try to become a larger athletic program and compete with P5 schools could be Ohio, Northern Illinois, and Buffalo and they would jump at being in the AAC to get that next step towards being a larger athletic program.

When it comes to the MWC it is split. Schools like SDSU and Fresno would love an AAC invite but it does not make since because of geography and not having a travel partner. Boise State left because the MWC gave them a larger split of conference revenue money than their peers. When they came to the AAC to give them the same deal they said no so Boise stayed in the MWC. But if the AAC offered a deal with SDSU, Fresno, Boise State, CSU or AF, and New Mexico to join they probably jump all over it. They could cut some dead way in Utah State, Nevada, UNLV, Wyoming, etc. and become the 6th best conference. Making it hard for the P5 to leave them behind if they decide to split.

BYU will not join a conference unless it is P5 conference because they do not want to seem lesser than Utah. BYU likes the AAC but we can not offer P5 tv revenue or bowl slots so there is no reason for BYU to join.


Here is a list of conference that can poach each other.

B1G/SEC
PAC12
ACC
B12
AAC
MWC
CUSA
SBC

Then the MAC is all by itself. No CUSA or SBC team want to join the MAC but also no MAC team wants to join CUSA or SBC.

i think the MAC, MWC, & AAC are on equal terms. one or two exceptions aside, none of them can offer enough incentives in a typical deal to make a school jump.

(05-14-2014 12:19 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 11:58 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  The American can poach any team from the G4 Conferences they want.

Any school from SBC and C-USA would jump at an opportunity to be in the AAC.

Most of the MAC school would probably want to stay in the MAC just because it fits in better with their school and where they want to be in a conference they can compete in with local schools. They are not trying to go against the P5 programs like Cincinnati is. However a school who might want to try to become a larger athletic program and compete with P5 schools could be Ohio, Northern Illinois, and Buffalo and they would jump at being in the AAC to get that next step towards being a larger athletic program.

When it comes to the MWC it is split. Schools like SDSU and Fresno would love an AAC invite but it does not make since because of geography and not having a travel partner. Boise State left because the MWC gave them a larger split of conference revenue money than their peers. When they came to the AAC to give them the same deal they said no so Boise stayed in the MWC. But if the AAC offered a deal with SDSU, Fresno, Boise State, CSU or AF, and New Mexico to join they probably jump all over it. They could cut some dead way in Utah State, Nevada, UNLV, Wyoming, etc. and become the 6th best conference. Making it hard for the P5 to leave them behind if they decide to split.

BYU will not join a conference unless it is P5 conference because they do not want to seem lesser than Utah. BYU likes the AAC but we can not offer P5 tv revenue or bowl slots so there is no reason for BYU to join.


Here is a list of conference that can poach each other.

B1G/SEC
PAC12
ACC
B12
AAC
MWC
CUSA
SBC

Then the MAC is all by itself. No CUSA or SBC team want to join the MAC but also no MAC team wants to join CUSA or SBC.

i think the MAC, MWC, & AAC are on equal terms. one or two exceptions aside, none of them can offer enough incentives in a typical deal to make a school jump.

MAC schools dont want to leave the MAC because none of them have any aspirations. They like being in their league of 100+ years.

(05-14-2014 12:18 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 12:17 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 12:10 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 11:18 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 11:07 AM)john01992 Wrote:  sorry but there is no prize for being better than the SBC. that is like patting yourself on the back for being taller than the shortest midget.

BSU & SDSU joined the big east and opted not to join when the BE became the AAC.

the AAC simply does not have the same wealth, money, resources, & power as their glory days of the BE when every g5 school wanted to join.

just because you shot jesse james doesn't make you jesse james.

Wrong. Boise left when the MWC offered them a sweetheart TV deal where they kept their own revenue. SDSU didn't want to leave but understood it made no sense for them without a partner.

And where does the SunBelt come up? I mentioned 3 conferences that we could pick anyone from.

Actually you have that a bit wrong. Boise St does not get to keep their own revenue. The whole MWC benefits from the deal but the schools that do well and are picked for national tv games get bonuses. Also, BSU is guaranteed x number of espn appearances. Smart moves by the MWC.

Oh, any you think the AAC can yank any school out of C-USA? Prove it. Get your conference to invite UTEP and lets see what happens. Go ahead, I dare ya.

UTEP & rice would be a nice add to the conference IMO

Why would we do that? Rice = Houston, double market tap.

because i like those schools, it gives the last two "historic" football schools a home in the MWC or AAC. and i think the AAC has a lot of potential with a heavy texas presence.

(05-14-2014 09:34 AM)john01992 Wrote:  can AAC fans take their "stop calling us a g5 conference because we are not a g5 conference" BS and keep it on the AAC board?

When Syracuse fans admit that their football program sucks and they only made the ACC based on success 20+ years ago then they will.

The only thing we know about Syracuse is that they are overrated every year in basketball and their football program wouldn't beat most of the Sunbelt.

(05-14-2014 12:21 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 12:18 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 12:17 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 12:10 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 11:18 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  Wrong. Boise left when the MWC offered them a sweetheart TV deal where they kept their own revenue. SDSU didn't want to leave but understood it made no sense for them without a partner.

And where does the SunBelt come up? I mentioned 3 conferences that we could pick anyone from.

Actually you have that a bit wrong. Boise St does not get to keep their own revenue. The whole MWC benefits from the deal but the schools that do well and are picked for national tv games get bonuses. Also, BSU is guaranteed x number of espn appearances. Smart moves by the MWC.

Oh, any you think the AAC can yank any school out of C-USA? Prove it. Get your conference to invite UTEP and lets see what happens. Go ahead, I dare ya.

UTEP & rice would be a nice add to the conference IMO

Why would we do that? Rice = Houston, double market tap.

because i like those schools, it gives the last two "historic" football schools a home in the MWC or AAC. and i think the AAC has a lot of potential with a heavy texas presence.

The ACC loves "historic" football schools and doesn't have any Texas representation. I think you just found your number 15 and 16.

(05-14-2014 12:21 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 09:34 AM)john01992 Wrote:  can AAC fans take their "stop calling us a g5 conference because we are not a g5 conference" BS and keep it on the AAC board?

When Syracuse fans admit that their football program sucks and they only made the ACC based on success 20+ years ago then they will.

The only thing we know about Syracuse is that they are overrated every year in basketball and their football program wouldn't beat most of the Sunbelt.

3 bowl wins in the last 4 years = sucks?????

lmao ok.

the only bowl wins against teams worth mentioning in cincy's entire history are vandy & duke

(05-14-2014 12:25 PM)john01992 Wrote:  the only bowl wins against teams worth mentioning in cincy's entire history are vandy & duke

And beating Syracuse regularly, even when UC was stuck in non-BCS hell just as they are now.

Just admit it... Syracuse got lucky that they are part of the old boys club in a state that doesn't care about college football. Syracuse got in based on who they knew but not actually earning anything. At least Cincinnati can look back and know that it outperformed Syracuse in every way on the field.

Supposedly Arkansas ST to the MAC is a possibility.
So maybe the MAC can poach a team.

Having the Texas two along with Tulsa and Tulane is the start of a great eight team division.
ADD
New Mexico
Colorado State
SDSU
Fresno State

Kill the only real competition and increase interest nationally.
UNLV would be the next best candidate or equal to CSU.
Boise State would have fan interest but bridges are already burnt.

(05-14-2014 09:34 AM)john01992 Wrote:  can AAC fans take their "stop calling us a g5 conference because we are not a g5 conference" BS and keep it on the AAC board?

I don't want it confined to the Go5 board ... I want them to take it to the CFP cartel, and say they aren't taking a share of the Go5 distribution and aren't participating in the best Go5 champion automatic spot in the Access Bowl. More money and access for the rest of us.

After all, "Group of Five" is originally a phrase from the CFP negotiations, and its just a fact that the American participated in the CFP negotiations alongside the MWC, MAC, CUSA and Sunbelt, so there's nothing to argue about regarding the American being a Go5 conference unless it turns its back on the negotiated benefits for Go5 schools from the CFP system.

Since the thread got hijacked

I was looking for MWC fans to chime in on which schools stand out or lag behind in facilities for example. Same for the other four G5 conferences. Obviously few of us can visit all these places. UTEP has some really good facilities .looks like a crater hit and a football stadium was crammed in the hole .

(05-14-2014 12:46 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  I don't want it confined to the Go5 board ... I want them to take it to the CFP cartel, and say they aren't taking a share of the Go5 distribution and aren't participating in the best Go5 champion automatic spot in the Access Bowl. More money and access for the rest of us.

After all, "Group of Five" is originally a phrase from the CFP negotiations, and its just a fact that the American participated in the CFP negotiations alongside the MWC, MAC, CUSA and Sunbelt, so there's nothing to argue about regarding the American being a Go5 conference unless it turns its back on the negotiated benefits for Go5 schools from the CFP system.

If only the schools in the Go5 offered free tattoos in exchange for sports memorabilia. Then they'd be considered big time because they have a higher salary cap that the Bengals and Browns like Ohio $tate does.

And I actually root for Ohio State when they aren't playing UC. Doesn't mean I don't recognize a completely corrupt school playing in a completely corrupt "CFP".

(05-14-2014 12:43 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 12:25 PM)john01992 Wrote:  the only bowl wins against teams worth mentioning in cincy's entire history are vandy & duke

And beating Syracuse regularly, even when UC was stuck in non-BCS hell just as they are now.

Just admit it... Syracuse got lucky that they are part of the old boys club in a state that doesn't care about college football. Syracuse got in based on who they knew but not actually earning anything. At least Cincinnati can look back and know that it outperformed Syracuse in every way on the field.

yeah sorry but my school rightfully earned its p5 spot because they were at the highest division of football since the 30s, are #15 on the all time wins list, have a national championship, a heisman winner and 7 NFL hall of famers (with plenty more to add to that in the near future), or our extensive history with a number of p5 schools. and then there is this whole having one of the most efficiently run athletic programs, one of the most respected ADs, and a large fan following aspect to it.......

no you are right, what separates SU & cincy from being & not being in the p5 is pure luck and none of the above ^^^^

(05-14-2014 01:09 PM)john01992 Wrote:  no you are right, what separates SU & cincy from being & not being in the p5 is pure luck and none of the above ^^^^

Syracuse certainly hasn't earned a damn thing in the past 20 years.

Cincinnati can look back and say that in the short time it was part of the BCS the program became a perennially top 25 football team and showed that Cincinnati can outperform most of the current P5 when they have that label attached to them. Syracuse showed during the BCS era that they basically are Purdue, Mississippi State, Washington State, or Iowa State in terms of the schools that most match them on the football field.

The "historically great" football schools of the Big East (Pitt and Syracuse) both had their asses handed to them when UC and Louisville came in. WVU, UC, and UL basically dominated those years... unfortunately for UC it came up just short of getting into a power conference.

(05-14-2014 01:15 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 01:09 PM)john01992 Wrote:  no you are right, what separates SU & cincy from being & not being in the p5 is pure luck and none of the above ^^^^

Syracuse certainly hasn't earned a damn thing in the past 20 years.

Cincinnati can look back and say that in the short time it was part of the BCS the program became a perennially top 25 football team and showed that Cincinnati can outperform most of the current P5 when they have that label attached to them. Syracuse showed during the BCS era that they basically are Purdue, Mississippi State, Washington State, or Iowa State in terms of the schools that most match them on the football field.

The "historically great" football schools of the Big East (Pitt and Syracuse) both had their asses handed to them when UC and Louisville came in. WVU, UC, and UL basically dominated those years... unfortunately for UC it came up just short of getting into a power conference.

you can sulk all you want. you can throw sour grapes all you want. but it can't change reality or the facts. cincy saying they are equal or better to syracuse is like syracuse saying they are equal or better than texas.

(05-14-2014 01:20 PM)john01992 Wrote:  you can sulk all you want. you can throw sour grapes all you want. but it can't change reality or the facts. cincy saying they are equal or better to syracuse is like syracuse saying they are equal or better than texas.

Over their time in the BCS they most certainly can say they are better than Syracuse. In fact, UC's resume compares more closely with Texas than Syracuse.

You can fall back to the Jim Brown years of your program all you want, that is like saying UC basketball should always be in the NCAA tournament because of Oscar Robertson. What have you done for me lately... Syracuse has done nothing even while having the BCS label and Power 5 label on your school from the get-go.

There is no doubt that Syracuse will eventually pass UC in the power strength arena in the near future, but it will be thanks to the huge playoff opportunities afforded to the P5 schools and not due to the fact that your school actually is impressive on the field.

(05-14-2014 12:51 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 12:46 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  I don't want it confined to the Go5 board ... I want them to take it to the CFP cartel, and say they aren't taking a share of the Go5 distribution and aren't participating in the best Go5 champion automatic spot in the Access Bowl. More money and access for the rest of us.

After all, "Group of Five" is originally a phrase from the CFP negotiations, and its just a fact that the American participated in the CFP negotiations alongside the MWC, MAC, CUSA and Sunbelt, so there's nothing to argue about regarding the American being a Go5 conference unless it turns its back on the negotiated benefits for Go5 schools from the CFP system.

If only the schools in the Go5 offered free tattoos in exchange for sports memorabilia. Then they'd be considered big time because they have a higher salary cap that the Bengals and Browns like Ohio $tate does.

And I actually root for Ohio State when they aren't playing UC. Doesn't mean I don't recognize a completely corrupt school playing in a completely corrupt "CFP".

But now you are undermining the argument that UC is not in the same group as Kent or Akron or OhioU or Toledo or Bowling Green or MiamiU, because you are saying that UC is not a P5 school, which makes UC a Go5 by process of elimination.

It is quite true that the Buckeyes have in the past been much clumsier in their corruption than most of the big SEC schools, and do need to catch up with the SEC in terms of the competence of their corruption, if they want to stay up in the top flight of college football.

(05-14-2014 01:26 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  But now you are undermining the argument that UC is not in the same group as Kent or Akron or OhioU or Toledo or Bowling Green or MiamiU, because you are saying that UC is not a P5 school, which makes UC a Go5 by process of elimination.

I certainly don't deny it... UC lost out on the lottery. It sucks, but to be honest I believe that the CFP is going to be a failure by the end as they have alienated large numbers of people... maybe not the largest fanbases, but people like me who would watch college football all day long because it had implications on UC. Now I'll watch UC and that is it... no need for the whole CFP BS as it is a sham anyway.

That being said, I think most of the AAC posters here are just trying to say that the AAC has the most powerful programs not in a P5 conference outside of possibly Boise State and want to be recognized as that. My viewpoint is that the AAC is just the best looking of the fat girls at the dance.

Quote:It is quite true that the Buckeyes have in the past been much clumsier in their corruption than most of the big SEC schools, and do need to catch up with the SEC in terms of the competence of their corruption, if they want to stay up in the top flight of college football.

Now that is funny. Cheers to you for having a sense of humor.