(05-14-2014 10:10 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  To me the AAC and the somewhat the MWC are tweeners. Some of the teams are very much like P5 schools and others in the conference...not so much. I really hope Football retains about 80-90 big time schools.

until the AAC is in a position where they can poach any other g5 school at will, they are in no position to act as if they are in a class of their own outside of the g5.

(05-14-2014 10:27 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 10:10 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  To me the AAC and the somewhat the MWC are tweeners. Some of the teams are very much like P5 schools and others in the conference...not so much. I really hope Football retains about 80-90 big time schools.

until the AAC is in a position where they can poach any other g5 school at will, they are in no position to act as if they are in a class of their own outside of the g5.

We can take any school from the MAC, CUSA, or Sun Belt

(05-14-2014 10:24 AM)Wedge Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 07:51 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  SDSU also plays in a rented stadium, one that would be torn down and replaced if the city of San Diego had the money to do so.

I think SDSU's facilities for most sports except football are really good. I've been to their baseball stadium and it's very nice. Their basketball arena is also relatively new. Football is their big vulnerability because SDSU is completely dependent on the Chargers staying in San Diego. If the Chargers get a new stadium that is close enough to SDSU, then the Aztecs are set. If the Chargers leave SD, though, it's unlikely that the city would continue to maintain the stadium, and SDSU would have to raise north of $100 million to either take over the stadium or build their own on campus.

hence the reasons I think schools like colorado state, new mexico, & unlv should get the nod for the mwc. they have a huge advantage in resources.

(05-14-2014 09:34 AM)john01992 Wrote:  can AAC fans take their "stop calling us a g5 conference because we are not a g5 conference" BS and keep it on the AAC board?

Sure, when half of the P5 hanger's on stop calling themselves "power."

(05-14-2014 10:28 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 10:24 AM)Wedge Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 07:51 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  SDSU also plays in a rented stadium, one that would be torn down and replaced if the city of San Diego had the money to do so.

I think SDSU's facilities for most sports except football are really good. I've been to their baseball stadium and it's very nice. Their basketball arena is also relatively new. Football is their big vulnerability because SDSU is completely dependent on the Chargers staying in San Diego. If the Chargers get a new stadium that is close enough to SDSU, then the Aztecs are set. If the Chargers leave SD, though, it's unlikely that the city would continue to maintain the stadium, and SDSU would have to raise north of $100 million to either take over the stadium or build their own on campus.

hence the reasons I think schools like colorado state, new mexico, & unlv should get the nod for the mwc. they have a huge advantage in resources.

It's a moot point because the doors to the P5 conferences are not open... but, no.

SDSU's facilities in sports other than football are as good or better than any of those.

The football stadium situation at any of those schools isn't better. Having drawings and models of proposed new stadiums doesn't give any of them "a leg up" because that is a long way away from having a new, quality stadium open for business -- as in, several years and a few hundred million dollars away.

SDSU also has a much bigger athletic budget than any of those schools, and that's where the rubber meets the road.

SDSU $42.3 million
CSU $32.2 million
UNM $32.1 million
UNLV $31.3 million

(source)

(05-14-2014 10:28 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 10:27 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 10:10 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  To me the AAC and the somewhat the MWC are tweeners. Some of the teams are very much like P5 schools and others in the conference...not so much. I really hope Football retains about 80-90 big time schools.

until the AAC is in a position where they can poach any other g5 school at will, they are in no position to act as if they are in a class of their own outside of the g5.

We can take any school from the MAC, CUSA, or Sun Belt

i wouldn't say you could poach any mac school at will. and you sure as hell can't poach the mwc/byu

(05-14-2014 10:45 AM)uconnwhaler Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 09:34 AM)john01992 Wrote:  can AAC fans take their "stop calling us a g5 conference because we are not a g5 conference" BS and keep it on the AAC board?

Sure, when half of the P5 hanger's on stop calling themselves "power."

well they are more powerful than you......

just saying

(05-14-2014 10:56 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 10:28 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 10:27 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 10:10 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  To me the AAC and the somewhat the MWC are tweeners. Some of the teams are very much like P5 schools and others in the conference...not so much. I really hope Football retains about 80-90 big time schools.

until the AAC is in a position where they can poach any other g5 school at will, they are in no position to act as if they are in a class of their own outside of the g5.

We can take any school from the MAC, CUSA, or Sun Belt

i wouldn't say you could poach any mac school at will. and you sure as hell can't poach the mwc/byu

Did I include the MWC? No. I definitely think we could poach several MWC schools if that plan was carried out. SDSU loves the AAC and was basically forced to return with Boise. I think we could get SDSU, UNLV, and Fresno if we wanted. The front range schools seem to like their little pod.

(05-14-2014 09:29 AM)MJG Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 09:15 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 09:10 AM)MJG Wrote:  left]my list is just to get the discussion going.

Does not matter if AAC is light years ahead of SBC every team plays two thirds of their schedule in conference.

So Fresno State recruits vs Utah State not Memphis or UConn.
SO THE DISCUSSION IS WHO IS CLEARLY AT THE TOP OF

EACH CONFERENCE[/align]

Well I think all of these are debatable. I'd put our facilities up to anyone in our conference.

My guess is ECU, Memphis, UCONN, Cincinnati Houston first tier. Second would include Tulsa , temple, Tulane for a clear divide. The top tier having no real advantage against each other . The second tier can still compete it is just a little harder to maintain success.

UConn, Temple, UC, Houston and Tulane will have the nicest football facilities in the AAC-especially with new stadiums for Tulane and Houston soon -and Temple plays in a very nice pro stadium. ECU and Memphis and SMU are similar facility wise in the middle--haven't ever seen Tulsa's but think it is on the smaller side of things.

(05-14-2014 10:59 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 10:56 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 10:28 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 10:27 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 10:10 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  To me the AAC and the somewhat the MWC are tweeners. Some of the teams are very much like P5 schools and others in the conference...not so much. I really hope Football retains about 80-90 big time schools.

until the AAC is in a position where they can poach any other g5 school at will, they are in no position to act as if they are in a class of their own outside of the g5.

We can take any school from the MAC, CUSA, or Sun Belt

i wouldn't say you could poach any mac school at will. and you sure as hell can't poach the mwc/byu

Did I include the MWC? No. I definitely think we could poach several MWC schools if that plan was carried out. SDSU loves the AAC and was basically forced to return with Boise. I think we could get SDSU, UNLV, and Fresno if we wanted. The front range schools seem to like their little pod.

sorry but there is no prize for being better than the SBC. that is like patting yourself on the back for being taller than the shortest midget.

BSU & SDSU joined the big east and opted not to join when the BE became the AAC.

the AAC simply does not have the same wealth, money, resources, & power as their glory days of the BE when every g5 school wanted to join.

just because you shot jesse james doesn't make you jesse james.

(05-14-2014 11:07 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 10:59 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 10:56 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 10:28 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 10:27 AM)john01992 Wrote:  until the AAC is in a position where they can poach any other g5 school at will, they are in no position to act as if they are in a class of their own outside of the g5.

We can take any school from the MAC, CUSA, or Sun Belt

i wouldn't say you could poach any mac school at will. and you sure as hell can't poach the mwc/byu

Did I include the MWC? No. I definitely think we could poach several MWC schools if that plan was carried out. SDSU loves the AAC and was basically forced to return with Boise. I think we could get SDSU, UNLV, and Fresno if we wanted. The front range schools seem to like their little pod.

sorry but there is no prize for being better than the SBC. that is like patting yourself on the back for being taller than the shortest midget.

BSU & SDSU joined the big east and opted not to join when the BE became the AAC.

the AAC simply does not have the same wealth, money, resources, & power as their glory days of the BE when every g5 school wanted to join.

just because you shot jesse james doesn't make you jesse james.

Wrong. Boise left when the MWC offered them a sweetheart TV deal where they kept their own revenue. SDSU didn't want to leave but understood it made no sense for them without a partner.

And where does the SunBelt come up? I mentioned 3 conferences that we could pick anyone from.

(05-14-2014 11:18 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 11:07 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 10:59 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 10:56 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 10:28 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  We can take any school from the MAC, CUSA, or Sun Belt

i wouldn't say you could poach any mac school at will. and you sure as hell can't poach the mwc/byu

Did I include the MWC? No. I definitely think we could poach several MWC schools if that plan was carried out. SDSU loves the AAC and was basically forced to return with Boise. I think we could get SDSU, UNLV, and Fresno if we wanted. The front range schools seem to like their little pod.

sorry but there is no prize for being better than the SBC. that is like patting yourself on the back for being taller than the shortest midget.

BSU & SDSU joined the big east and opted not to join when the BE became the AAC.

the AAC simply does not have the same wealth, money, resources, & power as their glory days of the BE when every g5 school wanted to join.

just because you shot jesse james doesn't make you jesse james.

Wrong. Boise left when the MWC offered them a sweetheart TV deal where they kept their own revenue. SDSU didn't want to leave but understood it made no sense for them without a partner.

And where does the SunBelt come up? I mentioned 3 conferences that we could pick anyone from.

Do you really believe you could pick anyone from the other conferences? Aren't the G5 conferences pretty similar in terms of media rights revenues and post season opportunities? Honestly can't see Boise or Fresno or SDSU or someone trying to travel cross country for essentially the same deal they get back home.

(05-14-2014 11:23 AM)Tbringer Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 11:18 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 11:07 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 10:59 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 10:56 AM)john01992 Wrote:  i wouldn't say you could poach any mac school at will. and you sure as hell can't poach the mwc/byu

Did I include the MWC? No. I definitely think we could poach several MWC schools if that plan was carried out. SDSU loves the AAC and was basically forced to return with Boise. I think we could get SDSU, UNLV, and Fresno if we wanted. The front range schools seem to like their little pod.

sorry but there is no prize for being better than the SBC. that is like patting yourself on the back for being taller than the shortest midget.

BSU & SDSU joined the big east and opted not to join when the BE became the AAC.

the AAC simply does not have the same wealth, money, resources, & power as their glory days of the BE when every g5 school wanted to join.

just because you shot jesse james doesn't make you jesse james.

Wrong. Boise left when the MWC offered them a sweetheart TV deal where they kept their own revenue. SDSU didn't want to leave but understood it made no sense for them without a partner.

And where does the SunBelt come up? I mentioned 3 conferences that we could pick anyone from.

Do you really believe you could pick anyone from the other conferences? Aren't the G5 conferences pretty similar in terms of media rights revenues and post season opportunities? Honestly can't see Boise or Fresno or SDSU or someone trying to travel cross country for essentially the same deal they get back home.

I have specifically outlined the 3 we could take from: SBC, CUSA, and MAC. We make 3 to 4 times what those conferences do and offer a premier power basketball league with exposure on an ESPN platform that is unmatched by anyone outside of the P5.

(05-14-2014 11:18 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 11:07 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 10:59 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 10:56 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 10:28 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  We can take any school from the MAC, CUSA, or Sun Belt

i wouldn't say you could poach any mac school at will. and you sure as hell can't poach the mwc/byu

Did I include the MWC? No. I definitely think we could poach several MWC schools if that plan was carried out. SDSU loves the AAC and was basically forced to return with Boise. I think we could get SDSU, UNLV, and Fresno if we wanted. The front range schools seem to like their little pod.

sorry but there is no prize for being better than the SBC. that is like patting yourself on the back for being taller than the shortest midget.

BSU & SDSU joined the big east and opted not to join when the BE became the AAC.

the AAC simply does not have the same wealth, money, resources, & power as their glory days of the BE when every g5 school wanted to join.

just because you shot jesse james doesn't make you jesse james.

Wrong. Boise left when the MWC offered them a sweetheart TV deal where they kept their own revenue. SDSU didn't want to leave but understood it made no sense for them without a partner.

And where does the SunBelt come up? I mentioned 3 conferences that we could pick anyone from.

if BSU had any real interest in joining the league they wouldn't have paid $5 mill just to back out.

C-usa & the SBC are the only conferences the AAC is capable of poaching right now. not my fault you live in a pipe dream.

(05-14-2014 11:28 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 11:18 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 11:07 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 10:59 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 10:56 AM)john01992 Wrote:  i wouldn't say you could poach any mac school at will. and you sure as hell can't poach the mwc/byu

Did I include the MWC? No. I definitely think we could poach several MWC schools if that plan was carried out. SDSU loves the AAC and was basically forced to return with Boise. I think we could get SDSU, UNLV, and Fresno if we wanted. The front range schools seem to like their little pod.

sorry but there is no prize for being better than the SBC. that is like patting yourself on the back for being taller than the shortest midget.

BSU & SDSU joined the big east and opted not to join when the BE became the AAC.

the AAC simply does not have the same wealth, money, resources, & power as their glory days of the BE when every g5 school wanted to join.

just because you shot jesse james doesn't make you jesse james.

Wrong. Boise left when the MWC offered them a sweetheart TV deal where they kept their own revenue. SDSU didn't want to leave but understood it made no sense for them without a partner.

And where does the SunBelt come up? I mentioned 3 conferences that we could pick anyone from.

if BSU had any real interest in joining the league they wouldn't have paid $5 mill just to back out.

C-usa & the SBC are the only conferences the AAC is capable of poaching right now. not my fault you live in a pipe dream.

OT but can you explain to me how you can root for 55 teams at the same time?

The American can poach any team from the G4 Conferences they want.

Any school from SBC and C-USA would jump at an opportunity to be in the AAC.

Most of the MAC school would probably want to stay in the MAC just because it fits in better with their school and where they want to be in a conference they can compete in with local schools. They are not trying to go against the P5 programs like Cincinnati is. However a school who might want to try to become a larger athletic program and compete with P5 schools could be Ohio, Northern Illinois, and Buffalo and they would jump at being in the AAC to get that next step towards being a larger athletic program.

When it comes to the MWC it is split. Schools like SDSU and Fresno would love an AAC invite but it does not make since because of geography and not having a travel partner. Boise State left because the MWC gave them a larger split of conference revenue money than their peers. When they came to the AAC to give them the same deal they said no so Boise stayed in the MWC. But if the AAC offered a deal with SDSU, Fresno, Boise State, CSU or AF, and New Mexico to join they probably jump all over it. They could cut some dead way in Utah State, Nevada, UNLV, Wyoming, etc. and become the 6th best conference. Making it hard for the P5 to leave them behind if they decide to split.

BYU will not join a conference unless it is P5 conference because they do not want to seem lesser than Utah. BYU likes the AAC but we can not offer P5 tv revenue or bowl slots so there is no reason for BYU to join.


Here is a list of conference that can poach each other.

B1G/SEC
PAC12
ACC
B12
AAC
MWC
CUSA
SBC

Then the MAC is all by itself. No CUSA or SBC team want to join the MAC but also no MAC team wants to join CUSA or SBC.

(05-14-2014 11:18 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 11:07 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 10:59 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 10:56 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 10:28 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  We can take any school from the MAC, CUSA, or Sun Belt

i wouldn't say you could poach any mac school at will. and you sure as hell can't poach the mwc/byu

Did I include the MWC? No. I definitely think we could poach several MWC schools if that plan was carried out. SDSU loves the AAC and was basically forced to return with Boise. I think we could get SDSU, UNLV, and Fresno if we wanted. The front range schools seem to like their little pod.

sorry but there is no prize for being better than the SBC. that is like patting yourself on the back for being taller than the shortest midget.

BSU & SDSU joined the big east and opted not to join when the BE became the AAC.

the AAC simply does not have the same wealth, money, resources, & power as their glory days of the BE when every g5 school wanted to join.

just because you shot jesse james doesn't make you jesse james.

Wrong. Boise left when the MWC offered them a sweetheart TV deal where they kept their own revenue. SDSU didn't want to leave but understood it made no sense for them without a partner.

And where does the SunBelt come up? I mentioned 3 conferences that we could pick anyone from.

Actually you have that a bit wrong. Boise St does not get to keep their own revenue. The whole MWC benefits from the deal but the schools that do well and are picked for national tv games get bonuses. Also, BSU is guaranteed x number of espn appearances. Smart moves by the MWC.

Oh, any you think the AAC can yank any school out of C-USA? Prove it. Get your conference to invite UTEP and lets see what happens. Go ahead, I dare ya.

(05-14-2014 12:10 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 11:18 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 11:07 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 10:59 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 10:56 AM)john01992 Wrote:  i wouldn't say you could poach any mac school at will. and you sure as hell can't poach the mwc/byu

Did I include the MWC? No. I definitely think we could poach several MWC schools if that plan was carried out. SDSU loves the AAC and was basically forced to return with Boise. I think we could get SDSU, UNLV, and Fresno if we wanted. The front range schools seem to like their little pod.

sorry but there is no prize for being better than the SBC. that is like patting yourself on the back for being taller than the shortest midget.

BSU & SDSU joined the big east and opted not to join when the BE became the AAC.

the AAC simply does not have the same wealth, money, resources, & power as their glory days of the BE when every g5 school wanted to join.

just because you shot jesse james doesn't make you jesse james.

Wrong. Boise left when the MWC offered them a sweetheart TV deal where they kept their own revenue. SDSU didn't want to leave but understood it made no sense for them without a partner.

And where does the SunBelt come up? I mentioned 3 conferences that we could pick anyone from.

Actually you have that a bit wrong. Boise St does not get to keep their own revenue. The whole MWC benefits from the deal but the schools that do well and are picked for national tv games get bonuses. Also, BSU is guaranteed x number of espn appearances. Smart moves by the MWC.

Oh, any you think the AAC can yank any school out of C-USA? Prove it. Get your conference to invite UTEP and lets see what happens. Go ahead, I dare ya.

Lol, I bet you'd like that

(05-14-2014 12:11 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 12:10 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 11:18 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 11:07 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 10:59 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  Did I include the MWC? No. I definitely think we could poach several MWC schools if that plan was carried out. SDSU loves the AAC and was basically forced to return with Boise. I think we could get SDSU, UNLV, and Fresno if we wanted. The front range schools seem to like their little pod.

sorry but there is no prize for being better than the SBC. that is like patting yourself on the back for being taller than the shortest midget.

BSU & SDSU joined the big east and opted not to join when the BE became the AAC.

the AAC simply does not have the same wealth, money, resources, & power as their glory days of the BE when every g5 school wanted to join.

just because you shot jesse james doesn't make you jesse james.

Wrong. Boise left when the MWC offered them a sweetheart TV deal where they kept their own revenue. SDSU didn't want to leave but understood it made no sense for them without a partner.

And where does the SunBelt come up? I mentioned 3 conferences that we could pick anyone from.

Actually you have that a bit wrong. Boise St does not get to keep their own revenue. The whole MWC benefits from the deal but the schools that do well and are picked for national tv games get bonuses. Also, BSU is guaranteed x number of espn appearances. Smart moves by the MWC.

Oh, any you think the AAC can yank any school out of C-USA? Prove it. Get your conference to invite UTEP and lets see what happens. Go ahead, I dare ya.

Lol, I bet you'd like that

Maybe, maybe not. Only one way to find out. Talk is cheap. Let's see that invite.

(05-14-2014 11:32 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 11:28 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 11:18 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 11:07 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 10:59 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  Did I include the MWC? No. I definitely think we could poach several MWC schools if that plan was carried out. SDSU loves the AAC and was basically forced to return with Boise. I think we could get SDSU, UNLV, and Fresno if we wanted. The front range schools seem to like their little pod.

sorry but there is no prize for being better than the SBC. that is like patting yourself on the back for being taller than the shortest midget.

BSU & SDSU joined the big east and opted not to join when the BE became the AAC.

the AAC simply does not have the same wealth, money, resources, & power as their glory days of the BE when every g5 school wanted to join.

just because you shot jesse james doesn't make you jesse james.

Wrong. Boise left when the MWC offered them a sweetheart TV deal where they kept their own revenue. SDSU didn't want to leave but understood it made no sense for them without a partner.

And where does the SunBelt come up? I mentioned 3 conferences that we could pick anyone from.

if BSU had any real interest in joining the league they wouldn't have paid $5 mill just to back out.

C-usa & the SBC are the only conferences the AAC is capable of poaching right now. not my fault you live in a pipe dream.

OT but can you explain to me how you can root for 55 teams at the same time?

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