(05-12-2014 11:21 AM)ken d Wrote:  Texas A&M doesn't have a P5 opponent OOC this year. But starting in 2015 they are scheduled to play a PAC 12 opponent for the next five years (Arizona St next year, then home and home against UCLA and Oregon). They don't need a permanent rival, and have obviously chosen to eschew their natural rivalry with UT for the foreseeable future.

I saw that earlier. It makes sense that they wouldn't want to give Texas and The Big 12 an SEC stage to showcase their program on. You could possibly see some ACC schools schedule Texas like Notre Dame has in an effort to build relationships for future ACC expansion. No doubt Swafford and The ACC would offer UT the same deal as ND. Food for thought.
CJ

(05-12-2014 10:09 AM)mj4life Wrote:  Since the SEC wants every team to play at least one P5 school yearly, the ACC is as attractive as anybody since it will have the flexibility to schedule home & home series(like LSU just did with Syracuse)

There is some inflexibility when its two schools from 9-conference game conferences, since most schools would rather their OOC P5 home and home series to be at home when they have 4 conference home games and away when they have 5, which makes two divisions pairing in each 9-game conference the natural pairings.

But with eight, the SEC schools that are not already locked with ACC rivals have plenty of flexibility.

I definitely support an ACC/SEC scheduling alliance. A&M has had great series in the past decade with Pitt, Clemson, Miami and Virginia Tech.

Let the instate schools play each other and the rest of us can rotate through each other.

(05-12-2014 11:26 AM)brista21 Wrote:  

(05-12-2014 10:59 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  I can't imagine A&M or Mizzou being too excited about playing Big 12 programs that they abandoned when they jumped to The SEC. I would expect to see both play more more ACC programs in the southeast. Presently A&M and Missouri don't have any Big 12 programs scheduled through the end of the decade.

A&M definitely wants nothing to do with the Big 12 at the moment. That's pretty obvious.

On the other hand, I don't see Mizzou being militant like that. I think they'd be game to use an OOC slot to regularly play a rotation of Nebraska, Illinois and the current Big 12 teams (sans WVU.) Gives them a regional OOC game against P5 opponents that they have history with. In some cases they have a lot of history. In others less so but it ensures they're playing in Texas as regularly as possible.

Can't see a Missouri WVU match up being anymore compelling than Missouri VaTech or Missouri Syracuse.
CJ

(05-12-2014 11:34 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  I definitely support an ACC/SEC scheduling alliance. A&M has had great series in the past decade with Pitt, Clemson, Miami and Virginia Tech.

Let the instate schools play each other and the rest of us can rotate through each other.

That's a great idea except Louisville gets stuck playing Kentucky...lol. Doesn't do much for schedule strength. Almost guarantees Louisville will / would need two SEC opponents each season, UK and a real SEC program.
CJ

(05-12-2014 11:37 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(05-12-2014 11:34 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  I definitely support an ACC/SEC scheduling alliance. A&M has had great series in the past decade with Pitt, Clemson, Miami and Virginia Tech.

Let the instate schools play each other and the rest of us can rotate through each other.

That's a great idea except Louisville gets stuck playing Kentucky...lol. Doesn't do much for schedule strength. Almost guarantees Louisville will / would need two SEC opponents each season, UK and a real SEC program.

Yeah, Louisville would be a voice in favor of an eight game conference season ... that would allow them to schedule a real OOC P5 game to alternate with Kentucky Home and Away, and then a Go5 and FCS buy game and they have 7 home games a season.

(05-12-2014 11:34 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(05-12-2014 11:26 AM)brista21 Wrote:  

(05-12-2014 10:59 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  I can't imagine A&M or Mizzou being too excited about playing Big 12 programs that they abandoned when they jumped to The SEC. I would expect to see both play more more ACC programs in the southeast. Presently A&M and Missouri don't have any Big 12 programs scheduled through the end of the decade.

A&M definitely wants nothing to do with the Big 12 at the moment. That's pretty obvious.

On the other hand, I don't see Mizzou being militant like that. I think they'd be game to use an OOC slot to regularly play a rotation of Nebraska, Illinois and the current Big 12 teams (sans WVU.) Gives them a regional OOC game against P5 opponents that they have history with. In some cases they have a lot of history. In others less so but it ensures they're playing in Texas as regularly as possible.

Can't see a Missouri WVU match up being anymore compelling than Missouri VaTech or Missouri Syracuse.
CJ

When it comes to P5 OOC scheduling options, Mizzou is in the catbird seat. Just counting schools in states that border Missouri, they have 8 choices: Illinois, Northwestern, Iowa, Nebraska, Kansas, K State, Oklahoma and OK State. Nobody else even comes close. They might even choose to play 2 a year now that the SEC has settled on an 8 game schedule.

(05-12-2014 12:23 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(05-12-2014 11:34 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(05-12-2014 11:26 AM)brista21 Wrote:  

(05-12-2014 10:59 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  I can't imagine A&M or Mizzou being too excited about playing Big 12 programs that they abandoned when they jumped to The SEC. I would expect to see both play more more ACC programs in the southeast. Presently A&M and Missouri don't have any Big 12 programs scheduled through the end of the decade.

A&M definitely wants nothing to do with the Big 12 at the moment. That's pretty obvious.

On the other hand, I don't see Mizzou being militant like that. I think they'd be game to use an OOC slot to regularly play a rotation of Nebraska, Illinois and the current Big 12 teams (sans WVU.) Gives them a regional OOC game against P5 opponents that they have history with. In some cases they have a lot of history. In others less so but it ensures they're playing in Texas as regularly as possible.

Can't see a Missouri WVU match up being anymore compelling than Missouri VaTech or Missouri Syracuse.
CJ

When it comes to P5 OOC scheduling options, Mizzou is in the catbird seat. Just counting schools in states that border Missouri, they have 8 choices: Illinois, Northwestern, Iowa, Nebraska, Kansas, K State, Oklahoma and OK State. Nobody else even comes close. They might even choose to play 2 a year now that the SEC has settled on an 8 game schedule.

If you are Mizzou why would you want to play any of those schools when you are going to those states and telling the best recruits come play in the SEC.

I really do not understand why every conference with 12 or more teams is not doing an eight game conference schedule. Not every P5 team needs to schedule ten to eleven games against P5 teams. And having those early pay to play games is good both the players and fans.

(05-12-2014 12:36 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  I really do not understand why every conference with 12 or more teams is not doing an eight game conference schedule. Not every P5 team needs to schedule ten to eleven games against P5 teams.

The Big Ten would definitely like to see every Big Ten school playing ten P5 teams, nine Big Ten and one OOC, to boost the media value of the Big Ten contract. They are also leaning against scheduling FCS schools, so their ideal is 10 P5 schools, 2 Go5 schools. Since Big Ten schools play 17 P5 schools OOC out of 14 teams this coming season, and 11 out of 14 allowed FCS schools, that means when the Big Ten moves to 9 conference games, their preference would shake out to 3 teams would replacing their second OOC P5 opponent with the extra conference game, and 11 teams dropping their FCS scheduling in favor of the extra conference game.

Quote: And having those early pay to play games is good both the players and fans.

They are not great for ratings, and when you have too many of them, the season ticket holders do start complaining about paying top dollar ticket prices to see Chattanooga, Charleston Southern, UT Martin, South Dakota, Furman, Western Carolina, Nicholls State, Samford, Sam Houston State, Presbyterian, or Lamar ... if you really are interested in seeing one of those teams play live, there are a lot cheaper ways to do it. Since those are games that tier 1 and tier 2 partners tend to leave to one side, they also make up a large part of the SECN programming, which could affect how hard people in different areas fight to get the SECN on their basic cable tier.

One of the real squeezes from P5 conferences moving to nine game schedules is on the better Go5 schools that have an opportunity to sign 2-1 deals with mid-tier P5 schools under an eight game conference schedule, since you could have a four year OOC block like:

Year1: P5.1 H, 2f1.1 A, Go5 H, FCS H
Year2: P5.1 A, 2f1.1 H, 2f1.2 H, FCS H
Year 3: P5.2 H, 2f1.2 A, Go5 H, FCS H
Year 4: P5.2 A, 2f1.2 H, 2f1.3 H, FCS H
...

That's idealized, since OOC scheduling doesn't run in perfect clockwork like that, but it shows the opening for 2-1 games with more notable Go5 schools under a four game OOC schedule.

Sure there are some big stadium schools that would be inclined to schedule two P5 schools with H/A offset, and either two Go5 buy games or one Go5 and one FCS ... but there are still some medium stadium schools that do not automatically sell-out their stadiums where the economics of 2-1 games merit taking a look at them.

With nine conference games, there's a strong bias toward just Go5 buy games. Say that the odd years have 5 home conference games and the even years 4 home conference games ... to get 7 home games, you have to schedule like:

Year1: P5 A, Go5 H, FCS H
Year2: P5 H, Go5 H, FCS H
Year3: P5 A, Go5 H, FCS H
Year4: P5 H, Go5 H, FCS H
...

From a USA Today CFB sportswriter

https://twitter.com/DanWolken

Quote:BREAKING: ACC remaining at 8 game schedule, but must play another power league game starting in 2017, per John Swofford

Quote:BTW, Notre Dame will count toward that requirement

Quote:Asked Swofford about whether BYU would count. He said that didn’t come up, but they’d be discussed along w/ Army and Navy.

(05-12-2014 10:02 AM)MKPitt Wrote:  

(05-12-2014 09:02 AM)Tbringer Wrote:  The SEC is considered to be a strong conference. The ACC not so much.
Many are concerned 8 games gives the SEC a serious pass towards the playoffs because they will play less P5 opponents each year than the Big Ten, Big 12 and Pac 12 schools.

If the ACC only plays 8 conference games and one OOC oppoent from the P5--they are seriously attempting to game a spot in the playoffs. Since the committee is supposed to place strength of schedule at the forefront of the consideration--the weakest conference only playing 8 conference games gives a huge advantage over conferences playing a much tougher conference schedule, and playing more P5 opponents each year.

It will be interesting to see how the committee looks at this situation

The two schools that are most likely to be in the playoffs (FSU and Clemson) already have an OOC game against a perennial power unlike most of the schools in the B1G, P12, or B12 so it won't affect them at all. The SEC and ACC are doing eight games because four of their schools are locked into a ninth game already. Plus, every school has ND locked in every third year so there are circumstances in the ACC that other leagues don't have that make this the right move for them.

That's 9 games. The Big 12, Pac 12 and soon Big Ten will be playing 10 games per season against P5 opponents.

The committee should take that into account when selecting participants for the playoffs, especially considering the ACC has a lower sos than the other conferences.

ACC very divided on this- vote was 8-6 appearantly.

(05-12-2014 11:04 AM)EerMeNow Wrote:  

(05-12-2014 09:37 AM)Tbringer Wrote:  

(05-12-2014 09:31 AM)bluesox Wrote:  6 pretty attractive school's for the sec:

UVA and
Vtech and
UNC and
NC State and
Miami and
Wake and Vandy

BC, Cuse maybe in nyc, and pitt provide good road trips + i'm sure sec school's would love to crush duke, ha.

ehh, after VT there aren't really any football programs that stand out for attractive ongoing yearly series.

We'll probably see all the P5 conferences scheduling against one another.

With Florida State, Clemson, Georgia Tech, and Louisville off the market I cannot imagine how the SEC West schools would favor regular home/home games with the remaining ACC schools.

Agreed, the exciting matchups are gone from the ACC except for maybe VT--who already has a series with WVU and several Big Ten teams scheduled in future seasons. Arkansas already has several games lined up with Big 12 opponents. WVU has an upcoming matchup with Alabama and is near a deal with Tennessee to play in Charlotte reportedly. Kansas State will be playing Auburn this season, Oklahoma starts a home-home with Tennessee this season.

(05-12-2014 10:02 AM)MKPitt Wrote:  The two schools that are most likely to be in the playoffs (FSU and Clemson) already have an OOC game against a perennial power unlike most of the schools in the B1G, P12, or B12 so it won't affect them at all.

It'll still affect them if their four OOC games are their locked P5 game, 2 Go5 games and an FCS game, given that the SOS of their conference schedule and their locked P5 game combined would often be weaker than the conference SOS of the other P5 champions.

The years that they have ND, they'll be OK, but the first time that the ACC champion misses out on the CFP because of weak SOS versus other schools with the same W-L record, it seems likely they'll have to think about whether one marquee P5 OOC and the ACC conference schedule is enough on its own.

They do have the flexibility of not using their FCS exemption and scheduling stronger Go5 schools instead, but with the more shallow depth charts common in the Go5, picking which are going to be the stronger Go5 schools a number of years in advance can be tricky.

(05-12-2014 11:34 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(05-12-2014 11:26 AM)brista21 Wrote:  

(05-12-2014 10:59 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  I can't imagine A&M or Mizzou being too excited about playing Big 12 programs that they abandoned when they jumped to The SEC. I would expect to see both play more more ACC programs in the southeast. Presently A&M and Missouri don't have any Big 12 programs scheduled through the end of the decade.

A&M definitely wants nothing to do with the Big 12 at the moment. That's pretty obvious.

On the other hand, I don't see Mizzou being militant like that. I think they'd be game to use an OOC slot to regularly play a rotation of Nebraska, Illinois and the current Big 12 teams (sans WVU.) Gives them a regional OOC game against P5 opponents that they have history with. In some cases they have a lot of history. In others less so but it ensures they're playing in Texas as regularly as possible.

Can't see a Missouri WVU match up being anymore compelling than Missouri VaTech or Missouri Syracuse.
CJ

Missouri/VT would be similar to Missouri/WVU, but no interest whatsoever in Missouri/Syracuse

This could be a season long SEC vs ACC FB challenge. Would be great for both leagues and produce some good match ups for TV. Great exposure for both leagues.

Not a shocker. Every ACC school with a locked-in SEC rival already has one non-conference game spoken for, and then they'll have Notre Dame at least once every 3 years as another non-conference slot. In order to have 7 home games (and whether we like it or not, that's a de facto requirement for virtually every P5 school), that group of ACC schools can't have anything more than 8 conference games.

(05-12-2014 06:38 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  Not a shocker. Every ACC school with a locked-in SEC rival already has one non-conference game spoken for, and then they'll have Notre Dame at least once every 3 years as another non-conference slot. In order to have 7 home games (and whether we like it or not, that's a de facto requirement for virtually every P5 school), that group of ACC schools can't have anything more than 8 conference games.

That's only four schools with an SEC instate rivalry. Playing an extra game to make 9 in a conference that generally has the lowest strength of schedule would not be tougher than what the other P5 conferences are facing. Also only 5 teams per season will ever face Notre Dame, and it isn't always going to be the ones who have an SEC rival. 10 ACC schools don't have an SEC rivalry game and 9 won't play Notre Dame every year.

Playing only nine p5 games is always going to be easier than the 10 (or more) that the Big Ten, Big 12 and Pac 12 champions will face.

FSU at least recognizes they need a higher sos than the conference can provide this year and have ND, Oklahoma State and UF on the schedule.

(05-12-2014 02:44 PM)Tbringer Wrote:  

(05-12-2014 11:34 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(05-12-2014 11:26 AM)brista21 Wrote:  

(05-12-2014 10:59 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  I can't imagine A&M or Mizzou being too excited about playing Big 12 programs that they abandoned when they jumped to The SEC. I would expect to see both play more more ACC programs in the southeast. Presently A&M and Missouri don't have any Big 12 programs scheduled through the end of the decade.

A&M definitely wants nothing to do with the Big 12 at the moment. That's pretty obvious.

On the other hand, I don't see Mizzou being militant like that. I think they'd be game to use an OOC slot to regularly play a rotation of Nebraska, Illinois and the current Big 12 teams (sans WVU.) Gives them a regional OOC game against P5 opponents that they have history with. In some cases they have a lot of history. In others less so but it ensures they're playing in Texas as regularly as possible.

Can't see a Missouri WVU match up being anymore compelling than Missouri VaTech or Missouri Syracuse.
CJ

Missouri/VT would be similar to Missouri/WVU, but no interest whatsoever in Missouri/Syracuse

LOL, I can certainly see why a WV fan doesn't want to see SYracuse on the field, the way the Eers have been knocked around by SU lately. Truth is though, that Mizzou vs SU would be just as compelling a matchup as Mizzou vs WV. At least Syracuse would have a chance to beat Mizzou judging by the fact that SU beat Mizzu at Mizzou just 2 seasons ago, while WV likely won't make it to a bowl, yet again. I told you guys when we were in the BE that Holgerson is not right for WV.