"Some Power 5 power brokers weren't happy with the NCAA board of directors asserting they would need a super majority [two-thirds] to pass legislation. They would need four out of five conferences. This could be a highly contentious issue. Manuel did not want to comment publicly on this, but does support the super-majority concept. The reasoning seems simple for the outsiders. If the Power 5 wants all this leeway to do what it wants, shouldn't it be nearly as unanimous as possible on what it is — competitively, academically — on what it wants to do?"

http://touch.courant.com/#section/2225/a...-80147353/

Great stuff from Uconn's athletic director, Ward Emanuel. Looks like Emanuel won't roll over. Forcing the P5 to be near unanimous in its legislation ensure that whatever decisions the Power 5 make, it will have the support of all the P5 schools, and by extension, would find the G5 schools also supporting it. Basically only the least controversial items will get passed. Brilliant.

(05-09-2014 09:44 PM)BE4evah Wrote:  "Some Power 5 power brokers weren't happy with the NCAA board of directors asserting they would need a super majority [two-thirds] to pass legislation. They would need four out of five conferences. This could be a highly contentious issue. Manuel did not want to comment publicly on this, but does support the super-majority concept. The reasoning seems simple for the outsiders. If the Power 5 wants all this leeway to do what it wants, shouldn't it be nearly as unanimous as possible on what it is — competitively, academically — on what it wants to do?"

http://touch.courant.com/#section/2225/a...-80147353/

Great stuff from Uconn's athletic director, Ward Emanuel. Looks like Emanuel won't roll over. Forcing the P5 to be near unanimous in its legislation ensure that whatever decisions the Power 5 make, it will have the support of all the P5 schools, and by extension, would find the G5 schools also supporting it. Basically only the least controversial items will get passed. Brilliant.

Or, just the reason the P5 conferences need to go ahead with a split. Just saying... This might not be such a great thing, though I agree with the sentiment.

(05-09-2014 09:53 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  

(05-09-2014 09:44 PM)BE4evah Wrote:  "Some Power 5 power brokers weren't happy with the NCAA board of directors asserting they would need a super majority [two-thirds] to pass legislation. They would need four out of five conferences. This could be a highly contentious issue. Manuel did not want to comment publicly on this, but does support the super-majority concept. The reasoning seems simple for the outsiders. If the Power 5 wants all this leeway to do what it wants, shouldn't it be nearly as unanimous as possible on what it is — competitively, academically — on what it wants to do?"

http://touch.courant.com/#section/2225/a...-80147353/

Great stuff from Uconn's athletic director, Ward Emanuel. Looks like Emanuel won't roll over. Forcing the P5 to be near unanimous in its legislation ensure that whatever decisions the Power 5 make, it will have the support of all the P5 schools, and by extension, would find the G5 schools also supporting it. Basically only the least controversial items will get passed. Brilliant.

Or, just the reason the P5 conferences need to go ahead with a split. Just saying... This might not be such a great thing, though I agree with the sentiment.

My guess is some of the P5 conferences actually like the idea of needing a super-majority....a lot. By the way, a P5 split would likely need to be unanimous.

(05-09-2014 09:53 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  

(05-09-2014 09:44 PM)BE4evah Wrote:  "Some Power 5 power brokers weren't happy with the NCAA board of directors asserting they would need a super majority [two-thirds] to pass legislation. They would need four out of five conferences. This could be a highly contentious issue. Manuel did not want to comment publicly on this, but does support the super-majority concept. The reasoning seems simple for the outsiders. If the Power 5 wants all this leeway to do what it wants, shouldn't it be nearly as unanimous as possible on what it is — competitively, academically — on what it wants to do?"

http://touch.courant.com/#section/2225/a...-80147353/

Great stuff from Uconn's athletic director, Ward Emanuel. Looks like Emanuel won't roll over. Forcing the P5 to be near unanimous in its legislation ensure that whatever decisions the Power 5 make, it will have the support of all the P5 schools, and by extension, would find the G5 schools also supporting it. Basically only the least controversial items will get passed. Brilliant.

Or, just the reason the P5 conferences need to go ahead with a split. Just saying... This might not be such a great thing, though I agree with the sentiment.

If they broke off from the NCAA, I bet they would lose their Tax cushion. So I don't think it would happen. Even though they are thumping their chest now.

The P5 hasn't the political will to split. They can huff, and they can puff, but at the end of the day, they aren't going anywhere.

Uconn has found a way to neuter them, although I'm sure that this isn't just Uconn speaking, but the majority of G5 members. If the legislative changes are so popular and so needed, make 'em near unanimous. They will be so noncontroversial that any changes will need the support of the Indiana's, KStates, Wake Forest's of the world. And certainly MWC, AAC and CUSA members will adopt them, making the separation that the P5 craves so much that much narrower.

(05-09-2014 10:44 PM)whitey Wrote:  

(05-09-2014 09:53 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  

(05-09-2014 09:44 PM)BE4evah Wrote:  "Some Power 5 power brokers weren't happy with the NCAA board of directors asserting they would need a super majority [two-thirds] to pass legislation. They would need four out of five conferences. This could be a highly contentious issue. Manuel did not want to comment publicly on this, but does support the super-majority concept. The reasoning seems simple for the outsiders. If the Power 5 wants all this leeway to do what it wants, shouldn't it be nearly as unanimous as possible on what it is — competitively, academically — on what it wants to do?"

http://touch.courant.com/#section/2225/a...-80147353/

Great stuff from Uconn's athletic director, Ward Emanuel. Looks like Emanuel won't roll over. Forcing the P5 to be near unanimous in its legislation ensure that whatever decisions the Power 5 make, it will have the support of all the P5 schools, and by extension, would find the G5 schools also supporting it. Basically only the least controversial items will get passed. Brilliant.

Or, just the reason the P5 conferences need to go ahead with a split. Just saying... This might not be such a great thing, though I agree with the sentiment.

If they broke off from the NCAA, I bet they would lose their Tax cushion. So I don't think it would happen. Even though they are thumping their chest now.

Breaking off from the NCAA doesn't mean that whatever plan the P5 comes up with would lose or even be tax-exempt prior to any split. Just saying if the P5 wants to split , they'll figure out how to keep or take a tax-exempt status with them.

The P5 schools aren't exactly lacking representation in Washington. Does anyone really think that Congress, the vast majority of whose members graduated from P5 schools and are elected by P5 fan bases, are going to let the IRS rule against those schools? Other than the expect Harvard and Yale, BYU is the only non P5 school listed in the top 10 alma maters for people in Congress.

(05-09-2014 09:44 PM)BE4evah Wrote:  "Some Power 5 power brokers weren't happy with the NCAA board of directors asserting they would need a super majority [two-thirds] to pass legislation. They would need four out of five conferences. This could be a highly contentious issue. Manuel did not want to comment publicly on this, but does support the super-majority concept. The reasoning seems simple for the outsiders. If the Power 5 wants all this leeway to do what it wants, shouldn't it be nearly as unanimous as possible on what it is — competitively, academically — on what it wants to do?"

http://touch.courant.com/#section/2225/a...-80147353/

Great stuff from Uconn's athletic director, Ward Emanuel. Looks like Emanuel won't roll over. Forcing the P5 to be near unanimous in its legislation ensure that whatever decisions the Power 5 make, it will have the support of all the P5 schools, and by extension, would find the G5 schools also supporting it. Basically only the least controversial items will get passed. Brilliant.

Another day, another post from this putz -ing UCONN! How soon will we get posts stating that, the sun rises in the east every morning and it's all UCONN's fault?

(05-09-2014 11:22 PM)banker Wrote:  The P5 schools aren't exactly lacking representation in Washington. Does anyone really think that Congress, the vast majority of whose members graduated from P5 schools and are elected by P5 fan bases, are going to let the IRS rule against those schools? Other than the expect Harvard and Yale, BYU is the only non P5 school listed in the top 10 alma maters for people in Congress.

The people in Congress dont care about the P5---even the ones that went there. They care about votes. The VAST majority of the voting public never attended a P5 school. Its not even close.

I don't think that quote implies what the OP thinks...

(05-09-2014 09:44 PM)BE4evah Wrote:  "Some Power 5 power brokers weren't happy with the NCAA board of directors asserting they would need a super majority [two-thirds] to pass legislation. They would need four out of five conferences. This could be a highly contentious issue. Manuel did not want to comment publicly on this, but does support the super-majority concept. The reasoning seems simple for the outsiders. If the Power 5 wants all this leeway to do what it wants, shouldn't it be nearly as unanimous as possible on what it is — competitively, academically — on what it wants to do?"

http://touch.courant.com/#section/2225/a...-80147353/

Great stuff from Uconn's athletic director, Ward Emanuel. Looks like Emanuel won't roll over. Forcing the P5 to be near unanimous in its legislation ensure that whatever decisions the Power 5 make, it will have the support of all the P5 schools, and by extension, would find the G5 schools also supporting it. Basically only the least controversial items will get passed. Brilliant.

basically thats not what he said. in a basic sense. basically only.

How do those super majority votes go ??? Everybody in the room in favor of making a boat load of money and don't give a crap if these kids show up with the IQ of a tree stump and leave with the same IQ please raise your hand ??? Super Majority achieved ! next vote

What is good for Ohio State, Michigan, Florida, and Texas might not be good for Miss State, Wake Forest, Washington State, or Purdue. You might also see a divide among the conferences on certain issues.

(05-09-2014 10:44 PM)whitey Wrote:  

(05-09-2014 09:53 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  

(05-09-2014 09:44 PM)BE4evah Wrote:  "Some Power 5 power brokers weren't happy with the NCAA board of directors asserting they would need a super majority [two-thirds] to pass legislation. They would need four out of five conferences. This could be a highly contentious issue. Manuel did not want to comment publicly on this, but does support the super-majority concept. The reasoning seems simple for the outsiders. If the Power 5 wants all this leeway to do what it wants, shouldn't it be nearly as unanimous as possible on what it is — competitively, academically — on what it wants to do?"

http://touch.courant.com/#section/2225/a...-80147353/

Great stuff from Uconn's athletic director, Ward Emanuel. Looks like Emanuel won't roll over. Forcing the P5 to be near unanimous in its legislation ensure that whatever decisions the Power 5 make, it will have the support of all the P5 schools, and by extension, would find the G5 schools also supporting it. Basically only the least controversial items will get passed. Brilliant.

Or, just the reason the P5 conferences need to go ahead with a split. Just saying... This might not be such a great thing, though I agree with the sentiment.

If they broke off from the NCAA, I bet they would lose their Tax cushion. So I don't think it would happen. Even though they are thumping their chest now.

I agree. And I do recall the President being vocal about a playoff before it happened. I would guess that his administration would vehemently oppose the P5 splitting off and would do what he could to avoid it ... or at least punish the P5 in some way(s).

(05-10-2014 12:31 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(05-09-2014 11:22 PM)banker Wrote:  The P5 schools aren't exactly lacking representation in Washington. Does anyone really think that Congress, the vast majority of whose members graduated from P5 schools and are elected by P5 fan bases, are going to let the IRS rule against those schools? Other than the expect Harvard and Yale, BYU is the only non P5 school listed in the top 10 alma maters for people in Congress.

The people in Congress dont care about the P5---even the ones that went there. They care about votes. The VAST majority of the voting public never attended a P5 school. Its not even close.

Big time truth...

(05-09-2014 10:44 PM)whitey Wrote:  

(05-09-2014 09:53 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  

(05-09-2014 09:44 PM)BE4evah Wrote:  "Some Power 5 power brokers weren't happy with the NCAA board of directors asserting they would need a super majority [two-thirds] to pass legislation. They would need four out of five conferences. This could be a highly contentious issue. Manuel did not want to comment publicly on this, but does support the super-majority concept. The reasoning seems simple for the outsiders. If the Power 5 wants all this leeway to do what it wants, shouldn't it be nearly as unanimous as possible on what it is — competitively, academically — on what it wants to do?"

http://touch.courant.com/#section/2225/a...-80147353/

Great stuff from Uconn's athletic director, Ward Emanuel. Looks like Emanuel won't roll over. Forcing the P5 to be near unanimous in its legislation ensure that whatever decisions the Power 5 make, it will have the support of all the P5 schools, and by extension, would find the G5 schools also supporting it. Basically only the least controversial items will get passed. Brilliant.

Or, just the reason the P5 conferences need to go ahead with a split. Just saying... This might not be such a great thing, though I agree with the sentiment.

If they broke off from the NCAA, I bet they would lose their Tax cushion. So I don't think it would happen. Even though they are thumping their chest now.

Ding!!

P5 might try to come up with ways as to why they should be tax exempt but a move to leave the NCAA will easily be viewed as profit motive and their non-profit status would disappear.

(05-10-2014 08:04 AM)Bull Wrote:  

(05-10-2014 12:31 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(05-09-2014 11:22 PM)banker Wrote:  The P5 schools aren't exactly lacking representation in Washington. Does anyone really think that Congress, the vast majority of whose members graduated from P5 schools and are elected by P5 fan bases, are going to let the IRS rule against those schools? Other than the expect Harvard and Yale, BYU is the only non P5 school listed in the top 10 alma maters for people in Congress.

The people in Congress dont care about the P5---even the ones that went there. They care about votes. The VAST majority of the voting public never attended a P5 school. Its not even close.

Big time truth...

Not sure that helps our cause. Here in South Carolina where I live the vast majority of people did not go to college much less South Carolina or Clemson but they could care less about NCAA rules or violations they just want their team to win. My home state of North Carolina is the same with the legions of Walheel fans who have never stepped foot on the campus of Chapel Hole but just want them to win. Their current logic is UNCheat finally got caught doing the same thing everybody else has been doing for decades so who cares. Gamecock bandwagon fans here say the same thing...the entire SEC cheats so who cares if we do the same thing. I doubt we will see any ground swell of public sentiment/grass roots movement to help the G5 in the money wars. I do think the P5 could create the college equivalent of a bubble economy where it takes so much money for them to operate that that bubble will eventually burst and a lot of the mediocre programs that were just grandfathered into P5 schools but don't generate the money or interest of the 20-30 relevant athletic programs that ESPN/Fox want to cover could be crushed.

The only way I see Congress getting involved is with the move to pay players as damn near entertainers that the tax code catches up with the P5 and their massive athletic budgets as a for profit operation. When schools like Alabama have a $12 million plus payroll for their Football coaching staff and start paying players over the table instead of under the table you will start to bump heads with the IRS. March Madness is one big giant ATM machine for the NCAA who hides behind the tax code themselves. If the P5 wants to have a money orgy I say have at it but treat it for what it really is and that is a for profit machine that generates billions in the U.S. economy. Heck why even bother making the kids go to class and have guys like me donate thousands of dollars to help fund their scholarships? I would rather donate to the Pirate Club to help he legitimate student/athletes in the Olympic sports who are busting their butts in class, traveling on buses and puddle jump flights all over the country only to get home after midnight and have to get up for a 8am class to maintain their honor roll GPA. The money generating sports have long ago become an utter joke when it comes to the student athlete so lets just call it what it is and that is for pay/profit entertainment.

It's not just UCONN towing this line. I spoke with an admin @ FIU several weeks ago who said they would pushing for a super majority for P5 legislation.

I seriously doubt UConn can "force" the P5 to do anything, including needing a super-majority to act. They are one voice among many on this issue.

(05-10-2014 08:58 AM)FrancisDrake Wrote:  It's not just UCONN towing this line. I spoke with an admin @ FIU several weeks ago who said they would pushing for a super majority for P5 legislation.

This makes sense. I can't see too many non Power5 conferences yielding on this. Who knows who came up with the strategy, but Uconn's AD publicly coming out with his position should help galvanize the other non power schools. I wonder if we'll start to see more public comments from the different schools?