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RE: So whose leaving for the Sun Belt?
Ga Southern and App finished 1 and 3 in SBC recruiting last year before we even joined the conference. I expect Ga St to become better soon due to recruiting location. Once these teams settle in FBS, no reason why the SBC won't be better on the field. Sorry, but adding fiu, fau, nt, MTSU and WKU won't do anything to separate from the SBC.

Both conferences are equally below average. The ONLY thing CUSA can claim is they were able to steal SBC members at will. But now that the movement has stopped, those day are over and each conference has to live with what they have. I like the SBC's chances.
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I think I may know why AK St, ULL and ULM dislike us so much. I looked up our all time record against those schools in FB:

Tech vs AK St 25-12
Tech vs ULL 46-33-6
Tech vs ULM 30-13

Total 101-58-6
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(05-09-2014 11:25 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  With very little separation in revenue from the playoff between the G5 schools and an unknown future with TV deals, the only place to gain a signficant advtange is going to be through basketball.

And I believe C-USA is going to be a much better basketball league than the Sun Belt and has a chance to be a multi-bid league if it can get its act together with scheduling. C-USA used to be in an advantageous position primarily because of football but it looks like the leagues best position is going to be basketball going forward.

Straight on the money. People bleat "football drives the bus" like sheep but the best TV contract outside the power five conferences belongs to the Big East.

The Sun Belt squandered its chance to be a quality hoops league when the presidents let their coaches bully them into backing off the basketball scheduling requirements. Only way it happens now is if someone jumps out becomes truly dominant and sets a really high bar and until I see something from someone else, Georgia State is the only one who looks like they might.
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(05-09-2014 11:21 AM)Smaug Wrote:  
(05-09-2014 11:18 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  Don't know.

Then you are the only one who doesn't.

From an AState perspective (which is vastly different from our friends in Lafayette) as of TODAY the only motivation based on known facts that AState would have in going C-USA would be to avoid being in an even more addled Sun Belt were we to reject and someone else accept. The CUSA schools that caught our interest are all in the American except USM.

If CUSA called today, we can assume it would mean moving for the 2015-16 season and paying $2 million entry.

We don't know the value of CUSA TV for 2016-17 and beyond because the deal hasn't been cut and there have been no leaks of CUSA trying to negotiate early as has been revealed by the MAC whose deal runs to 2016-17. Maybe CUSA money goes up, maybe it stays the same, maybe it goes down.

Right now maintaining the NCAA revenue stream is speculative. Four returning CUSA were top third, four were bottom third. That's better than 2 SBC in top third and four bottom third but that's not an assurance of multi-bids and the baffling snub of MTSU by the NIT is troubling because that speaks to league perception because they Raiders absolutely had the resume with the December Maine loss the only blemish.

The issue today is you don't shell out $2 million if you don't have some idea how long it will take for cost recovery, the others who joined could match that equity payment vs the proven revenue stream and knew it made financial sense, and in the case of FAU and MTSU they could run the numbers see paying early departure made financial sense. Right now, that doesn't exist. Paying $2 million to join a league that might be splitting revenue 16 or 18 ways and doles out not much more than what is made now doesn't make a great deal of sense.

But if anyone read the thread in question, I think anyone with a fair understanding of business understands that the real value of the Sun Belt is much like the tech company that hasn't produced many hits but has a nice patent portfolio or the small town bank that mysteriously sells for much more than its value because some huge company had a serious need for a bank charter (like the bank in California with three employees that was suddenly a hot commodity because Wal-Mart tried to buy them).

Starting a new conference is hard unless you've got a lot of schools together for a long time and odds are pretty good based on past experience that the CFP would tell a new conference to take a hike until the next contract is signed.

Sun Belt's value (and potentially CUSA's if TV goes south) is in the charter or franchise. The ability to take the seat at the board of directors and on the council and in the CFP instead of starting from scratch. When the BE blew up the hoops schools wanted the brand, football wanted the franchise (and from a football standpoint it was a tainted brand, an asset worth letting go of to keep the hoop schools from dissolving the league). That's why BE is a new legal entity while AAC is just a rebranded BE as far as the NCAA and CFP see them.
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RE: So whose leaving for the Sun Belt?
Please let this thread die. The Sun Belt teams claim they wouldn't leave for our conference. Which works because you were not invited. Some CUSA teams were invited to the Sun Belt and declined the offer. We are all okay with our place in our conferences; now, let's all be okay with posting on the correct board.
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I think we would all leave for CUSA right now. But now that the slots are all filled and there won't be any more movement, it will be interesting to see which conference performs the best on the field and who receives the most payout under the new system.

With what appears to be a few years or more of stability, I think the SBC will do well with the new membership. Maybe in a few years the table will turn.
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(05-10-2014 04:32 PM)winston70 Wrote:  I think I may know why AK St, ULL and ULM dislike us so much. I looked up our all time record against those schools in FB:

Tech vs AK St 25-12
Tech vs ULL 46-33-6
Tech vs ULM 30-13

Total 101-58-6

Try again
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(05-10-2014 09:50 PM)swampbear Wrote:  
(05-10-2014 04:32 PM)winston70 Wrote:  I think I may know why AK St, ULL and ULM dislike us so much. I looked up our all time record against those schools in FB:

Tech vs AK St 25-12
Tech vs ULL 46-33-6
Tech vs ULM 30-13

Total 101-58-6

Try again

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(05-09-2014 12:53 PM)Thegoldstandard Wrote:  
(05-09-2014 10:59 AM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  
(05-09-2014 10:27 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  Sun Belt posters have started a thread in which they believe they can snag 2 or 3 SB teams back once the new TV deal is renewed and worse for CUSA members....This makes for some comical reading...

Not to say we are that far above the Sun Belt, but I would say there is for sure a gap and will always be one once the SB is forced to continue to always grab FCS move ups....No one in the SB in their right mind would turn down a CUSA invite no mater what Ark. St. fans tell you otherwise.....I think CUSA will always be able to pluck from the Sun Belt....


CUSA IS the SBC now05-stirthepot

And what will the merican be the day after UConn leaves?

still light years better than the SBC & CUSA combined..
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(05-10-2014 10:18 PM)grapes Wrote:  
(05-09-2014 12:53 PM)Thegoldstandard Wrote:  
(05-09-2014 10:59 AM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  
(05-09-2014 10:27 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  Sun Belt posters have started a thread in which they believe they can snag 2 or 3 SB teams back once the new TV deal is renewed and worse for CUSA members....This makes for some comical reading...

Not to say we are that far above the Sun Belt, but I would say there is for sure a gap and will always be one once the SB is forced to continue to always grab FCS move ups....No one in the SB in their right mind would turn down a CUSA invite no mater what Ark. St. fans tell you otherwise.....I think CUSA will always be able to pluck from the Sun Belt....


CUSA IS the SBC now05-stirthepot

And what will the merican be the day after UConn leaves?

still light years better than the SBC & CUSA combined..

Sorry to bust the egos but when uconn goes (and they have one foot out the door) your tv contract gets renegotiated and your whopping 600k a year more goes away faster than a set of rims on a car parked at the liberty bowl
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(05-10-2014 04:32 PM)winston70 Wrote:  I think I may know why AK St, ULL and ULM dislike us so much. I looked up our all time record against those schools in FB:

Tech vs AK St 25-12
Tech vs ULL 46-33-6
Tech vs ULM 30-13

Total 101-58-6

Let's look at last 3 years. Who cares about ancient past
.......Latech. ... ULL. ... uLM. ... ArkSt
2013. ... 4-8. ... 9-4*#. ... 6-6. ... 8-5*#
2012. ... 9-3 ... 9-4*. ... 8-5. ... 10-3*#
2011. ... 8-5. ... 9-4*. ... 4-8. ... 10-3#

Now rank them 1-4
* bowl win
# conference championship
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(05-10-2014 10:29 PM)RustonCAT Wrote:  
(05-10-2014 04:32 PM)winston70 Wrote:  I think I may know why AK St, ULL and ULM dislike us so much. I looked up our all time record against those schools in FB:

Tech vs AK St 25-12
Tech vs ULL 46-33-6
Tech vs ULM 30-13

Total 101-58-6

Let's look at last 3 years. Who cares about ancient past
.......Latech. ... ULL. ... uLM. ... ArkSt
2013. ... 4-8. ... 9-4*#. ... 6-6. ... 8-5*#
2012. ... 9-3 ... 9-4*. ... 8-5. ... 10-3*#
2011. ... 8-5. ... 9-4*. ... 4-8. ... 10-3#

Now rank them 1-4
* bowl win
# conference championship

Tech won the WAC in 2011 - still think that I made my point though
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(05-10-2014 10:25 PM)Thegoldstandard Wrote:  
(05-10-2014 10:18 PM)grapes Wrote:  
(05-09-2014 12:53 PM)Thegoldstandard Wrote:  
(05-09-2014 10:59 AM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  
(05-09-2014 10:27 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  Sun Belt posters have started a thread in which they believe they can snag 2 or 3 SB teams back once the new TV deal is renewed and worse for CUSA members....This makes for some comical reading...

Not to say we are that far above the Sun Belt, but I would say there is for sure a gap and will always be one once the SB is forced to continue to always grab FCS move ups....No one in the SB in their right mind would turn down a CUSA invite no mater what Ark. St. fans tell you otherwise.....I think CUSA will always be able to pluck from the Sun Belt....


CUSA IS the SBC now05-stirthepot

And what will the merican be the day after UConn leaves?

still light years better than the SBC & CUSA combined..

Sorry to bust the egos but when uconn goes (and they have one foot out the door) your tv contract gets renegotiated and your whopping 600k a year more goes away faster than a set of rims on a car parked at the liberty bowl

You know whats funny, we would still be a far better of a conference than the SBC & CUSA combined 03-lmfao

But hey good thing UCONN isn't going anywhere, 07-coffee3
Hattiesburg isn't to nice its self, driving through it to get to the gulf id expect someones rims to be gone fast their too.

I normally would think an ole country town like that couldn't be ghetto, boy was a wrong. 03-shhhh
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These Sun Belt fans sound exactly like I did just a few short years ago, and now I'm on the other side of it. Nothing has changed, there is not a member of the Sun Belt that would turn down an invite to CUSA, even if your administration is on the fence you make the move out of fear that after you reject the invite a conference mate accepts thereby weakening the Sun Belt. Arkansas State and Louisiana are invited, Arkansas State declines, Louisiana accepts and Texas State is invited and accepts and life in the Sun Belt with Liberty and Lamar becomes a harsh reality for Arkansas State.

The only way to prevent this is signing a GOR but it would be shortsighted for pretty much any G5 member to do so.
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(05-10-2014 11:10 PM)grapes Wrote:  
(05-10-2014 10:25 PM)Thegoldstandard Wrote:  
(05-10-2014 10:18 PM)grapes Wrote:  
(05-09-2014 12:53 PM)Thegoldstandard Wrote:  
(05-09-2014 10:59 AM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  CUSA IS the SBC now05-stirthepot

And what will the merican be the day after UConn leaves?

still light years better than the SBC & CUSA combined..

Sorry to bust the egos but when uconn goes (and they have one foot out the door) your tv contract gets renegotiated and your whopping 600k a year more goes away faster than a set of rims on a car parked at the liberty bowl

You know whats funny, we would still be a far better of a conference than the SBC & CUSA combined 03-lmfao

But hey good thing UCONN isn't going anywhere, 07-coffee3
Hattiesburg isn't to nice its self, driving through it to get to the gulf id expect someones rims to be gone fast their too.

I normally would think an ole country town like that couldn't be ghetto, boy was a wrong. 03-shhhh
no cusa will always be better, if for no other reason that we got rid of blue pant suit wearing tiger fans wearing the flashing lights shaped like cat ears. Thank god we will never have to be in a league where one team gets protected by the officials like memphis. Oh not to mention the constant ncaa sanctions.
As for uconn, you need to read up on current events. They are like a airport stripper. Slinging it from both pants legs toward the B1G
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(05-11-2014 12:24 AM)Thegoldstandard Wrote:  [As for uconn, you need to read up on current events. They are like a airport stripper. Slinging it from both pants legs toward the B1G

Have a link for that read up?
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Hell do a search. It's the internet son. If you can't find anything you are not looking.
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CUSA is living off of what they used to be. Football wise you aren't as good as the SBC. We have proven that on the field the last few years. You did get get two good teams in MTSU and now WKU. UNT had to come over here to have a good year. If they had stayed in the SBC they would have remained an also ran. Having said that the media will continue to rank you above us and there is no doubt in my mind no school would move back. Of course you have no one I would want except MTSU because it's an easy drive for a conf game. The only school that can pat themselves on the back and say look at the conf. we built is USM. The rest of you at this point are just along for the ride.
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(05-11-2014 08:06 AM)OsageJ Wrote:  CUSA is living off of what they used to be. Football wise you aren't as good as the SBC. We have proven that on the field the last few years.

Support this statement with games won by Sun Belt members that are still in the Sun Belt against CUSA members who are still in CUSA.
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I don't understand why a conference made up of Sun Belt transfers thinks they're too good for the Sun Belt. You ARE the Sun Belt.
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