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(05-09-2014 01:33 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  
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(05-09-2014 01:15 PM)WIowl Wrote:  We're in the former Sun Belt. I see little difference between the two conferences, whether Rice is now forced to associate with La Tech, Middle Tenn or ArkState and ULL.

Which is why I hope the remaining CUSA 2.0 (UAB, USM, UTEP, Marshall, Rice) get out of CUSA 3.0 ASAP.

What do those 5 have that Tech and MTSU don't?

In MTSU's case, not much, beyond a historically higher position.

In Tech's case, we have on our side history, tradition, fans, money, location, self-esteem, indoor plumbing, genetic diversity, sense of pride in a job well done, good will, hygiene, a good close shave, etc.; you get the idea.

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(05-09-2014 11:25 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  With very little separation in revenue from the playoff between the G5 schools and an unknown future with TV deals, the only place to gain a significant advantage is going to be through basketball.

And I believe C-USA is going to be a much better basketball league than the Sun Belt and has a chance to be a multi-bid league if it can get its act together with scheduling. C-USA used to be in an advantageous position primarily because of football but it looks like the leagues best position is going to be basketball going forward.

That's exactly what I've been thinking for a quite a while now.
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(05-09-2014 01:18 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  
(05-09-2014 01:15 PM)WIowl Wrote:  We're in the former Sun Belt. I see little difference between the two conferences, whether Rice is now forced to associate with La Tech, Middle Tenn or ArkState and ULL.

Which is why I hope the remaining CUSA 2.0 (UAB, USM, UTEP, Marshall, Rice) get out of CUSA 3.0 ASAP.

What do those 5 have that Tech and MTSU don't?

CUSA took the biggest hit during realignment. I hope that all of the core CUSA schools find a better landing place. Rice prefers to reestablish its long-standing rivalries with UH and SMU. Academically, Rice also prefers to reassociate with other AAU schools, such as Tulane. The new CUSA has neither.
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(05-09-2014 02:23 PM)WIowl Wrote:  
(05-09-2014 01:18 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  
(05-09-2014 01:15 PM)WIowl Wrote:  We're in the former Sun Belt. I see little difference between the two conferences, whether Rice is now forced to associate with La Tech, Middle Tenn or ArkState and ULL.

Which is why I hope the remaining CUSA 2.0 (UAB, USM, UTEP, Marshall, Rice) get out of CUSA 3.0 ASAP.

What do those 5 have that Tech and MTSU don't?

CUSA took the biggest hit during realignment. I hope that all of the core CUSA schools find a better landing place. Rice prefers to reestablish its long-standing rivalries with UH and SMU. Academically, Rice also prefers to reassociate with other AAU schools, such as Tulane. The new CUSA has neither.

I can see that. Long fall from the SWC to this.
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(05-09-2014 02:32 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  
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(05-09-2014 01:15 PM)WIowl Wrote:  We're in the former Sun Belt. I see little difference between the two conferences, whether Rice is now forced to associate with La Tech, Middle Tenn or ArkState and ULL.

Which is why I hope the remaining CUSA 2.0 (UAB, USM, UTEP, Marshall, Rice) get out of CUSA 3.0 ASAP.

What do those 5 have that Tech and MTSU don't?

CUSA took the biggest hit during realignment. I hope that all of the core CUSA schools find a better landing place. Rice prefers to reestablish its long-standing rivalries with UH and SMU. Academically, Rice also prefers to reassociate with other AAU schools, such as Tulane. The new CUSA has neither.

I can see that. Long fall from the SWC to this.

And the new AD is trying to change this. It is a long term plan, but the goal is a return to the G5. Will it happen? Tough road ahead, but step one was getting rid of the basketball coach.
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(05-09-2014 11:43 AM)wh49er Wrote:  
(05-09-2014 11:11 AM)Smaug Wrote:  Would a single one of them turn down an invite to CUSA?

Nope. The fact they have to consider Liberty, EKU, Lamar, Coastal Carolina for a 12th member is all you need to know.

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(05-09-2014 01:15 PM)WIowl Wrote:  We're in the former Sun Belt. I see little difference between the two conferences, whether Rice is now forced to associate with La Tech, Middle Tenn or ArkState and ULL.

Which is why I hope the remaining CUSA 2.0 (UAB, USM, UTEP, Marshall, Rice) get out of CUSA 3.0 ASAP.

What do those 5 have that Tech and MTSU don't?

CUSA took the biggest hit during realignment. I hope that all of the core CUSA schools find a better landing place. Rice prefers to reestablish its long-standing rivalries with UH and SMU. Academically, Rice also prefers to reassociate with other AAU schools, such as Tulane. The new CUSA has neither.

I can see that. Long fall from the SWC to this.

And the new AD is trying to change this. It is a long term plan, but the goal is a return to the G5. Will it happen? Tough road ahead, but step one was getting rid of the basketball coach.

I think attendance hurts Rice the most.
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(05-09-2014 02:40 PM)WIowl Wrote:  And the new AD is trying to change this. It is a long term plan, but the goal is a return to the G5. Will it happen? Tough road ahead, but step one was getting rid of the basketball coach.

Step One is setting the goal to return to the G5 and meaning it. I think we will now see corresponding actions in the men's basketball program, attendance, financial support, and our football facilities. We are not as far behind UH as the Cougars would like everyone to believe. They've just been pushing for the G5 goal longer - like TCU and SMU.
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The gap may be closer but it's like saying it's closer from Lafayette to Houston than Baton Rouge. At least you made it over the bridge and can snack on some Boudin balls at the next exit.
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(05-09-2014 03:36 PM)ATTALLABLAZE Wrote:  The gap may be closer but it's like saying it's closer from Lafayette to Houston than Baton Rouge. At least you made it over the bridge and can snack on some Boudin balls at the next exit.

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(05-09-2014 03:36 PM)ATTALLABLAZE Wrote:  The gap may be closer but it's like saying it's closer from Lafayette to Houston than Baton Rouge. At least you made it over the bridge and can snack on some Boudin balls at the next exit.

If everyone in C-USA was playing for the G5, we would be a strong conference that would stay together for a long time. I personally think we have some very high ceiling programs here in C-USA that can match the AAC step for step in the long run.
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(05-09-2014 02:23 PM)WIowl Wrote:  
(05-09-2014 01:18 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  
(05-09-2014 01:15 PM)WIowl Wrote:  We're in the former Sun Belt. I see little difference between the two conferences, whether Rice is now forced to associate with La Tech, Middle Tenn or ArkState and ULL.

Which is why I hope the remaining CUSA 2.0 (UAB, USM, UTEP, Marshall, Rice) get out of CUSA 3.0 ASAP.

What do those 5 have that Tech and MTSU don't?

CUSA took the biggest hit during realignment. I hope that all of the core CUSA schools find a better landing place. Rice prefers to reestablish its long-standing rivalries with UH and SMU. Academically, Rice also prefers to reassociate with other AAU schools, such as Tulane. The new CUSA has neither.

What you prefer and get is totally different because I guess those schools don't feel the same way about Rice...

if they did you would be there.

Maybe if you could put three winning football seasons together and your basketball program wasn't a joke.... actually maybe if Rice could put back to back winning seasons a little more often it might help. Other than the last two years you have to go all the way back to '96-'97 for back to back seasons of winning football.

Starting to see why what you prefer and get is totally different? Hell Rice is one of the major reasons...those schools wanted out.
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(05-09-2014 10:27 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  Sun Belt posters have started a thread in which they believe they can snag 2 or 3 SB teams back once the new TV deal is renewed and worse for CUSA members....This makes for some comical reading...

Not to say we are that far above the Sun Belt, but I would say there is for sure a gap and will always be one once the SB is forced to continue to always grab FCS move ups....No one in the SB in their right mind would turn down a CUSA invite no mater what Ark. St. fans tell you otherwise.....I think CUSA will always be able to pluck from the Sun Belt....

Try this: "So who's leaving for the Sun Belt?"

I offer my apologies to you, but it drives me up a wall every time I read it.

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(05-09-2014 03:57 PM)ODU AGGIE Wrote:  
(05-09-2014 10:27 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  Sun Belt posters have started a thread in which they believe they can snag 2 or 3 SB teams back once the new TV deal is renewed and worse for CUSA members....This makes for some comical reading...

Not to say we are that far above the Sun Belt, but I would say there is for sure a gap and will always be one once the SB is forced to continue to always grab FCS move ups....No one in the SB in their right mind would turn down a CUSA invite no mater what Ark. St. fans tell you otherwise.....I think CUSA will always be able to pluck from the Sun Belt....

Try this: "So who's leaving for the Sun Belt?"

I offer my apologies to you, but it drives me up a wall every time I read it.

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(05-09-2014 11:11 AM)Smaug Wrote:  
(05-09-2014 11:07 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(05-09-2014 10:59 AM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  
(05-09-2014 10:27 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  Sun Belt posters have started a thread in which they believe they can snag 2 or 3 SB teams back once the new TV deal is renewed and worse for CUSA members....This makes for some comical reading...

Not to say we are that far above the Sun Belt, but I would say there is for sure a gap and will always be one once the SB is forced to continue to always grab FCS move ups....No one in the SB in their right mind would turn down a CUSA invite no mater what Ark. St. fans tell you otherwise.....I think CUSA will always be able to pluck from the Sun Belt....


CUSA IS the SBC now05-stirthepot

The SBC kept its last several champs, its bowl winners, and attendance leaders....so that may be a bit of an exaggeration.

Would a single one of them turn down an invite to CUSA?

I'm not so sure USA would jump. We probably would. But its not so clear cut anymore. I guess it depends on who went with us.

Here's my view. You have a better TV contract and marginally better bowls (although the Bahamas Bowl thing I just don't understand - nor does the Hawai'i Bowl seem to be much of a prize). Next year we have to digest two moveups and two troubled FBS programs (one of whom I strongly disagree with the decision to extend a bid to) so its possible you guys finish above us in the rankings next year in football. You have better basketball (but the difference isn't as great as some might think).

We'll be fine. We solved our Bowl situation (with bowl bids that make sense in Orlando, Montgomery, Mobile, and New Orleans plus tie-ins in various years in other Florida cities). Hopefully, we can sort out the TV deal this year. It looks like the CCG situation is sorting itself out too. I think that Georgia Southern and App will be good adds for the league eventually. And we can always turf out Idaho (per our contract with them).
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(05-09-2014 03:50 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(05-09-2014 02:23 PM)WIowl Wrote:  
(05-09-2014 01:18 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  
(05-09-2014 01:15 PM)WIowl Wrote:  We're in the former Sun Belt. I see little difference between the two conferences, whether Rice is now forced to associate with La Tech, Middle Tenn or ArkState and ULL.

Which is why I hope the remaining CUSA 2.0 (UAB, USM, UTEP, Marshall, Rice) get out of CUSA 3.0 ASAP.

What do those 5 have that Tech and MTSU don't?

CUSA took the biggest hit during realignment. I hope that all of the core CUSA schools find a better landing place. Rice prefers to reestablish its long-standing rivalries with UH and SMU. Academically, Rice also prefers to reassociate with other AAU schools, such as Tulane. The new CUSA has neither.

What you prefer and get is totally different because I guess those schools don't feel the same way about Rice...

if they did you would be there.

Maybe if you could put three winning football seasons together and your basketball program wasn't a joke.... actually maybe if Rice could put back to back winning seasons a little more often it might help. Other than the last two years you have to go all the way back to '96-'97 for back to back seasons of winning football.

Starting to see why what you prefer and get is totally different? Hell Rice is one of the major reasons...those schools wanted out.

We have a LONG road ahead. And basketball has definitley killed us and set us back for decades. However, baseball is a top ten program and has won a national championship and football is inching forward. Like I said, it's a long process and the new AD is putting a plan together.

And I don't want to get into a pissing match between WKU and Rice, each school has its list of peer institutions and those it would like to align itself with. There's nothing wrong in saying Rice is on an academic/private school island in the new CUSA. LaTech was on a geographical island in the old WAC.
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(05-09-2014 04:12 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(05-09-2014 11:11 AM)Smaug Wrote:  
(05-09-2014 11:07 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(05-09-2014 10:59 AM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  
(05-09-2014 10:27 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  Sun Belt posters have started a thread in which they believe they can snag 2 or 3 SB teams back once the new TV deal is renewed and worse for CUSA members....This makes for some comical reading...

Not to say we are that far above the Sun Belt, but I would say there is for sure a gap and will always be one once the SB is forced to continue to always grab FCS move ups....No one in the SB in their right mind would turn down a CUSA invite no mater what Ark. St. fans tell you otherwise.....I think CUSA will always be able to pluck from the Sun Belt....


CUSA IS the SBC now05-stirthepot

The SBC kept its last several champs, its bowl winners, and attendance leaders....so that may be a bit of an exaggeration.

Would a single one of them turn down an invite to CUSA?

I'm not so sure USA would jump. We probably would. But its not so clear cut anymore. I guess it depends on who went with us.

Here's my view. You have a better TV contract and marginally better bowls (although the Bahamas Bowl thing I just don't understand - nor does the Hawai'i Bowl seem to be much of a prize). Next year we have to digest two moveups and two troubled FBS programs (one of whom I strongly disagree with the decision to extend a bid to) so its possible you guys finish above us in the rankings next year in football. You have better basketball (but the difference isn't as great as some might think).

We'll be fine. We solved our Bowl situation (with bowl bids that make sense in Orlando, Montgomery, Mobile, and New Orleans plus tie-ins in various years in other Florida cities). Hopefully, we can sort out the TV deal this year. It looks like the CCG situation is sorting itself out too. I think that Georgia Southern and App will be good adds for the league eventually. And we can always turf out Idaho (per our contract with them).

Basketball is not even in the same neighborhood...miles apart.

The combine NCAA record for the remaining members is 7-42 (16%) with UL-L having 4 of those wins

other than UL-L
GST has 1 ncaa win 14 years ago
USA has 1 ncaa win 25 years ago
UALR has 1 ncaa win 30 years ago

Western alone has more NCAA wins in the last 7 years as the SBC combine...for the remaining SBC schools
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(05-09-2014 04:21 PM)WIowl Wrote:  
(05-09-2014 03:50 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(05-09-2014 02:23 PM)WIowl Wrote:  
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(05-09-2014 01:15 PM)WIowl Wrote:  We're in the former Sun Belt. I see little difference between the two conferences, whether Rice is now forced to associate with La Tech, Middle Tenn or ArkState and ULL.

Which is why I hope the remaining CUSA 2.0 (UAB, USM, UTEP, Marshall, Rice) get out of CUSA 3.0 ASAP.

What do those 5 have that Tech and MTSU don't?

CUSA took the biggest hit during realignment. I hope that all of the core CUSA schools find a better landing place. Rice prefers to reestablish its long-standing rivalries with UH and SMU. Academically, Rice also prefers to reassociate with other AAU schools, such as Tulane. The new CUSA has neither.

What you prefer and get is totally different because I guess those schools don't feel the same way about Rice...

if they did you would be there.

Maybe if you could put three winning football seasons together and your basketball program wasn't a joke.... actually maybe if Rice could put back to back winning seasons a little more often it might help. Other than the last two years you have to go all the way back to '96-'97 for back to back seasons of winning football.

Starting to see why what you prefer and get is totally different? Hell Rice is one of the major reasons...those schools wanted out.

We have a LONG road ahead. And basketball has definitley killed us and set us back for decades. However, baseball is a top ten program and has won a national championship and football is inching forward. Like I said, it's a long process and the new AD is putting a plan together.

And I don't want to get into a pissing match between WKU and Rice, each school has its list of peer institutions and those it would like to align itself with. There's nothing wrong in saying Rice is on an academic/private school island in the new CUSA. LaTech was on a geographical island in the old WAC.


You're right there is nothing wrong with wanting what you want but when fans from the schools left behind keep whining about it and in the process put the other schools in this conference down (maybe not intentionally...but that's the case) it gets old.

So if those fans what to keep "wanting"...out loud. It's fair game to point out why they are most likely not wanted. Not once did I mention Western..

just pointed out the "why"
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To put it another way, NOBODY from CUSA was go to the SunBelt. Most, if not all, SunBelt schools would jump to CUSA. It really is as simple as that.
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(05-09-2014 04:12 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(05-09-2014 11:11 AM)Smaug Wrote:  
(05-09-2014 11:07 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(05-09-2014 10:59 AM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  
(05-09-2014 10:27 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  Sun Belt posters have started a thread in which they believe they can snag 2 or 3 SB teams back once the new TV deal is renewed and worse for CUSA members....This makes for some comical reading...

Not to say we are that far above the Sun Belt, but I would say there is for sure a gap and will always be one once the SB is forced to continue to always grab FCS move ups....No one in the SB in their right mind would turn down a CUSA invite no mater what Ark. St. fans tell you otherwise.....I think CUSA will always be able to pluck from the Sun Belt....


CUSA IS the SBC now05-stirthepot

The SBC kept its last several champs, its bowl winners, and attendance leaders....so that may be a bit of an exaggeration.

Would a single one of them turn down an invite to CUSA?

I'm not so sure USA would jump. We probably would. But its not so clear cut anymore. I guess it depends on who went with us.

Here's my view. You have a better TV contract and marginally better bowls (although the Bahamas Bowl thing I just don't understand - nor does the Hawai'i Bowl seem to be much of a prize). Next year we have to digest two moveups and two troubled FBS programs (one of whom I strongly disagree with the decision to extend a bid to) so its possible you guys finish above us in the rankings next year in football. You have better basketball (but the difference isn't as great as some might think).

We'll be fine. We solved our Bowl situation (with bowl bids that make sense in Orlando, Montgomery, Mobile, and New Orleans plus tie-ins in various years in other Florida cities). Hopefully, we can sort out the TV deal this year. It looks like the CCG situation is sorting itself out too. I think that Georgia Southern and App will be good adds for the league eventually. And we can always turf out Idaho (per our contract with them).
The last attempt South made to lease classroom space in Jackson county miss pretty much blew up any chance of USM ever supporting a move of south into any league we are in.
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