(05-09-2014 11:33 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: The system screwed up. The system should drink it's own mistakes. If they kept him for 25 years too long, does he get the time back?
If he were a threat to humanity, that would be a different matter. But there's nothing here to indicate that. We're letting punks out right and left and they're back in a year, and we're hard-assing this guy? This is what's wrong with government solutions. There's no room for common sense. And this is the thought process that we're turning health care over to?
The "punks" you're referring to. Are you referring to the ones sent to prison for non-violent crimes?
Our penal system has a nasty habit of turning non-violent offenders into hardened criminals. This is often why the "punks are back in a year".
In this case, I was actually talking about punks who kill people. Which this guy didn't. But you are correct. There is a similar argument,which I make often, that clearly applies to non-violent criminals.
(05-09-2014 11:41 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: If I'm governor, he gets a pardon so fast it would make your head swim. That's kind of the least that should be done.
I'd be very interested to know where the armed-robbery victims are today, and if they are still alive and able to express an opinion about this. Their views would probably be decisive with me.
All of his pictures show him to be a fun outgoing family oriented guy... I guess this is for sympathy. Anyways, had he never committed an armed robbery (Taking something that isn't yours, by force with a deadly weapon) then he'd never have been in this predicament. If he was really the guy in his pictures, he wouldn't have done the crime. And he's not innocent so it's too bad for him. He fuucked his wife and kids over when he got selfish.
(05-09-2014 11:33 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: The system screwed up. The system should drink it's own mistakes. If they kept him for 25 years too long, does he get the time back?
If he were a threat to humanity, that would be a different matter. But there's nothing here to indicate that. We're letting punks out right and left and they're back in a year, and we're hard-assing this guy? This is what's wrong with government solutions. There's no room for common sense. And this is the thought process that we're turning health care over to?
The "punks" you're referring to. Are you referring to the ones sent to prison for non-violent crimes?
Our penal system has a nasty habit of turning non-violent offenders into hardened criminals. This is often why the "punks are back in a year".
A little sensitive aren't you? You must be a punk.
He was referring to people that are killing other people. Hardly non-violent.
(05-09-2014 09:48 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote: The thing is prison isn't just about rehabilitation. The rehabilitation theory has failed. Prison is about retribution.
^ this is another example of what's wrong with our system...and why we have the highest incarceration rate in the world.
(05-09-2014 12:35 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote: All of his pictures show him to be a fun outgoing family oriented guy... I guess this is for sympathy. Anyways, had he never committed an armed robbery (Taking something that isn't yours, by force with a deadly weapon) then he'd never have been in this predicament. If he was really the guy in his pictures, he wouldn't have done the crime. And he's not innocent so it's too bad for him. He fuucked his wife and kids over when he got selfish.
No pity for this guy.
Yeah. No one could ever change for the better. Ever.
(05-09-2014 11:33 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: The system screwed up. The system should drink it's own mistakes. If they kept him for 25 years too long, does he get the time back?
If he were a threat to humanity, that would be a different matter. But there's nothing here to indicate that. We're letting punks out right and left and they're back in a year, and we're hard-assing this guy? This is what's wrong with government solutions. There's no room for common sense. And this is the thought process that we're turning health care over to?
The "punks" you're referring to. Are you referring to the ones sent to prison for non-violent crimes?
Our penal system has a nasty habit of turning non-violent offenders into hardened criminals. This is often why the "punks are back in a year".
A little sensitive aren't you? You must be a punk.
He was referring to people that are killing other people. Hardly non-violent.
(05-09-2014 12:35 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote: All of his pictures show him to be a fun outgoing family oriented guy... I guess this is for sympathy. Anyways, had he never committed an armed robbery (Taking something that isn't yours, by force with a deadly weapon) then he'd never have been in this predicament. If he was really the guy in his pictures, he wouldn't have done the crime. And he's not innocent so it's too bad for him. He fuucked his wife and kids over when he got selfish.
No pity for this guy.
People do change, he was not that nice guy and now he maybe he is..
He can either work and be productive as a fluke of the legal system or cost the taxpayers an enormous amount of money for the rest of his life..
(05-09-2014 12:35 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote: All of his pictures show him to be a fun outgoing family oriented guy... I guess this is for sympathy. Anyways, had he never committed an armed robbery (Taking something that isn't yours, by force with a deadly weapon) then he'd never have been in this predicament. If he was really the guy in his pictures, he wouldn't have done the crime. And he's not innocent so it's too bad for him. He fuucked his wife and kids over when he got selfish.
No pity for this guy.
Yeah. No one could ever change for the better. Ever.
That's not my point, my point is that he committed armed robbery. Had he not done that, he wouldn't be in this situation to begin with. Therefore I feel no pity for him. His family, I DO feel sorry for.
(05-09-2014 11:33 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: The system screwed up. The system should drink it's own mistakes. If they kept him for 25 years too long, does he get the time back?
If he were a threat to humanity, that would be a different matter. But there's nothing here to indicate that. We're letting punks out right and left and they're back in a year, and we're hard-assing this guy? This is what's wrong with government solutions. There's no room for common sense. And this is the thought process that we're turning health care over to?
The "punks" you're referring to. Are you referring to the ones sent to prison for non-violent crimes?
Our penal system has a nasty habit of turning non-violent offenders into hardened criminals. This is often why the "punks are back in a year".
A little sensitive aren't you? You must be a punk.
He was referring to people that are killing other people. Hardly non-violent.
(05-09-2014 12:35 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote: All of his pictures show him to be a fun outgoing family oriented guy... I guess this is for sympathy. Anyways, had he never committed an armed robbery (Taking something that isn't yours, by force with a deadly weapon) then he'd never have been in this predicament. If he was really the guy in his pictures, he wouldn't have done the crime. And he's not innocent so it's too bad for him. He fuucked his wife and kids over when he got selfish.
No pity for this guy.
People do change, he was not that nice guy and now he maybe he is..
He can either work and be productive as a fluke of the legal system or cost the taxpayers an enormous amount of money for the rest of his life..
I'm ok either way. I wouldn't complain if he stayed out, I won't complain that he went back. His crime could have very well been the only time he ever made a mistake like that, and could have made it on a knee-jerk reaction decision, but, he STILL made it. That's why I don't feel any pity for him.
(05-09-2014 09:48 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote: The thing is prison isn't just about rehabilitation. The rehabilitation theory has failed. Prison is about retribution.
^ this is another example of what's wrong with our system...and why we have the highest incarceration rate in the world.
(05-09-2014 09:48 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote: The thing is prison isn't just about rehabilitation. The rehabilitation theory has failed. Prison is about retribution.
^ this is another example of what's wrong with our system...and why we have the highest incarceration rate in the world.
(05-09-2014 09:48 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote: The thing is prison isn't just about rehabilitation. The rehabilitation theory has failed. Prison is about retribution.
^ this is another example of what's wrong with our system...and why we have the highest incarceration rate in the world.
IMO prison is not about rehabilitation or retribution, at least not completely. It's simply the only way we know how to keep criminals from committing more crimes other than simply killing them outright.
(05-09-2014 12:35 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote: All of his pictures show him to be a fun outgoing family oriented guy... I guess this is for sympathy. Anyways, had he never committed an armed robbery (Taking something that isn't yours, by force with a deadly weapon) then he'd never have been in this predicament. If he was really the guy in his pictures, he wouldn't have done the crime. And he's not innocent so it's too bad for him. He fuucked his wife and kids over when he got selfish.
No pity for this guy.
Yeah. No one could ever change for the better. Ever.
That's not my point, my point is that he committed armed robbery. Had he not done that, he wouldn't be in this situation to begin with. Therefore I feel no pity for him. His family, I DO feel sorry for.
Now I don't know his entire criminal history, but if the armed robbery was his only felony offense, his sentence seemed pretty steep to begin with.
There are people serving significantly fewer years for killing people.
I'd rather see him remain free, but under supervision (basically on parole for the rest of his life). One minor **** up (even something like a DUI) and he goes back to prison.
He should also have to do a mandatory amount of community service every year.
He might have gotten out on a clerical error and turned his life around (or so it seems), but he shouldn't just be let "free."
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