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RE: Wilder pitches slavery museum site, to some surprise
(05-09-2014 02:21 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  
(05-09-2014 02:08 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  I'd like to go back to about 800 as Ragnar Lothbrook.

A fan of Vikings, are we? I never got to see the last three episodes. I had them DVR'd but my receiver went out and had to be replaced, out went all my episodes of Vikings, dammit. It took me a month to get all three of my Back to the Futures back.

You definitely need to see the last 3 episodes.
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RE: Wilder pitches slavery museum site, to some surprise
(05-09-2014 02:26 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  Similar experience but different conclusions.

Now I personally HATE going on historic tours or anything like them in the south. I've done it in Colonial Williamsburg, Charleston, Savannah, and a few others.

But, I don't think they're trying to overlook the slaves. It's that these places have so much other history, but making an emphasis of slavery will ruin the experiences of tourists, even though it is just as important to the history of the area as anything good they've done.

When people can somehow be distantly associated with bad portions of history, they tend to completely omit those bad parts in hope that people would just forget. Native American genocide is another one that they've been almost successful in hiding.

In this situation the times were either heavily outweighed by good or heavily outweighed by bad, depending on who you ask. There's far from a consensus.

Maybe, but I would counter the the Trail of Tears sites throughout NE Georgia and Alabama try to do as good a job as with what little historical artificial that exists to try and discuss the travails of such an ordeal. The Etawoh and Occumulgee Historic Sites also try to do the same thing.
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RE: Wilder pitches slavery museum site, to some surprise
(05-09-2014 02:23 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  Fun fact: The vikings were the first group of humans to set foot in North America when they came ashore in Canada.

According to some locals, they made it as far as Kennsignton, MN.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kensington_Runestone

All hoaxes aside, you have to imagine the Vikes at L'Anse aux Meadows sailed south in further exploration. Considering the build up along the coasts of north America in comparison to L'Anse aux Meadows, it is doubtful we'll ever find concrete evidence of them landing anywhere south of L'Anse aux Meadows, unless it is a small settlement still in remote, rural Canada.

But if you told me evidence was discovered that Vikings sailed into, for instance, Chesapeake Bay or made it to Duluth, MN via the St Laurence and the Great Lakes, I would not be surprised.
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(05-09-2014 02:29 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(05-09-2014 02:21 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  
(05-09-2014 02:08 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  I'd like to go back to about 800 as Ragnar Lothbrook.

A fan of Vikings, are we? I never got to see the last three episodes. I had them DVR'd but my receiver went out and had to be replaced, out went all my episodes of Vikings, dammit. It took me a month to get all three of my Back to the Futures back.

You definitely need to see the last 3 episodes.

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RE: Wilder pitches slavery museum site, to some surprise
(05-09-2014 02:33 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  
(05-09-2014 02:23 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  Fun fact: The vikings were the first group of humans to set foot in North America when they came ashore in Canada.

According to some locals, they made it as far as Kennsignton, MN.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kensington_Runestone

All hoaxes aside, you have to imagine the Vikes at L'Anse aux Meadows sailed south in further exploration. Considering the build up along the coasts of north America in comparison to L'Anse aux Meadows, it is doubtful we'll ever find concrete evidence of them landing anywhere south of L'Anse aux Meadows, unless it is a small settlement still in remote, rural Canada.

But if you told me evidence was discovered that Vikings sailed into, for instance, Chesapeake Bay or made it to Duluth, MN via the St Laurence and the Great Lakes, I would not be surprised.

I wouldn't doubt that a bit, especially in Minnesota...
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(05-09-2014 10:48 AM)john01992 Wrote:  I remember visiting a plantation in SC

Was it Magnolia Plantation? That place was awesome. The gardens in particular were spectacular.
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(05-09-2014 02:31 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  
(05-09-2014 02:26 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  Similar experience but different conclusions.

Now I personally HATE going on historic tours or anything like them in the south. I've done it in Colonial Williamsburg, Charleston, Savannah, and a few others.

But, I don't think they're trying to overlook the slaves. It's that these places have so much other history, but making an emphasis of slavery will ruin the experiences of tourists, even though it is just as important to the history of the area as anything good they've done.

When people can somehow be distantly associated with bad portions of history, they tend to completely omit those bad parts in hope that people would just forget. Native American genocide is another one that they've been almost successful in hiding.

In this situation the times were either heavily outweighed by good or heavily outweighed by bad, depending on who you ask. There's far from a consensus.

Maybe, but I would counter the the Trail of Tears sites throughout NE Georgia and Alabama try to do as good a job as with what little historical artificial that exists to try and discuss the travails of such an ordeal. The Etawoh and Occumulgee Historic Sites also try to do the same thing.

I'd like to see that, but like I said, I have a particular aversion to things like this. It'll take some working up to it.
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RE: Wilder pitches slavery museum site, to some surprise
(05-09-2014 04:05 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  
(05-09-2014 02:31 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  
(05-09-2014 02:26 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  Similar experience but different conclusions.

Now I personally HATE going on historic tours or anything like them in the south. I've done it in Colonial Williamsburg, Charleston, Savannah, and a few others.

But, I don't think they're trying to overlook the slaves. It's that these places have so much other history, but making an emphasis of slavery will ruin the experiences of tourists, even though it is just as important to the history of the area as anything good they've done.

When people can somehow be distantly associated with bad portions of history, they tend to completely omit those bad parts in hope that people would just forget. Native American genocide is another one that they've been almost successful in hiding.

In this situation the times were either heavily outweighed by good or heavily outweighed by bad, depending on who you ask. There's far from a consensus.

Maybe, but I would counter the the Trail of Tears sites throughout NE Georgia and Alabama try to do as good a job as with what little historical artificial that exists to try and discuss the travails of such an ordeal. The Etawoh and Occumulgee Historic Sites also try to do the same thing.

I'd like to see that, but like I said, I have a particular aversion to things like this. It'll take some working up to it.

I"m a fan of history. That's one of the things I like about living where I live now. Everytime I take a wrong turn I run into some type of battlefield or other historical site. I can spend all day walking along a battlefield and thinking about what it must have been like in the exact spot I am standing all those years ago.
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(05-09-2014 04:50 PM)VA49er Wrote:  
(05-09-2014 04:05 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  
(05-09-2014 02:31 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  
(05-09-2014 02:26 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  Similar experience but different conclusions.

Now I personally HATE going on historic tours or anything like them in the south. I've done it in Colonial Williamsburg, Charleston, Savannah, and a few others.

But, I don't think they're trying to overlook the slaves. It's that these places have so much other history, but making an emphasis of slavery will ruin the experiences of tourists, even though it is just as important to the history of the area as anything good they've done.

When people can somehow be distantly associated with bad portions of history, they tend to completely omit those bad parts in hope that people would just forget. Native American genocide is another one that they've been almost successful in hiding.

In this situation the times were either heavily outweighed by good or heavily outweighed by bad, depending on who you ask. There's far from a consensus.

Maybe, but I would counter the the Trail of Tears sites throughout NE Georgia and Alabama try to do as good a job as with what little historical artificial that exists to try and discuss the travails of such an ordeal. The Etawoh and Occumulgee Historic Sites also try to do the same thing.

I'd like to see that, but like I said, I have a particular aversion to things like this. It'll take some working up to it.

I"m a fan of history. That's one of the things I like about living where I live now. Everytime I take a wrong turn I run into some type of battlefield or other historical site. I can spend all day walking along a battlefield and thinking about what it must have been like in the exact spot I am standing all those years ago.

I can do that type of history. The pure awkward tension that comes with places like Colonial Williamsburg is what gets me.
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(05-09-2014 12:08 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  
(05-09-2014 10:48 AM)john01992 Wrote:  I remember visiting a plantation in SC and walked away feeling appalled at how the south wishes to remember that era. the tour guide seemed almost to be bragging about how large the plantation was and how many slaves they had.

The guide took a stance about how badly the plantation was wronged as a result of the civil war with most of its assets being taken to support the war (by the confederate govt no less) and kept referring to that era as "its golden age/its glory days"

The worst part was when you went to the place where the slaves were buried, they had yet to properly mark the graves, no memorial, no nothing. just a quick stop along the way with a "oh yeah that, there were slaves here."

i was expecting a sort of mentality resembling the approach the Holocaust Museum took. instead it was a circle jerk about how great the south was in the early 1800s and how sad it was that that era ended.

#lesson learned

Outside of treating humans like mules, those times WERE great, and not every slave owner abused his slaves...

Everybody is hard on slave owners. They have feelings too. A lot of them were great guys. Employed a lot of people. Black unemployment was like 0%.
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