(05-08-2014 01:24 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-08-2014 01:23 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(05-08-2014 01:16 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-08-2014 01:14 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(05-08-2014 01:13 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  So in your world, whites have never received anything over a person of color simply because they were white?

That's actually NOT what he said. He flat out says racism is real.

White privilege is a form of racism. How can acknowledge that one does exist but the other doesn't.

So, basically you are saying that every white person is racist since they benefit from white privilege. That's quite a stretch.

You are the one stretching if that is what you got from my posts.

I'm simply saying that white privilege exists.

I'm glad you are man enough to admit it.

No, you said that white privilige is a form of racism. Now, every white must have this white privilege, because, well, you know, they are white. Hence since all whites have white privilege and white privilege is a form of racism all whites are racist. That isn't very difficult to deduce.

(05-08-2014 01:24 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  I'm simply saying that white privilege exists.

Like luminiferous aether or phlogiston? (yes I understand that you have no idea what those big words are, or how to sound them out.)

White privilege exists... in fictional movies, books and TV.

(05-08-2014 01:24 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-08-2014 01:23 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(05-08-2014 01:16 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-08-2014 01:14 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(05-08-2014 01:13 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  So in your world, whites have never received anything over a person of color simply because they were white?

That's actually NOT what he said. He flat out says racism is real.

White privilege is a form of racism. How can acknowledge that one does exist but the other doesn't.

So, basically you are saying that every white person is racist since they benefit from white privilege. That's quite a stretch.

You are the one stretching if that is what you got from my posts.

I'm simply saying that white privilege exists.

I'm glad you are man enough to admit it.

You say Sterling is racist... How far did his white privilege get him?

It is significant that the title used in this thread is not a phrase used at all by the author - at least not in his original article. It is likely an invention of Time Magazine when they reprinted it.

You can whine about how disadvantaged you may have been, but does the adversity of your family history compare to his? I just finished reading something my grandmother had written about her father and how the Tsarist Russians limited colleges to no more than three percent of Jews (and they were from the part of Russia where Jews were permitted to live).

Checking My Privilege: Character as the Basis of Privilege | The Princeton Tory

http://theprincetontory.com/main/checkin...privilege/ Wrote:Or maybe it’s the privilege my grandmother had of spending weeks upon weeks on a death march through Polish forests in subzero temperatures, one of just a handful to survive, only to be put in Bergen-Belsen concentration camp where she would have died but for the Allied forces who liberated her and helped her regain her health when her weight dwindled to barely 80 pounds.

(05-08-2014 01:28 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  My grandparents on my father's side came over on the boat from Italy. After checking in legally they found there was nothing here waiting for them - no benefits, no handouts, nothing. They worked their asses off while putting aside the discrimination that was shown towards Italians at that time. My grandparents on my mother's side were Irish and they were heavily discriminated against to the point where factories had signs saying "Irish need not apply" for the open positions they had. My dad never graduated from high school, worked two jobs, and finally owned a small dry cleaners and worked 6 days a week . He never took a vacation that I knew of and only closed his business on Christmas, New Years, and Thanksgiving. My entire family went to public school except for me and one of my brothers who attended 6 years of Catholic school. When I went to college there was no public money given to me and my mother and father never took assistence from the government in spite of having 8 children of which I am the oldest.

The children of Obama, Maxine Waters, Jesse Jackson, etc, will all have more privilige than me or my kid ever will.

The only thing being white has gotten me is a target on my back.

GOOD GOD ALMIGHTY! That is the BEST response I've ever read on here.!!!

(05-08-2014 12:59 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Probably because Princeton University freshman Tal Fortgang speaks for many white Americans when he says that racism and white privilege aren’t real.

That's one bigass brush you're painting with fitty.

(05-08-2014 01:12 PM)mlb Wrote:  I think "white privilege" is the wrong term for it... middle class or upper class privilege is a better term, IMO.

Think of it this way... a poor person of any race is unlikely to have the privileges of a middle or upper class person of any race. Why? Because they can't network with others as easily as they just don't have the contacts of people whom are managers or owners of businesses. If I were to lose my job tomorrow I'd have friends in high positions that would be pushing my resume out to all of their friends, backing my work ethic.

Wait. What? This is what now qualifies as a "privilege"? Did someone just hand you these contacts and say here ya go kiddo, the world is your oyster!

Or, more likely did you have to WORK to establish this network and develop your reputation and the recognition of your work ethic? My guess is the latter, and why would ANYONE feel the need to ever apologize for that?

Don't anyone let this leftist, blamegame, you didn't build that, someone else did, academic navel gazing, claptrap bullschit even enter your mind.

Unless you were quite literally, handed everything like a Kennedy or Rockefeller, just dispense with this nonsense for what it it. Nonsense.

Helll, even if someone DID stake you to a fat trust account to start you out, good for you and them. Someone along the way likely worked their asss off to provide that. Nothing to apologize for in the least, just another wing of the class warfare/race baiting game.

If I want to work my asss off so my kids may not have to, then that's my business, and none of yours. GFY.

(05-08-2014 01:28 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  My grandparents on my father's side came over on the boat from Italy. After checking in legally they found there was nothing here waiting for them - no benefits, no handouts, nothing. They worked their asses off while putting aside the discrimination that was shown towards Italians at that time. My grandparents on my mother's side were Irish and they were heavily discriminated against to the point where factories had signs saying "Irish need not apply" for the open positions they had. My dad never graduated from high school, worked two jobs, and finally owned a small dry cleaners and worked 6 days a week . He never took a vacation that I knew of and only closed his business on Christmas, New Years, and Thanksgiving. My entire family went to public school except for me and one of my brothers who attended 6 years of Catholic school. When I went to college there was no public money given to me and my mother and father never took assistance from the government in spite of having 8 children of which I am the oldest.

And all that has now been distilled into "Check your privilege, white boy."

No one here should ever forget in any way, shape of form that all this “check your privilege” bullshite is just a silencing and shaming technique intended to cut off debate.

I can never get a clear definition of White Privilege. It's ambiguous at best. What I know is it is just another way to blame someone else for our problems. I have it better than my parents did. There are advantages out there in terms of scholarships and grants that can graduate you into the 'Middle Class'. But until a value is placed on solving our own problems instead of lip service or blame assignation nothing will change

(05-08-2014 02:04 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  Wait. What? This is what now qualifies as a "privilege"? Did someone just hand you these contacts and say here ya go kiddo, the world is your oyster!

Take a step back... I'm just saying that the fact that I grew up in a middle class household I had advantages. No more, no less. I'm not apologizing for it, nor am I saying that there is anything you can do to stop it from happening either.

Quote:Or, more likely did you have to WORK to establish this network and develop your reputation and the recognition of your work ethic? My guess is the latter, and why would ANYONE feel the need to ever apologize for that?

I had to work to get an education... I had to work to get my first job. But I work in technology... something that still is relatively new. I have friends who are accountants, in the trades, etc., that got their job thanks to their parents connections. Is that bad? No. I'm just saying that in many cases, that is an advantage. Once again you cannot stop it.

Quote:Don't anyone let this leftist, blamegame, you didn't build that, someone else did, academic navel gazing, claptrap bullschit even enter your mind.

I have not said anything of the sort... and there is no doubt that the individual had to work to have the opportunity. I'm just saying that if someone from a poor household had done the same work, it may not have been quite as easy to get that foot in the door at the end. No more, no less.

Quote:Unless you were quite literally, handed everything like a Kennedy or Rockefeller, just dispense with this nonsense for what it it. Nonsense.

Helll, even if someone DID stake you to a fat trust account to start you out, good for you and them. Someone along the way likely worked their asss off to provide that. Nothing to apologize for in the least, just another wing of the class warfare/race baiting game.

If I want to work my asss off so my kids may not have to, then that's my business, and none of yours. GFY.

My statement was completely about finding gainful employment... nothing to do with trust funds, inheritances, or anything of the sort. You went off on a tangent.

Isn't just amazing that anyone could actually defend the concept of white privilege?

(05-08-2014 02:22 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  Isn't just amazing that anyone could actually defend the concept of white privilege?

They are not defending the concept, they are using “check your privilege” to mean, “shut up.”

(05-08-2014 02:18 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(05-08-2014 02:04 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  Wait. What? This is what now qualifies as a "privilege"? Did someone just hand you these contacts and say here ya go kiddo, the world is your oyster!

Take a step back... I'm just saying that the fact that I grew up in a middle class household I had advantages. No more, no less. I'm not apologizing for it, nor am I saying that there is anything you can do to stop it from happening either.

Quote:Or, more likely did you have to WORK to establish this network and develop your reputation and the recognition of your work ethic? My guess is the latter, and why would ANYONE feel the need to ever apologize for that?

I had to work to get an education... I had to work to get my first job. But I work in technology... something that still is relatively new. I have friends who are accountants, in the trades, etc., that got their job thanks to their parents connections. Is that bad? No. I'm just saying that in many cases, that is an advantage. Once again you cannot stop it.

Quote:Don't anyone let this leftist, blamegame, you didn't build that, someone else did, academic navel gazing, claptrap bullschit even enter your mind.

I have not said anything of the sort... and there is no doubt that the individual had to work to have the opportunity. I'm just saying that if someone from a poor household had done the same work, it may not have been quite as easy to get that foot in the door at the end. No more, no less.

Quote:Unless you were quite literally, handed everything like a Kennedy or Rockefeller, just dispense with this nonsense for what it it. Nonsense.

Helll, even if someone DID stake you to a fat trust account to start you out, good for you and them. Someone along the way likely worked their asss off to provide that. Nothing to apologize for in the least, just another wing of the class warfare/race baiting game.

If I want to work my asss off so my kids may not have to, then that's my business, and none of yours. GFY.

My statement was completely about finding gainful employment... nothing to do with trust funds, inheritances, or anything of the sort. You went off on a tangent.

mlb, I just took your post as a jumping off point, when I said "you" and references like that I really meant in a generic, this is for anyone readings eyeballs. This wasn't necessarily meant to jump you over it. Should have made that clear.

The entire idea of this garbage makes me wanna .


*edit* Yea, especially the last part. It was indeed a tangent or more correctly a rant. But was intended for general consumption, not aimed at you or what you said in the least. mybad. haha

(05-08-2014 02:27 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(05-08-2014 02:22 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  Isn't just amazing that anyone could actually defend the concept of white privilege?

They are not defending the concept, they are using “check your privilege” to mean, “shut up.”

I'd punch someone if I was in college today. These leftists are out of control.

My response is standard: "I'll check my privilege when you check your extreme white guilt."

(05-08-2014 01:16 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-08-2014 01:14 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(05-08-2014 01:13 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-08-2014 01:08 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  I'm with him. Congratulations for having a pair of balls. While racism is real, white privilege is a big fat blooper that a bunch of idiots fell for.

So in your world, whites have never received anything over a person of color simply because they were white?

That's actually NOT what he said. He flat out says racism is real.

White privilege is a form of racism. How can acknowledge that one does exist but the other doesn't.

Fit, you lambast the whites at every juncture but you fail to see that you yourself are one of the biggest racist here. You'll never admit it though. You have to leave the past behind. Don't be like my brother that is still fighting the Mexican-American war. There will always be racism and you prove it.

(05-08-2014 02:34 PM)boss man Wrote:  My response is standard: "I'll check my privilege when you check your extreme white guilt."

My response would be a little more direct, a little less philosophical: You're a clown and a putz, get out of my way.

(05-08-2014 02:34 PM)boss man Wrote:  My response is standard: "I'll check my privilege when you check your extreme white guilt."

I prefer the more succinct “I stand by every word I said, acehole.”

When somebody uses the term "white privilege" I pick from one of the following responses...