http://pac-12.com/article/2014/03/15/pac...ents-china

Also, does UT's involvement mean their new AD is aligning UT with the West or with the East, as in Far East?

I still think the PAC is missing an opportunity to trim its regional networks and offer a Spanish language version of the network with a focus on soccer, baseball, etc.

(05-07-2014 01:28 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:  http://pac-12.com/article/2014/03/15/pac...ents-china

Also, does UT's involvement mean their new AD is aligning UT with the West or with the East, as in Far East?

I still think the PAC is missing an opportunity to trim its regional networks and offer a Spanish language version of the network with a focus on soccer, baseball, etc.

I think Patterson is pretty familiar with the impact of Yao Ming on the Rockets and China. I think the Pac 12 and UT are looking to get good international students.

I doubt the Pac-12 thinks it needs any help from the University Hawaii to build bridges to Asia. And as much as we in Hawaii would like think otherwise, the Pac-12 is probably right. If UH ever wants to be considered for the Pac-12 it needs to raise its endowment by a few hundred million dollars, keep improving its already impressive academic research pedigree, and start winning football championships again.

Perhaps Alaska-Anchorage going D-1 wouldn't hurt either to create a travel partner, granted they'd have much more work to do than Hawaii.

(05-07-2014 09:26 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Perhaps Alaska-Anchorage going D-1 wouldn't hurt either to create a travel partner, granted they'd have much more work to do than Hawaii.

To quote your avatar

"Damn, that's wack"

(05-07-2014 09:30 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  

(05-07-2014 09:26 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Perhaps Alaska-Anchorage going D-1 wouldn't hurt either to create a travel partner, granted they'd have much more work to do than Hawaii.

To quote your avatar

"Damn, that's wack"

UAA should get an invite just for their logo

Hawaii's biggest issue is never getting fixed; it's too far away.

Maybe technology will get better, eliminating the exhausting travel time.

I still think that Hawaii would be a better fit for the PAC 12 than Colorado. At least Hawaii is in the Pacific Ocean. I also think Colorado should be in the Mountain West.

I never thought of it before but the PAC could balance out an addition of Texas in the East with an addition of Hawaii in the West.

The Hawaii TV market was too good to pass up for Craig Thompson. I wonder if Larry Scott could be trained to think the same way since he raved about the Salt Lake City market when he brought in Utah.

Hawai'i's population just isn't very large--not even 1.5m people. You'd get more of a market just within the Austin metro area (2m). Additionally, I'm sure the Pac-12 already considers Hawai'i part of their footprint.

I think Hawai'i is a great school and if realignment had swung a slightly different direction where BYU didn't leave the MWC and somehow TCU gets left behind by the Big East and Big XII, then maybe the MWC could have secured a bowl tie-in with the Fiesta, and suddenly Hawai'i is in a major conference and deservedly so.

In any event, for the near future, Hawai'i will be staying where they are, and their best bet is if their MWC foes continue to invest in football.

Pac 12 has to have fallback plan to get to 16, if Tex never bites.
you would think Haw pays for itself with extra games, extra time slot, bowl game & BB Tourns.
games in Haw would help with recruiting
does New Mexico get any play in Mexico
Vancuver would get Canada interested
UNLV, SDST & Houston would have their strong points

(05-07-2014 11:45 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Maybe technology will get better, eliminating the exhausting travel time.

As soon as we get this teleportation thing worked out, Hawaii is on the table for every conference.

Beam me up, Scotty.

I like BYU and Hawaii football only to the big 12.

W: Texas, Texas tech, TCU, Baylor, BYU, Hawaii
E: OU, Ok state, KU, Kstate, Istate, WVU

Travel wise, its really no big deal with a few hours on the plane. The added bonus is you get an extra home game when going to hawaii + you can sell an alumni/recruits a trip every other year. Of course, i think the best move for the big 12 expansion would probably be to bring in BYU, SD state, Uconn, and either USF/UCF. Thus, you hit TX, CA, FL and Northeast. At least 2 of those 4 would need to be football only invites.

A: Texas, Tex Tech, TCU, Baylor, WVU, Uconn, UCF
B: OU, OK state, KU, KSU, ISU, BYU*, SD state*

*football only

(05-08-2014 09:45 AM)bluesox Wrote:  I like BYU and Hawaii football only to the big 12.

W: Texas, Texas tech, TCU, Baylor, BYU, Hawaii
E: OU, Ok state, KU, Kstate, Istate, WVU

Travel wise, its really no big deal with a few hours on the plane. The added bonus is you get an extra home game when going to hawaii + you can sell an alumni/recruits a trip every other year. Of course, i think the best move for the big 12 expansion would probably be to bring in BYU, SD state, Uconn, and either USF/UCF. Thus, you hit TX, CA, FL and Northeast. At least 2 of those 4 would need to be football only invites.

A: Texas, Tex Tech, TCU, Baylor, WVU, Uconn, UCF
B: OU, OK state, KU, KSU, ISU, BYU*, SD state*

*football only

Did you post this from the state of Colorado?

(05-08-2014 08:59 AM)templefootballfan Wrote:  Pac 12 has to have fallback plan to get to 16, if Tex never bites.
you would think Haw pays for itself with extra games, extra time slot, bowl game & BB Tourns.
games in Haw would help with recruiting
does New Mexico get any play in Mexico
Vancuver would get Canada interested
UNLV, SDST & Houston would have their strong points

They do have a fallback plan: stay at 12. They already have all of the strongest universities within their footprint (with apologies to BYU). They don't even share any TV markets with any other major conference other than some parts of the Denver market that go into rural Nebraska.

If the other P5 schools want any chance of keeping the Western 18% of the population watching college sports, they have to treat the Pac-12 as an equal.

(05-08-2014 03:15 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(05-08-2014 08:59 AM)templefootballfan Wrote:  Pac 12 has to have fallback plan to get to 16, if Tex never bites.

They do have a fallback plan: stay at 12.

Exactly. 16 is not a magic number that by itself delivers bonus value per school. Its rather the opposite ... each step above 12 has to justify itself by an ever greater value increment, in order to be a clear and unambiguous benefit to the larger number of incumbent schools in a conference.

I understand over 12 you have to at least cover your share.
Haw brings xtra games, time slot, bowls & BB tourn & recurting tool
Hous would be the 3rd biggest market & access to Tex.
New Mexico & UNLV have strong BB programs
UNLV would make pac-16 tourn a tough ticket in LV

(05-09-2014 12:01 AM)templefootballfan Wrote:  I understand over 12 you have to at least cover your share.
Haw brings xtra games, time slot, bowls & BB tourn & recurting tool
Hous would be the 3rd biggest market & access to Tex.
New Mexico & UNLV have strong BB programs
UNLV would make pac-16 tourn a tough ticket in LV

Its eventually going to happen.

Las Vegas is a HUGE city, I am talking enormous. Its not so much in population but it is in size.

Interesting thought on the Hawaii exemption:

Could 2 of Hawaii's conference mates play each other for a 13th game in a flexible setup should they not make a conference championship? Using Hawaii's 2014 schedule, Wyoming and Nevada could play each other should neither make the MW Championship Game as they do not play during the regular season. Make it conditional on not qualifying for the conference championship, and that way a team doesn't have to worry about a 14th game during the regular season.

The Pac >12 could offer a built-in outlet for TV for that game should the Pac 12 add Hawaii. The Mountain West no longer has that option.