Given the 8 game conference season of the SEC, the PAC should petition the NCAA, or whatever P5 governing entity, to allow any 6 win team to play in a bowl (including a 6-7 team). If that rule change were made, that would open up an interesting possibility for Hawaii and the PAC. Every PAC team could play at Hawaii, with media rights held by the PAC. Hawaii could have a 12 game home schedule. PAC would have weekly live programming for Australia/Asia.

Haw FB would add 5 or 6 FB games & maybe up to 20 BB games, 20 WBB, extra baseball & volleyball, softball which are also revenue sports in Pac-12

(05-09-2014 10:11 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:  Given the 8 game conference season of the SEC, the PAC should petition the NCAA, or whatever P5 governing entity, to allow any 6 win team to play in a bowl (including a 6-7 team). If that rule change were made, that would open up an interesting possibility for Hawaii and the PAC. Every PAC team could play at Hawaii, with media rights held by the PAC. Hawaii could have a 12 game home schedule. PAC would have weekly live programming for Australia/Asia.

That's a way-out-there but nonetheless interesting concept. Due to being on different sides of the International Date Line, a 6:00 p.m. Saturday night kickoff in Honolulu would be broadcast in Sydney at 3:00 p.m. on Sunday, in Beijing and Shanghai at 2:00 p.m. on Sunday, in Tokyo at 1:00 p.m. on Sunday, and in Singapore at 12:00 noon on Sunday.

Playing 12 consecutive games against P5 teams would be brutal, but that would be somewhat offset by the advantage of playing all the teams at home. Plus if Hawaii could recruit some Asian and Australian players, it would create natural fan interest in those areas to see "our guys" go up against the various "name" Pac-12 teams. It would be kind of a made-for-TV spectacle but heck, that's what college football is becoming anyhow.

For it to work though, there would need to be something at stake. For example Hawaii's wins and losses would need to count in the conference standings, so that all of the Asian and Australian fans would know that if "our guys" finished first or second they would get to play in the Pac-12 CCG.

From the Big West to the Pac-12. If anyone can do it, it's Hawaii

(05-10-2014 12:34 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  

(05-09-2014 10:11 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:  Given the 8 game conference season of the SEC, the PAC should petition the NCAA, or whatever P5 governing entity, to allow any 6 win team to play in a bowl (including a 6-7 team). If that rule change were made, that would open up an interesting possibility for Hawaii and the PAC. Every PAC team could play at Hawaii, with media rights held by the PAC. Hawaii could have a 12 game home schedule. PAC would have weekly live programming for Australia/Asia.

That's a way-out-there but nonetheless interesting concept. Due to being on different sides of the International Date Line, a 6:00 p.m. Saturday night kickoff in Honolulu would be broadcast in Sydney at 3:00 p.m. on Sunday, in Beijing and Shanghai at 2:00 p.m. on Sunday, in Tokyo at 1:00 p.m. on Sunday, and in Singapore at 12:00 noon on Sunday.

Playing 12 consecutive games against P5 teams would be brutal, but that would be somewhat offset by the advantage of playing all the teams at home. Plus if Hawaii could recruit some Asian and Australian players, it would create natural fan interest in those areas to see "our guys" go up against the various "name" Pac-12 teams. It would be kind of a made-for-TV spectacle but heck, that's what college football is becoming anyhow.

For it to work though, there would need to be something at stake. For example Hawaii's wins and losses would need to count in the conference standings, so that all of the Asian and Australian fans would know that if "our guys" finished first or second they would get to play in the Pac-12 CCG.

I think it could be doable as a transition to full membership. Access to all bowl tie-ins, annual host of the PAC championship (not eligible during transition period), and a 50% of full member payout would be an interesting transitional arrangement.

well if your going after Asian markets, go after Mexico & western Canada also

(05-09-2014 08:27 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  Interesting thought on the Hawaii exemption:

Could 2 of Hawaii's conference mates play each other for a 13th game in a flexible setup should they not make a conference championship? Using Hawaii's 2014 schedule, Wyoming and Nevada could play each other should neither make the MW Championship Game as they do not play during the regular season. Make it conditional on not qualifying for the conference championship, and that way a team doesn't have to worry about a 14th game during the regular season.

The Pac >12 could offer a built-in outlet for TV for that game should the Pac 12 add Hawaii. The Mountain West no longer has that option.

Wyoming and Nevada could use the 13th game to play a high revenue away game at a P5 school, or they could play each other and hope that 20,000 people show up for a game no one will televise. The choice is obvious.

(05-09-2014 10:11 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:  Given the 8 game conference season of the SEC, the PAC should petition the NCAA, or whatever P5 governing entity, to allow any 6 win team to play in a bowl (including a 6-7 team). If that rule change were made, that would open up an interesting possibility for Hawaii and the PAC. Every PAC team could play at Hawaii, with media rights held by the PAC. Hawaii could have a 12 game home schedule. PAC would have weekly live programming for Australia/Asia.

Interesting idea. However, any team that is interested in a national title wants FEWER games, not more. Fewer games = fewer chances to lose, and fewer chances for injuries to key players. Losing a bye week means losing a week of easy practice/recovery, and also means losing a free week where you can scout your toughest opponent.

(05-11-2014 01:40 AM)templefootballfan Wrote:  well if your going after Asian markets, go after Mexico & western Canada also

The only way college football would ever become popular in Mexico is if they mistake it for college soccer.

(05-11-2014 02:41 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(05-09-2014 10:11 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:  Given the 8 game conference season of the SEC, the PAC should petition the NCAA, or whatever P5 governing entity, to allow any 6 win team to play in a bowl (including a 6-7 team). If that rule change were made, that would open up an interesting possibility for Hawaii and the PAC. Every PAC team could play at Hawaii, with media rights held by the PAC. Hawaii could have a 12 game home schedule. PAC would have weekly live programming for Australia/Asia.

Interesting idea. However, any team that is interested in a national title wants FEWER games, not more. Fewer games = fewer chances to lose, and fewer chances for injuries to key players. Losing a bye week means losing a week of easy practice/recovery, and also means losing a free week where you can scout your toughest opponent.

I seriously doubt Hawaii is going to be much of a threat to USC, UCLA, Stanford, and Oregon most years. They would probably be able to compete with Washington, Washington State, Oregon State, Arizona, and Colorado given equal resources.

(05-11-2014 05:32 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(05-11-2014 01:40 AM)templefootballfan Wrote:  well if your going after Asian markets, go after Mexico & western Canada also

The only way college football would ever become popular in Mexico is if they mistake it for college soccer.

Need continuous play at a minimum, and by the time you've done adjusting the rules to allow for continuous play, its just rugby league with forward passing.

(05-11-2014 05:32 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(05-11-2014 01:40 AM)templefootballfan Wrote:  well if your going after Asian markets, go after Mexico & western Canada also

The only way college football would ever become popular in Mexico is if they mistake it for college soccer.

México has been playing college football since the 1920s.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ONEFA

Also, today team México won the inaugural World University Championship (the US didn't participate, as you might have expected.)

http://www.uppsala2014.com/se/news/mexic...tournament

I'm not sure exactly how popular NCAA football could become south of the border, but if any place has a chance of following the sport it would be México, and maybe also Japan.

(05-11-2014 01:40 AM)templefootballfan Wrote:  well if your going after Asian markets, go after Mexico & western Canada also

I really think the PAC missed the boat with its network configuration. Instead of a national and six regionals, they should have gone with three regionals (NW' Cali, SW) a national in English and a national channel in Spanish for the Domestic (big population in the footprint) and international Spanish speaking demographic.

(05-07-2014 01:28 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:  http://pac-12.com/article/2014/03/15/pac...ents-china

Also, does UT's involvement mean their new AD is aligning UT with the West or with the East, as in Far East?

I still think the PAC is missing an opportunity to trim its regional networks and offer a Spanish language version of the network with a focus on soccer, baseball, etc.

The challenge with Hawaii is A) Distance, B) No Travel Partner and C)Not a major market. Additionally for the Pac-12 D)Academic/Research facilities.

(05-13-2014 02:44 PM)superdeluxe Wrote:  

(05-07-2014 01:28 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:  http://pac-12.com/article/2014/03/15/pac...ents-china

Also, does UT's involvement mean their new AD is aligning UT with the West or with the East, as in Far East?

I still think the PAC is missing an opportunity to trim its regional networks and offer a Spanish language version of the network with a focus on soccer, baseball, etc.

The challenge with Hawaii is A) Distance, B) No Travel Partner and C)Not a major market. Additionally for the Pac-12 D)Academic/Research facilities.

A) Agree
B) Agree
C) The Honolulu MSA has about the same population as Tucson and a bit less than Salt Lake City... and obviously way more than Pullman
D) Hawaii is a Carnegie Foundation Very High Research University, the same as the Pac 12 members; its $312 million in academic research spending in 2012 ranked 71st among U.S. universities, just behind Washington State and ahead of both Oregon State and Oregon

(05-13-2014 06:56 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  

(05-13-2014 02:44 PM)superdeluxe Wrote:  

(05-07-2014 01:28 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:  http://pac-12.com/article/2014/03/15/pac...ents-china

Also, does UT's involvement mean their new AD is aligning UT with the West or with the East, as in Far East?

I still think the PAC is missing an opportunity to trim its regional networks and offer a Spanish language version of the network with a focus on soccer, baseball, etc.

The challenge with Hawaii is A) Distance, B) No Travel Partner and C)Not a major market. Additionally for the Pac-12 D)Academic/Research facilities.

A) Agree
B) Agree
C) The Honolulu MSA has about the same population as Tucson and a bit less than Salt Lake City... and obviously way more than Pullman
D) Hawaii is a Carnegie Foundation Very High Research University, the same as the Pac 12 members; its $312 million in academic research spending in 2012 ranked 71st among U.S. universities, just behind Washington State and ahead of both Oregon State and Oregon

Well, you can't count Pullman as Wazzu's "market;" it's actually more like 35% of the state's 6 million population. The school just happens to be 300 miles from their main fanbase in Seattle. But otherwise, I take your point.

I've always thought that Larry Scott and the presidents need to target specific schools in the West, and spell out exactly what they need to do to merit strong consideration. Schools like Hawaii, San Diego State, the Nevada schools, New Mexico, even BYU. Hawaii has always wanted in; if they're given a way forward, the league will find out in short order if they're serious.