(05-08-2014 08:05 PM)uconnwhaler Wrote:  

(05-08-2014 04:54 PM)Rich52c Wrote:  

(05-08-2014 03:42 PM)p53 Wrote:  Just like in real life.

Some people marry for $$$.

B.C. will not say NO to $$$.

BC is not a research university and BC will not become an AAU school.

UConn does not either have a great tv market or AAU membership.
Its football stadium is off campus and seats 40k.Its football attendance last year was 22k.

The Big 10 is not interested in a MAC program with a poor tv market.

Rich, you must be trolling us with "UConn" as the team you root for because you don't seem to know much.

First, UConn doesn't have a good TV market? Connecticut together is the #21 TV market that is dominated by one school.

Second, 22,000 was the attendance at a single game - the last game (December 8th against bad Memphis, playing our worst football ever). And UConn counts butts-in-seats, not tickets sold (we had 28k season tickets last year). The average "butts-in-seats" was about 34k last year, which is not terrible. If we counted tickets sold it would have been closer to 37k for a team that went 3-9.

It's a fake account. Every one of his posts knocks UCONN.

(05-08-2014 08:16 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(05-08-2014 08:05 PM)uconnwhaler Wrote:  

(05-08-2014 04:54 PM)Rich52c Wrote:  

(05-08-2014 03:42 PM)p53 Wrote:  Just like in real life.

Some people marry for $$$.

B.C. will not say NO to $$$.

BC is not a research university and BC will not become an AAU school.

UConn does not either have a great tv market or AAU membership.
Its football stadium is off campus and seats 40k.Its football attendance last year was 22k.

The Big 10 is not interested in a MAC program with a poor tv market.

Rich, you must be trolling us with "UConn" as the team you root for because you don't seem to know much.

First, UConn doesn't have a good TV market? Connecticut together is the #21 TV market that is dominated by one school.

Second, 22,000 was the attendance at a single game - the last game (December 8th against bad Memphis, playing our worst football ever). And UConn counts butts-in-seats, not tickets sold (we had 28k season tickets last year). The average "butts-in-seats" was about 34k last year, which is not terrible. If we counted tickets sold it would have been closer to 37k for a team that went 3-9.

It's a fake account. Every one of his posts knocks UCONN.

Probably Father Leahy, haha.

With the B1G moving toward per school payouts of $44 million, the only expansion candidates it will consider are schools that can bring that much additional revenue to the league. That, plus the usual B1G considerations, such as AAU status preferred, large state school with big alumni base, large institutional research programs and a preference for east coast expansion, all add up to only a handful of potential expansion targets.

Who could bring that much revenue and more or less meet the other requirements? Texas and ND for sure. Georgia Tech and Florida State, almost certainly, with their media markets and great recruiting areas. Probably North Carolina, Virginia and Virginia Tech too. After that group, I'd think the B1G's interest diminishes rapidly. It took almost two decades before the conference added Nebraska and I think they will be patient and wait for one of their preferred targets to become available, even if it takes another 20 years.

The grand slam home run of expansion for the B1G would be adding Virginia, North Carolina, Georgia Tech and Florida State. That would bring membership to 18, leaving two spots in a 20 school conference still available in case ND decided to join the conference. Maybe UConn then becomes #20, but I'd think Kansas might be the choice if available.

I could see the B1G expanding west, despite the east coast preference if it could get Texas. #16 could be either Oklahoma (like Nebraska, a top football brand) or Kansas or Missouri (if available). Given the preference for contiguous states, maybe they take Texas, Oklahoma and Kansas. In that case, maybe they add UConn if one of the desired ACC teams isn't available.

Realistically, none of the teams the B1G would target are going to make a move anytime soon because of the GORs, but when they expire, I'd expect the ACC teams on the B1G wish list to be the targets again.

Of the currently available teams not in a P5 conference, I agree that UConn would be the best fit, but I can't see the B1G giving up what may be one of the two final spots in the conference to a team that is way down the target list, at least not until its clear that the B1G needs to add teams and there are no better options.

How in the world would Georgia Tech improve the payout? They would be better off trying to pry away Vanderbilt. Heck, they would love to be associated with academically elite schools. Not to mention it would give them a more even playing field.

Let's talk turkey here:

1. Boston College is a small private Catholic university. The Big will not want them because they prefer Big State Flagship Schools. The only way the Big would add BC is, if BC and Notre Dame are a Package Deal.

2. UConn is a big State Flagship Schools. UConn get you into the NYC TV market as well. Plus UConn is a Top 10 basketball program every year. UConn also has strong Academics!

I suppose the lure of having Boston Metro and NYC TV markets could pair BC and UConn as 15 and 16 in the Big, but I think UConn and Kansas is much more likely.

(05-08-2014 03:41 PM)p53 Wrote:  Big Ten moneyhogs will NEVER pick Kansas over B.C and/or UCONN. It is all about television sets.

Even though B.C is weak. By locking up UCONN or BC, Big Ten Network will be locked up in all cable channels from Maine to Virginia.

The real infatuation is in the South.

The two biggest BIG TEN targets are

1. TEXAS
2. Georgia Tech

Going back to this thread.

Either UCONN or B.C. will end up in the BIG TEN eventually. The bridesmaid will be in the ACC i.e. if BIG TEN picks B.C. UCONN will take B.C.'s place.

Anyone that says B.C. is happy in the ACC doesn't realize how much more money and stable the BIG TEN is compared to the ACC.

BC would make 2-3 times more money in the Big TEN. And it is a much better academic fit.

Texas isn't going to join the Big Ten. It's like saying Ohio State is the prime SEC target. No one would turn the school down, but there isn't the slightest chance you would be able to lure them to your league.

The Big Ten's targets remain in the states of Virginia and North Carolina. That's where they have an enormous economic advantage, contiguous states and the AAU status and recruiting prospects that are realistic.

(05-09-2014 12:42 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Let's talk turkey here:

1. Boston College is a small private Catholic university. The Big will not want them because they prefer Big State Flagship Schools. The only way the Big would add BC is, if BC and Notre Dame are a Package Deal.

2. UConn is a big State Flagship Schools. UConn get you into the NYC TV market as well. Plus UConn is a Top 10 basketball program every year. UConn also has strong Academics!

I suppose the lure of having Boston Metro and NYC TV markets could pair BC and UConn as 15 and 16 in the Big, but I think UConn and Kansas is much more likely.

The Big Ten is trying to add future growth and recruiting areas in the southeast, along with tv markets that can boost their BTN. They also need to be able to actually lure a school to their conference. Kansas is pie in the sky thinking. First they wouldn't ever be able to lure another BIG 12 school, second, Kansas doesn't meet what they are seeking.

If UConn ends up being a Big Ten pick one day, look for Virginia Tech to go along with that pick--UVA or UNC still being the prime targets in the east.

VT and UVA are already upset about the unfair scheduling that don't give them matchups or home games very often with the better schools in that conference. VT already has numerous Big Ten powers on the schedule as well---home/homes with PSU, OSU, Michigan and Wisconsin on the docket as well as games with Purdue.

(05-09-2014 12:50 PM)Tbringer Wrote:  

(05-09-2014 12:42 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Let's talk turkey here:

1. Boston College is a small private Catholic university. The Big will not want them because they prefer Big State Flagship Schools. The only way the Big would add BC is, if BC and Notre Dame are a Package Deal.

2. UConn is a big State Flagship Schools. UConn get you into the NYC TV market as well. Plus UConn is a Top 10 basketball program every year. UConn also has strong Academics!

I suppose the lure of having Boston Metro and NYC TV markets could pair BC and UConn as 15 and 16 in the Big, but I think UConn and Kansas is much more likely.

The Big Ten is trying to add future growth and recruiting areas in the southeast, along with tv markets that can boost their BTN. They also need to be able to actually lure a school to their conference. Kansas is pie in the sky thinking. First they wouldn't ever be able to lure another BIG 12 school, second, Kansas doesn't meet what they are seeking.

If UConn ends up being a Big Ten pick one day, look for Virginia Tech to go along with that pick--UVA or UNC still being the prime targets in the east.

VT and UVA are already upset about the unfair scheduling that don't give them matchups or home games very often with the better schools in that conference. VT already has numerous Big Ten powers on the schedule as well---home/homes with PSU, OSU, Michigan and Wisconsin on the docket as well as games with Purdue.

You've mentioned this before, and I really think a UConn/VT move is perfect. It solidifies the "other side" of the major East Coast metros (D.C. and NYC) while bringing additional solid markets. The growth is organic and rationale, and would represent very solid programs in football and basketball, respectively.

Given VT's research profile and football legacy, I really think they are a better add for the B1G than UVA (not that UVA wouldn't be excellent).

Yes, but VA Tech is Southern, but Maryland was not really Southern. You Yankees have no idea how proud and embedded most Southerns are in their culture and they want no part of the Northern and Midwestern cultures.

(05-09-2014 12:45 PM)Tbringer Wrote:  The Big Ten's targets remain in the states of Virginia and North Carolina. That's where they have an enormous economic advantage, contiguous states and the AAU status and recruiting prospects that are realistic.

Map of Megregions from another thread:


Don't tell me there should be a red circle around Louisville, and that ND is not accounted for ... (1) I didn't make the map and (2) that's already discussed in the original thread.

But if you are looking at the Big Ten "beachhead" in the Northeast Corridor megaregion, the more lucrative direction to push, both in terms of TV sets and in terms of recruiting grounds, is south into Virginia.

I did not expect less from a "rust belt" homer!

(05-09-2014 01:59 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  I did not expect less from a "rust belt" homer!

Wait ... so you figured that a "rust belt homer" would automatically look on the NVA and Norfolk / Newport News side of Virginia as a more lucrative media market and better recruiting grounds than New England?

Not following how the one follows from the other. Is it the fact that coming from the "rust belt" means that I have a higher likelihood of having lived for extended periods of time in other parts of the country and other parts of the world?

I have lived in Hawaii, California, Virginia, South Carolina, Tennessee and Kentucky. I was raise around people from all over America given I was raise as a Navy brat, plus I have military service, also. Pulse I worked and retired from money center bank that did business on the East Coast, in the South and the Midwest, so I have been around the block a few times. So your point about understanding cultures is?

Some of You Guys are just missing the B1G picture with Kansas. They are 1of the All-time Premier Basketball programs in History. The B1G would take Them in a Heart Beat. UConn isalso a Premier Basketball program. Adding both gives the B1G a very solid East and West division Basketball School. B1G is very interested in hanging with the New ACC Basketball strength as They also need Winter time viewership and Basketball brings it more the Any other Sport through March. Kansas can also benefit in Football in the B1G more so than the Big12. Big12 is pretty much of a Texas and Oklahoma recruiting conference while the B1G is spread throughout great recruiting grounds in the Midwest and Eastern States. The
prospect of expanding the interest in Football recruiting with the B1G s much larger areas could lead to better Football being played there. UConn would also benefit from the same resources the B1G states offer. Win for Both schools and conference.

The problem is, the Big Ten can't take Kansas in a heartbeat because Kansas is in the Big 12 and has no reason to consider membership in the Big Ten.

ACC schools though are making so much less in revenues than Big Ten (or Big 12 schools for that matter) that they remain a possibility in the future.

The Big Ten is looking to move east anyway. They aren't considering Kansas or other unattainable schools out west. They didn't open offices in Manhattan and D.C. in order to add a school in Kansas.

As for the basketball side, the Big Ten is fine in basketball with themselves and the Big 12 at the top of that food chain already in terms of conference strength. The Big Ten is there every year.

It seems some of the UL posters here still have an angry spot for the Big 12 since they couldn't gain membership in that conference.

(05-09-2014 03:09 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  I have lived in Hawaii, California, Virginia, South Carolina, Tennessee and Kentucky. I was raise around people from all over America given I was raise as a Navy brat, plus I have military service, also. Pulse I worked and retired from money center bank that did business on the East Coast, in the South and the Midwest, so I have been around the block a few times. So your point about understanding cultures is?

I was curious, obviously, just what was it was that you expected from a "rust belt homer", since you neglected to say.

What part of Tennessee?

(05-09-2014 08:16 PM)Tbringer Wrote:  The problem is, the Big Ten can't take Kansas in a heartbeat because Kansas is in the Big 12 and has no reason to consider membership in the Big Ten.

There's a bit of a difference between back when schools were nervous that the Big12 would disintegrate, and schools preferences if they are confident it will remain substantially intact. Given that the Big12 remains substantially intact, there's ample reason for Kansas to want to stay just where it is.

(05-09-2014 03:10 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  Some of You Guys are just missing the B1G picture with Kansas. They are 1of the All-time Premier Basketball programs in History. The B1G would take Them in a Heart Beat.

BBall is not enough to cover the cost of adding a 15th & 16th.

I think Kansas should be the #1 pick for spot 15 in the big 10. Your talking top hoops program, probably would be the best in the big 10 + good geographic and academic fit. Also, I think KU is bait, i.e. they leave the big 12, i think its days are cooked + i do think KU would take a big 10 offer, not sure about the other big 12 school's. Thus, the big 10 should get KU on board, than drop open invites to both texas and OU to see what happens. IF texas and OU pass, than i think the big 10 should target FSU for spot 16. Ditto target FSU if both texas and OU accept the big 10 offer.

(05-09-2014 08:16 PM)Tbringer Wrote:  The problem is, the Big Ten can't take Kansas in a heartbeat because Kansas is in the Big 12 and has no reason to consider membership in the Big Ten.

ACC schools though are making so much less in revenues than Big Ten (or Big 12 schools for that matter) that they remain a possibility in the future.

The Big Ten is looking to move east anyway. They aren't considering Kansas or other unattainable schools out west. They didn't open offices in Manhattan and D.C. in order to add a school in Kansas.

As for the basketball side, the Big Ten is fine in basketball with themselves and the Big 12 at the top of that food chain already in terms of conference strength. The Big Ten is there every year.

It seems some of the UL posters here still have an angry spot for the Big 12 since they couldn't gain membership in that conference.

I can't think of any Cardinal Fans that are Upset by not being in the Big12. There is nothing in common with that conference that We can relate to. The ACC is the conference of choice by leaps and bounds and there is much in common in with most schools and locale.

(05-07-2014 02:27 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  And I think the Big Ten could be MUCH better off in the long run going after Kansas and Missouri. This would improve the conference in both basketball and football along with bringing them into markets passionate about a variety of sports. Not to mention they contiguous with current member states.

And before Uconn fans start crying here is why I say this. Uconn adds a lot of value in basketball however, their football would be at best a joke in the conference. College football is probably never going to be popular in New York. If their goal is to become New York's new Big East in college basketball they can do that with basketball only additions.

It would be a absolute home run for the Big Ten if they could land Missouri, Kansas, St Johns, and Villanova.

If you are going after UConn football, then you should not have Kansas as a target.

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I always felt KU + missouri is best combo if the big 10 wants to limit expansion to 16, good academic and geographic fit with nice 8 e/w split. I guess KU and OU would work but that really opens the door to getting texas, i.e. they will move from the big 12. With the pac 10/big 10 talk, maybe a deal could work with the big 10 jumping to 16 with ku and missouri and the pac 12 jumping to 16 with texas, texas tech, ou and ok state. Instead of having 2 separate 16 team leagues, you could put all 32 teams under the big 10 banner…maybe each division could have their own hoops tourney + get rule changes for auto bids for each tourney with a 4 team football playoff.

IF the big 10 wants to look east and attempt the raid the acc the other combo i like would be to target UVA and Vtech. I think offering that pair is the only way UVA might leave the big 10. Than maybe jump to 18 and 3 pods of 6 with 2 other acc school's.