Article also mentions that the increased College Football Playoff money should cover increased costs. I think this whole thing has been greatly exaggerated. Not much will change in the end.

Steinbrecher:
The ‘autonomy' label creates a clear assumption – that this is a squeeze-out attempt from the traditional powers.

MAC commissioner Jon Steinbrecher believes that's not the case after the commissioners have had “some pretty blunt conversations” on the matter.

“I don't think we've interpreted it that way,” said Steinbrecher when asked whether power conferences are attempting a squeeze-out. “I think there's a recognition in large part because of the sums of revenue they are generating, they have some issues and pressures on them. Which is not to say we don't have some of those similar issues, and we're going to have to address those in some form or fashion.”

"The MAC and Mountain West are taking a similar approach with expenses. Steinbrecher is hesitant to speak for his whole league on cost of attendance because the figures aren't final – will it be $2,000 per player? Or $4,000? – but he acknowledges the MAC wants to play at the highest level of football it can."

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...g-expenses

The Mountain West Commish:

"As Thompson puts it, if the bigger conferences want to “fly in recruits by helicopter,” don't let the Mountain West stop them.

“For 125 years, the Pac-12 has had larger budgets than the Mountain West,” Thompson said. “It's not that we aren't facing something we haven't faced in forever. It's just simply a matter of being able to do things that are similar.”"

This is what I like:

"This week is another reminder the smaller conferences are getting between $12 and $15 million annually from ESPN's 12-year deal with the playoff."

I have long been saying that I expect that each MAC team should be able to get 1M per year from the playoff system.

I'm still awaiting word how much money ESPN is going to pony up in the future for our television rights.

I remember the $1M per year per school rumor but I'll believe that when I see it written definitely.

That said, IF each MAC school gets 2M / year from the playoffs and ESPN rights, plus say 1 - 1.5M road game guarantees, plus home gate receipts, many MAC teams should be in the black on FB (counting expenses attributable only to FB, i.e., not taking a pro rata share of things like athletic department salaries and expenses, etc.).

(05-01-2014 03:01 PM)emu steve Wrote:  I remember the $1M per year per school rumor but I'll believe that when I see it written definitely.

When I saw it, it was reporting, not an online rumor. But it took me about two days to track it down again when I wanted to find the details of the second tier payout. The problem is that since few people are interested, the reporting wasn't widely picked up, so it tends to get lost in a sea of re-reporting on the P5 side of the CFP payouts.

Tier 1 is not $1m per school, its $1m per school to a maximum of $12m, so adding more than 12 schools does not add to the first tier.

Tier 2 is a payout per conference based on the relative ranking of the conference's performance ... that's not precisely laid out in the reporting but rather gives rough figures, something like $4m to the 5th place conference and $9m to the top conference, because its based on the difference between the total payout and the amounts required for the Tier1 & Tier 3 payout (eg, if the Sunbelt expands from 11 to 12, the total Tier 1 payout goes up by $1m, and it all comes from the same fixed Go5 share).

Tier 3 is a payout of $6m to the conference that has its champion go to the Access Bowl.

Since the MAC has seemingly elected to go with 12 for the next little while, that would be $1m/school in the Tier 1 payment, and anywhere from $300K to $1.25m per school from the Tier 2 and Tier 3 payments. Since the Tier2 and 3 payments are performance based, those are the ones I suggested putting into a pool to payout based on school FB performance, similar to how a share of the NCAA unit payout is paid based on school BBall performance in the NCAA tournament.

No one affiliated with the Go5 (ADs, coaches, etc.) want to bash, or hinder, the P5 because they don't want to hurt their chance at getting employed by a P5 conference/school.

(05-01-2014 02:44 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  but he acknowledges the MAC wants to play at the highest level of football it can."[/i]

Well as long as the MAC ends up playing at the highest level it can, I guess we shouldn't feel bad that it is a lower level than the highest level there is.

(05-01-2014 07:22 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(05-01-2014 03:01 PM)emu steve Wrote:  I remember the $1M per year per school rumor but I'll believe that when I see it written definitely.

When I saw it, it was reporting, not an online rumor. But it took me about two days to track it down again when I wanted to find the details of the second tier payout. The problem is that since few people are interested, the reporting wasn't widely picked up, so it tends to get lost in a sea of re-reporting on the P5 side of the CFP payouts.

Tier 1 is not $1m per school, its $1m per school to a maximum of $12m, so adding more than 12 schools does not add to the first tier.

Tier 2 is a payout per conference based on the relative ranking of the conference's performance ... that's not precisely laid out in the reporting but rather gives rough figures, something like $4m to the 5th place conference and $9m to the top conference, because its based on the difference between the total payout and the amounts required for the Tier1 & Tier 3 payout (eg, if the Sunbelt expands from 11 to 12, the total Tier 1 payout goes up by $1m, and it all comes from the same fixed Go5 share).

Tier 3 is a payout of $6m to the conference that has its champion go to the Access Bowl.

Since the MAC has seemingly elected to go with 12 for the next little while, that would be $1m/school in the Tier 1 payment, and anywhere from $300K to $1.25m per school from the Tier 2 and Tier 3 payments. Since the Tier2 and 3 payments are performance based, those are the ones I suggested putting into a pool to payout based on school FB performance, similar to how a share of the NCAA unit payout is paid based on school BBall performance in the NCAA tournament.

Okay. I didn't realize that they have all of the tiers under the new system.

BTW, I'm STILL curious about ESPN payouts for our games, not talking about the playoff system.

regardless of the dollar amount the P5 splits 70% of the pie from the ESPN playoff deal and the G5 splits 27%. Do not be happy with any perceived increase.

(05-02-2014 04:13 AM)perimeterpost Wrote:  regardless of the dollar amount the P5 splits 70% of the pie from the ESPN playoff deal and the G5 splits 27%. Do not be happy with any perceived increase.

The pie just got a lot, lot bigger. :)

If each team gets close to 1.5M from the playoff pie, plus expanded ESPN TV monies, etc. plus what teams get from road game guarantees (which can be as high as say 750M/1M for a game vs. OSU, etc.), plus the team's home gate receipts things look good.

(05-02-2014 04:13 AM)perimeterpost Wrote:  regardless of the dollar amount the P5 splits 70% of the pie from the ESPN playoff deal and the G5 splits 27%. Do not be happy with any perceived increase.

I agree. MAC schools might be getting another $1M per year, but the P5 is probably getting another $10-20M.

(05-02-2014 07:09 AM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  

(05-02-2014 04:13 AM)perimeterpost Wrote:  regardless of the dollar amount the P5 splits 70% of the pie from the ESPN playoff deal and the G5 splits 27%. Do not be happy with any perceived increase.

I agree. MAC schools might be getting another $1M per year, but the P5 is probably getting another $10-20M.

"Rising tide raises all boats".

As I have been posting, the big thing for me is that most MAC schools can say that our income from (football) operations > expenses from (football) operations.

That lies to rest the notion that football is financially bleeding certain FBS schools. RIP.

I'm assuming each MAC school needs 3 - 4M per year to adequately fund their football program.

(05-02-2014 08:27 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(05-02-2014 07:09 AM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  

(05-02-2014 04:13 AM)perimeterpost Wrote:  regardless of the dollar amount the P5 splits 70% of the pie from the ESPN playoff deal and the G5 splits 27%. Do not be happy with any perceived increase.

I agree. MAC schools might be getting another $1M per year, but the P5 is probably getting another $10-20M.

"Rising tide raises all boats".

As I have been posting, the big thing for me is that most MAC schools can say that our income from (football) operations > expenses from (football) operations.

That lies to rest the notion that football is financially bleeding certain FBS schools. RIP.

I'm assuming each MAC school needs 3 - 4M per year to adequately fund their football program.

that's not the tide that is rising, a tide rises evenly.

this money is for all FBS teams, it should be divided as such. Forever awful football programs like Wake Forrest and N'western get nearly 3x the $$$ we do because of the conference they're in, not because of their value. But because our bowl of gruel got a little bigger we're supposed to be grateful? NO THANKS.

I will not applaud a deal that keeps my people poor while the rich get richer, furthering the divide. Power to the People.

Road guarantee games are going to get tougher to find with P5 conferences pushing for 9 conference games and asking their members to schedule tougher OOC teams.

(05-02-2014 11:28 AM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  Road guarantee games are going to get tougher to find with P5 conferences pushing for 9 conference games and asking their members to schedule tougher OOC teams.

Perhaps.

Have any of the P5 conferences moved to 9 game conference schedules yet?

I see more home and home among the non-P5 conferences.

(05-02-2014 11:28 AM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  Road guarantee games are going to get tougher to find with P5 conferences pushing for 9 conference games and asking their members to schedule tougher OOC teams.

Shouldn't that hurt FCS teams before us?

(05-02-2014 04:05 PM)NIUfilmmaker Wrote:  

(05-02-2014 11:28 AM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  Road guarantee games are going to get tougher to find with P5 conferences pushing for 9 conference games and asking their members to schedule tougher OOC teams.

Shouldn't that hurt FCS teams before us?

You would think so however schools have been known to compain about SOS and then will schedule down regardless. Sort of like how the Big 10 keeps changing its mind on how it thinks of the MAC. Sometimes we are a blight on their schedule (so some say) but they don't want to schedule the actual bigger teams and won't talk about how they scheduled a FCS school. Of course the other times they are glad to have us because we are just tough enough to be respectful but are a good bet for a win.

Such is life.

(05-02-2014 09:43 AM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(05-02-2014 08:27 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(05-02-2014 07:09 AM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  

(05-02-2014 04:13 AM)perimeterpost Wrote:  regardless of the dollar amount the P5 splits 70% of the pie from the ESPN playoff deal and the G5 splits 27%. Do not be happy with any perceived increase.

I agree. MAC schools might be getting another $1M per year, but the P5 is probably getting another $10-20M.

"Rising tide raises all boats".

As I have been posting, the big thing for me is that most MAC schools can say that our income from (football) operations > expenses from (football) operations.

That lies to rest the notion that football is financially bleeding certain FBS schools. RIP.

I'm assuming each MAC school needs 3 - 4M per year to adequately fund their football program.

that's not the tide that is rising, a tide rises evenly.

this money is for all FBS teams, it should be divided as such. Forever awful football programs like Wake Forrest and N'western get nearly 3x the $$$ we do because of the conference they're in, not because of their value. But because our bowl of gruel got a little bigger we're supposed to be grateful? NO THANKS.

I will not applaud a deal that keeps my people poor while the rich get richer, furthering the divide. Power to the People.

NU is 55-46 in 8 seasons with Fitz as head coach. Not great but far better than Forever Awful.

(05-02-2014 12:32 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(05-02-2014 11:28 AM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  Road guarantee games are going to get tougher to find with P5 conferences pushing for 9 conference games and asking their members to schedule tougher OOC teams.

Perhaps.

Have any of the P5 conferences moved to 9 game conference schedules yet?

PAC-12 and Big12 already play 9 game conference schedules, Big Ten are going back to 9 game conference schedules (after about three decades at 8 games) in two more years. SEC and ACC are not decided, but it sounds like SEC is going to stay with 8, on a 6-1-1 basis.

The SEC version of upgrading SOS is requiring one P5 OOC game. The Big Ten version of SOS upgrading is heavily discouraging FCS games and encouraging at least one P5 OOC game against a "peer" school. The SEC version does no favors to Go5 schools, since the SEC schools will likely keep their cheap FCS buy games and those schools not scheduling P5 schools OOC now would shift from three Go5 games to two. The Big Ten version is better for the Go5 schools.