Just another way to get the brand "out there" in those battleground areas. VT and Cuse have done it recently. I'm sure others would be in favor of doing it on occasion as well. Hopefully there'd be some sponsorship and ACC Network (if it ever exists) benefits.

We'll be happy to move our Tallahassee game to play you at MetLife...

We will not have room on our schedule with 9 ACC games and the South Carolina game.

(05-07-2014 02:44 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  We will not have room on our schedule with 9 ACC games and the South Carolina game.

An ACC/SEC scheduling alliance for a 9th game makes sense. Clemson, FSU, UL and GTech keep their SEC rivals. Everyone else rotates teams with the SEC.

(05-07-2014 02:47 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(05-07-2014 02:44 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  We will not have room on our schedule with 9 ACC games and the South Carolina game.

An ACC/SEC scheduling alliance for a 9th game makes sense. Clemson, FSU, UL and GTech keep their SEC rivals. Everyone else rotates teams with the SEC.

Let's hope these guys are able to figure that out as well:

Mike Bobinski Director of Athletics, GT
mbobinski@athletics.gatech.edu 404.894.5411

Blake James Director of Athletics, Miami
dgentile@miami.edu 305-284-2689

Deborah A. Yow, Director of Athletics, NC State
(919) 515-2109 d_yow@ncsu.edu

Steve Pederson Athletic Director, Pitt
412-648-8230 spederson@athletics.pitt.edu

Craig Littlepage Director of Athletics, UVa
982-5100 ckl9e@virginia.edu

(05-07-2014 02:47 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(05-07-2014 02:44 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  We will not have room on our schedule with 9 ACC games and the South Carolina game.

An ACC/SEC scheduling alliance for a 9th game makes sense. Clemson, FSU, UL and GTech keep their SEC rivals. Everyone else rotates teams with the SEC.

Oh I agree that would make sense, but from reports on several Clemson premium message boards I am a member of that is not likely to happen. Everything they have been getting out of Clemson is that starting in 2016 the ACC is going to 9 conference games, and after Georgia this year we will never play an OOC schedule with variety again.

(05-07-2014 03:01 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(05-07-2014 02:47 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(05-07-2014 02:44 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  We will not have room on our schedule with 9 ACC games and the South Carolina game.

An ACC/SEC scheduling alliance for a 9th game makes sense. Clemson, FSU, UL and GTech keep their SEC rivals. Everyone else rotates teams with the SEC.

Oh I agree that would make sense, but from reports on several Clemson premium message boards I am a member of that is not likely to happen. Everything they have been getting out of Clemson is that starting in 2016 the ACC is going to 9 conference games, and after Georgia this year we will never play an OOC schedule with variety again.

The 9th game could be packaged into the ESPN family of channels too...sigh makes too much sense.

There are two schools of thought when it comes to the split between conference and non-conference games: 8+4 and 9+3. The Big XII, Pac-12 and [soon] the Big Ten all favor 9 conference and 3 non-conference games. Between these three leagues the last football championship any of them won was 2005 (Texas), almost a decade ago. Meanwhile there is one power conference which favors the 8 + 4 model: the SEC. As you know, the SEC have ruled college football for almost a decade. Now the ACC must choose one of these models.

It should be obvious which one to go with but in case it isn't, here are the reasons to choose 8 conference games instead of 9:
* It's an even number - this means that every ACC team gets the same number of home and away games in league every year
* the 9th game means one more loss for half of the teams = fewer bowl-eligible teams
* limiting teams to just 3 non-conference games means each team must choose between
(a) having 7 home games every year, or
(b) playing 2 power non-conference games
It's mathematically impossible to do both

When you consider all of the factors, it would be irresponsible to vote for 9 conference games given the current 12-game season. If you want to play other ACC teams more often, the best solution is to push for adoption of rule changes which would no longer require teams to play every team in their own division (thus allowing you to play more teams in the other division)

[note: I emailed that to the ADs at Ga Tech, NC State, Miami, Pitt and UVa. I'll let you know if any of them reply]

Someone please knock some sense into the ADs...

(05-07-2014 03:28 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  Someone please knock some sense into the ADs...

It isn't all of them. It's the ones I listed above (Ga Tech, NC State, Miami, Pitt and UVa) plus a couple more (I can't remember which ones). Get just ONE of those to change and the ACC stays at 8 for sure.

Seeing Pitt play an SEC school in DC would be fantastic.

(05-07-2014 03:28 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  Someone please knock some sense into the ADs...

Sense or cents?


It all depends on the money.

I do think that if the ACC goes to 9 games that it will not be like the P12, B12, or B10 do it.

As far as kick-off classics in NYC and DC, here are some good ones:

VT/WVa in DC
Pitt/WVa in DC
Penn State/NC State in DC
Penn State/UNC in DC
Syracuse/Penn State or LSU or WVa in NYC
FSU/Penn State in NYC

I have a difficult time seeing an SEC team agreeing to any match in DC or NYC outside of LSU and perhaps Kentucky. It's too easy for them to stay in the South and go to Atlanta, Nashville, or Dallas.

(05-07-2014 02:23 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  We'll be happy to move our Tallahassee game to play you at MetLife...

Cool.

A 9th game is literally taking money out of FSU's pocket to give to Wake (or fill in the blank with any other non-elite ACC program). F*** that.

I sent this email to the ADs at GT, Pitt, Miami, UVa and NC State:

Quote:Dear ladies and gentlemen:

There are two schools of thought when it comes to the split between conference and non-conference games: 8+4 and 9+3. The Big XII, Pac-12 and [soon] the Big Ten all favor 9 conference and 3 non-conference games. Between these three leagues the last football championship any of them won was 2005 (Texas), almost a decade ago. Meanwhile there is one power conference which favors the 8 + 4 model: the SEC. As you know, the SEC have ruled college football for almost a decade. Now the ACC must choose one of these models.

It should be obvious which one to go with but in case it isn't, here are the reasons to choose 8 conference games instead of 9:
* It's an even number - this means that every ACC team gets the same number of home and away games in league every year
* the 9th game means one more loss for half of the teams = fewer bowl-eligible teams
* limiting teams to just 3 non-conference games means each team must choose between
(a) having 7 home games every year, or
(b) playing 2 power non-conference games
It's mathematically impossible to do both

When you consider all of the factors, it would be irresponsible to vote for 9 conference games given the current 12-game season. If you want to play other ACC teams more often, the best solution is to push for adoption of rule changes which would no longer require teams to play every team in their own division (thus allowing you to play more teams in the other division)

Thank your for your consideration.

I got a reply from Debbie Yow of NC State:

Deborah Yow <dayow@ncsu.edu> 5:30 PM

Quote:Mark,

The proposed legislation to be able to dissolve divisions and still host a championship game is in the NCAA pipeline now. Many believe that will occur shortly.

So does that mean she's in favor of 8 if the CG can be de-regulated?

If the 9 game ACC schedule happens, scheduling for UofL:

9 ACC, UK leaves 2 games a season to fill out the schedule / 1 game every 3 years with Notre Dame on the schedule.

I can live with that.
CJ

(05-07-2014 02:57 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Let's hope these guys are able to figure that out as well:

Mike Bobinski Director of Athletics, GT
mbobinski@athletics.gatech.edu 404.894.5411

Good luck with that.

(05-07-2014 09:10 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  A 9th game is literally taking money out of FSU's pocket to give to Wake (or fill in the blank with any other non-elite ACC program). F*** that.

Yup.

It will send a clear message to schools who make big money on football game days.




re: a Kickoff classic.......as long as the participating school gets to keep the check (like FSU does against OK State in Dallas.....around $3 Million), then I am OK with it.

(05-08-2014 12:15 AM)Marge Schott Wrote:  So does that mean she's in favor of 8 if the CG can be de-regulated?

Not sure, but it seems like it.

Pitt's AD also has come around. That might be enough to stay at 8 games.