(05-05-2014 12:50 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(05-05-2014 12:43 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(05-05-2014 11:51 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  and the point?

If you remember, Mr. Bundy does not even recognize the US Government. .

Did he say he did not recognize the govt or the feds right to own 90%+ of a US state?

Serious Question..

His words:

Quote:"I abide by all of Nevada state laws. But I don’t recognize the United States government as even existing."

(05-05-2014 12:51 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(05-05-2014 12:47 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-05-2014 12:20 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(05-05-2014 11:57 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  The point is that everyone benefits from our government. If they didn't, there would be no need for it.

But not everybody gets it up the ass from our government.

Can you be more specific?

Most of us benefit, that's true. But everybody who works gets fuucked in the ass.

I work. I don't.

I drive to work on a government funded highway and the better part of my job uses government assisted infrastructure. I have protection by police, fire and other first responders too. I could go on all day.

(05-05-2014 12:56 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(05-05-2014 12:43 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(05-05-2014 11:51 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  and the point?

If you remember, Mr. Bundy does not even recognize the US Government. First, while he rides around on a horse carrying the US Flag, and second by benefiting from it with the land he and his family now own.

He's just not very smart...except when he teaches his class on Negro studies.

So which of these are the reason you hate him?

I don't hate him. He's just woefully informed about life and history.

And just where did the Government get all of the land from ? Seems They took it from the Indians. Just like They take what They need from individuals today if They desire.

(05-05-2014 01:04 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(05-05-2014 12:51 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(05-05-2014 12:47 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-05-2014 12:20 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(05-05-2014 11:57 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  The point is that everyone benefits from our government. If they didn't, there would be no need for it.

But not everybody gets it up the ass from our government.

Can you be more specific?

Most of us benefit, that's true. But everybody who works gets fuucked in the ass.

I work. I don't.

I drive to work on a government funded highway and the better part of my job uses government assisted infrastructure. I have protection by police, fire and other first responders too. I could go on all day.

If you work then that's your tax dollars going towards those roads. It goes from the consumer (which is you), to your employer, to you, to your state, to whatever else they "fund" for you, getting taxed all the way down. So you don't actually drive on government funded roads. The state pays the police to protect you, the Fire Dept to put out fires, and EMS services to help you. First you pay though, so it all comes back full circle. I wish I could qualify for food stamps but I make too much, I'd like to at least buy my groceries since I pay for so many others. Driving on my road since I paid for it, and being protected since I paid for it are a given.

(05-05-2014 01:18 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(05-05-2014 01:04 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(05-05-2014 12:51 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(05-05-2014 12:47 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-05-2014 12:20 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  But not everybody gets it up the ass from our government.

Can you be more specific?

Most of us benefit, that's true. But everybody who works gets fuucked in the ass.

I work. I don't.

I drive to work on a government funded highway and the better part of my job uses government assisted infrastructure. I have protection by police, fire and other first responders too. I could go on all day.

If you work then that's your tax dollars going towards those roads. It goes from the consumer (which is you), to your employer, to you, to your state, to whatever else they "fund" for you, getting taxed all the way down. So you don't actually drive on government funded roads. The state pays the police to protect you, the Fire Dept to put out fires, and EMS services to help you. First you pay though, so it all comes back full circle. I wish I could qualify for food stamps but I make too much, I'd like to at least buy my groceries since I pay for so many others. Driving on my road since I paid for it, and being protected since I paid for it are a given.

And you call that getting screwed?

(05-05-2014 01:21 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-05-2014 01:18 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(05-05-2014 01:04 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(05-05-2014 12:51 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(05-05-2014 12:47 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Can you be more specific?

Most of us benefit, that's true. But everybody who works gets fuucked in the ass.

I work. I don't.

I drive to work on a government funded highway and the better part of my job uses government assisted infrastructure. I have protection by police, fire and other first responders too. I could go on all day.

If you work then that's your tax dollars going towards those roads. It goes from the consumer (which is you), to your employer, to you, to your state, to whatever else they "fund" for you, getting taxed all the way down. So you don't actually drive on government funded roads. The state pays the police to protect you, the Fire Dept to put out fires, and EMS services to help you. First you pay though, so it all comes back full circle. I wish I could qualify for food stamps but I make too much, I'd like to at least buy my groceries since I pay for so many others. Driving on my road since I paid for it, and being protected since I paid for it are a given.

And you call that getting screwed?

That's not all we pay for. We don't see or get to use most of the stuff we pay for, so yes, I do call that getting screwed. We're paying for retards to study the change of the climate while they call it global warming, and are the blame for it all in the same sentence. I don't wanna fund that shiit dude, do you?

C'mon LSU. Ever took a look at China lately? Remember what LA use to look like? How about our waterways? Yes, they overstep sometimes...but if seriously don't think there is any benefit whatsoever from agencies like the EPA you're being totally dishonest.

(05-05-2014 01:16 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  And just where did the Government get all of the land from ? Seems They took it from the Indians. Just like They take what They need from individuals today if They desire.

Actually they took it from the Mexicans. See the Mexican cession of 1848. (All of California, Nevada, Utah and part of Wyoming, Colorado, New Mexico & Arizona)

(05-05-2014 02:18 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  C'mon LSU. Ever took a look at China lately? Remember what LA use to look like? How about our waterways? Yes, they overstep sometimes...but if seriously don't think there is any benefit whatsoever from agencies like the EPA you're being totally dishonest.

I said "Most of us benefit" in my earlier post. As far as China goes, are you talking about that huge smog cloud they had? That was pretty damn ugly.

(05-05-2014 01:52 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(05-05-2014 01:21 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-05-2014 01:18 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(05-05-2014 01:04 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(05-05-2014 12:51 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  Most of us benefit, that's true. But everybody who works gets fuucked in the ass.

I work. I don't.

I drive to work on a government funded highway and the better part of my job uses government assisted infrastructure. I have protection by police, fire and other first responders too. I could go on all day.

If you work then that's your tax dollars going towards those roads. It goes from the consumer (which is you), to your employer, to you, to your state, to whatever else they "fund" for you, getting taxed all the way down. So you don't actually drive on government funded roads. The state pays the police to protect you, the Fire Dept to put out fires, and EMS services to help you. First you pay though, so it all comes back full circle. I wish I could qualify for food stamps but I make too much, I'd like to at least buy my groceries since I pay for so many others. Driving on my road since I paid for it, and being protected since I paid for it are a given.

And you call that getting screwed?

That's not all we pay for. We don't see or get to use most of the stuff we pay for, so yes, I do call that getting screwed. We're paying for retards to study the change of the climate while they call it global warming, and are the blame for it all in the same sentence. I don't wanna fund that shiit dude, do you?

I may not agree with all of their findings but yes, I do want my government studying the climate and other things that could effect our future.

(05-05-2014 02:32 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-05-2014 01:52 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(05-05-2014 01:21 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-05-2014 01:18 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(05-05-2014 01:04 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  I work. I don't.

I drive to work on a government funded highway and the better part of my job uses government assisted infrastructure. I have protection by police, fire and other first responders too. I could go on all day.

If you work then that's your tax dollars going towards those roads. It goes from the consumer (which is you), to your employer, to you, to your state, to whatever else they "fund" for you, getting taxed all the way down. So you don't actually drive on government funded roads. The state pays the police to protect you, the Fire Dept to put out fires, and EMS services to help you. First you pay though, so it all comes back full circle. I wish I could qualify for food stamps but I make too much, I'd like to at least buy my groceries since I pay for so many others. Driving on my road since I paid for it, and being protected since I paid for it are a given.

And you call that getting screwed?

That's not all we pay for. We don't see or get to use most of the stuff we pay for, so yes, I do call that getting screwed. We're paying for retards to study the change of the climate while they call it global warming, and are the blame for it all in the same sentence. I don't wanna fund that shiit dude, do you?

I may not agree with all of their findings but yes, I do want my government studying the climate and other things that could effect our future.

Thats what meteorologists are for

I guess the new Liberal talking points are all about subsidies and farms in comparison to welfare. While we are at it, why don't we throw in the minimum wage subsidization and point to the entire population for taking welfare by accepting wages artificially held high because the government thinks that makes sense. Discussion over, we are all government handout takers.

(05-05-2014 02:35 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  I guess the new Liberal talking points are all about subsidies and farms in comparison to welfare. While we are at it, why don't we throw in the minimum wage subsidization and point to the entire population for taking welfare by accepting wages artificially held high because the government thinks that makes sense. Discussion over, we are all government handout takers.

Given that many people working full time are on snap and other government programs couldn't it be argued that wages are being artificially held low? Basically if you are working in the service industry, where most of the jobs are, your employer is being supplemented by the government. A hamburger for $1?

(05-05-2014 03:16 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(05-05-2014 02:35 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  I guess the new Liberal talking points are all about subsidies and farms in comparison to welfare. While we are at it, why don't we throw in the minimum wage subsidization and point to the entire population for taking welfare by accepting wages artificially held high because the government thinks that makes sense. Discussion over, we are all government handout takers.

Given that many people working full time are on snap and other government programs couldn't it be argued that wages are being artificially held low?

I like how liberals are always indebted to the government.

(05-05-2014 03:16 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(05-05-2014 02:35 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  I guess the new Liberal talking points are all about subsidies and farms in comparison to welfare. While we are at it, why don't we throw in the minimum wage subsidization and point to the entire population for taking welfare by accepting wages artificially held high because the government thinks that makes sense. Discussion over, we are all government handout takers.

Given that many people working full time are on snap and other government programs couldn't it be argued that wages are being artificially held low? Basically if you are working in the service industry, where most of the jobs are, your employer is being supplemented by the government. A hamburger for $1?

You do know "service industry" doesn't just mean fast food, right?

But, lets say it did. Is that what we strive for? To make the fry cook at Carls Jr a job with which to get married, buy a house and raise a family? Talk about the soft bigotry of low expectations.

But alas, this is what we've come to. With the incompetence currently running the show, the normalization of minimum wage jobs as the new "American Dream", is what we have to work with.

Set those goals low, folks. You'll never be disappointed.

(05-05-2014 06:33 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(05-05-2014 03:16 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(05-05-2014 02:35 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  I guess the new Liberal talking points are all about subsidies and farms in comparison to welfare. While we are at it, why don't we throw in the minimum wage subsidization and point to the entire population for taking welfare by accepting wages artificially held high because the government thinks that makes sense. Discussion over, we are all government handout takers.

Given that many people working full time are on snap and other government programs couldn't it be argued that wages are being artificially held low? Basically if you are working in the service industry, where most of the jobs are, your employer is being supplemented by the government. A hamburger for $1?

You do know "service industry" doesn't just mean fast food, right?

But, lets say it did. Is that what we strive for? To make the fry cook at Carls Jr a job with which to get married, buy a house and raise a family? Talk about the soft bigotry of low expectations.

But alas, this is what we've come to. With the incompetence currently running the show, the normalization of minimum wage jobs as the new "American Dream", is what we have to work with.

Set those goals low, folks. You'll never be disappointed.

You read a lot into that post of mine. I'm just making an observation/posing a question.

(05-05-2014 01:04 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(05-05-2014 12:51 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(05-05-2014 12:47 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-05-2014 12:20 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(05-05-2014 11:57 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  The point is that everyone benefits from our government. If they didn't, there would be no need for it.

But not everybody gets it up the ass from our government.

Can you be more specific?

Most of us benefit, that's true. But everybody who works gets fuucked in the ass.

I work. I don't.

I drive to work on a government funded highway and the better part of my job uses government assisted infrastructure. I have protection by police, fire and other first responders too. I could go on all day.

And not one of those things is paid for by government. They are paid for by taxpayers, and if you pay your legally obligated taxes, you have already paid your fair share of the cost. So providing those things is just government giving you your money's worth, just like when Mcadonald's sells you a Big Mac.

It is a solid point though. You get positive externalities as a result of taxes. The more the govt takes in the more benefits you get (in theory at least).