(05-03-2014 08:34 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  

(05-03-2014 08:31 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(05-03-2014 08:30 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  The minimum wage needs to be increased.

But the companies that focus completely on the bottom line will kill jobs to maintain their profit margin should it be increased.

I don't know how to go about it, but the minimum wage needs to be increased. Period.

Why?

Because the current minimum wage is not a living wage. It is not enough for someone to live on.

You obviously don't understand how things really work.



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I don't think "living wage" is even defined. it's this fuzzy, intentionally dishonest straw man that democrats have been living on for decades.

(05-03-2014 08:30 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  The minimum wage needs to be increased.

But the companies that focus completely on the bottom line will kill jobs to maintain their profit margin should it be increased.

I don't know how to go about it, but the minimum wage needs to be increased. Period.

why should it be raised?
if your skillset is worth $7.75 an hour that is what you should make. if your skill set is worth $2 that really is what you should make.
You and only you have control over improving your skillset so that you can make more. No one is stuck at their current skillset.

(05-03-2014 08:34 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  

(05-03-2014 08:31 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(05-03-2014 08:30 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  The minimum wage needs to be increased.

But the companies that focus completely on the bottom line will kill jobs to maintain their profit margin should it be increased.

I don't know how to go about it, but the minimum wage needs to be increased. Period.

Why?

Because the current minimum wage is not a living wage. It is not enough for someone to live on.

a minimum wage job is the very bottom of entry level. it was never intended as a way of life kind of job. Again someone with that level of skillset has it totally within their own power to improve their skillset so that the amount they make goes up to a living wage.

(05-03-2014 08:48 PM)maximus Wrote:  

(05-03-2014 08:34 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  

(05-03-2014 08:31 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(05-03-2014 08:30 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  The minimum wage needs to be increased.

But the companies that focus completely on the bottom line will kill jobs to maintain their profit margin should it be increased.

I don't know how to go about it, but the minimum wage needs to be increased. Period.

Why?

Because the current minimum wage is not a living wage. It is not enough for someone to live on.

You obviously don't understand how things really work.

No he doesn't. Give him another 25 years and maybe it will sink in.

(05-03-2014 08:51 PM)EagleX Wrote:  I don't think "living wage" is even defined. it's this fuzzy, intentionally dishonest straw man that democrats have been living on for decades.

The minimum wage is $7.25. After taxes, take home pay is roughly $5.80.

Working 40 hours a week, which is rare for unskilled positions these days, you'd earn less than $1000 net pay a month.

That is simply not enough to live on with prices these days.

A One Bedroom apartment here in Bowling Green ranges from $400, which are really bad, to $600, which are relatively nice. Factor in gas, which is currently $3.50 a gallon and food, which is becoming increasingly expensive and you already have next to no money.

(05-03-2014 08:53 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(05-03-2014 08:34 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  

(05-03-2014 08:31 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(05-03-2014 08:30 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  The minimum wage needs to be increased.

But the companies that focus completely on the bottom line will kill jobs to maintain their profit margin should it be increased.

I don't know how to go about it, but the minimum wage needs to be increased. Period.

Why?

Because the current minimum wage is not a living wage. It is not enough for someone to live on.

a minimum wage job is the very bottom of entry level. it was never intended as a way of life kind of job. Again someone with that level of skillset has it totally within their own power to improve their skillset so that the amount they make goes up to a living wage.

With unemployment as it is, entry level jobs have to be a way of life for some people.

You can't whine all day about unemployment numbers, then turn around and say these people can easily "improve their skillset" and move on.

College is insanely expensive. Many of these people can't afford College.

(05-03-2014 08:54 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  

(05-03-2014 08:51 PM)EagleX Wrote:  I don't think "living wage" is even defined. it's this fuzzy, intentionally dishonest straw man that democrats have been living on for decades.

The minimum wage is $7.25. After taxes, take home pay is roughly $5.80.

Working 40 hours a week, which is rare for unskilled positions these days, you'd earn less than $1000 net pay a month.

That is simply not enough to live on with prices these days.

A One Bedroom apartment here in Bowling Green ranges from $400, which are really bad, to $600, which are relatively nice. Factor in gas, which is currently $3.50 a gallon and food, which is becoming increasingly expensive and you already have next to no money.

All the things you mentioned will cost more when the apartments have to pay their workers more money, when gas stations have to pay their workers more money, and when grocery stores have to pay their workers more money. At that point your new minimum wage is meaningless.

(05-03-2014 08:54 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  

(05-03-2014 08:51 PM)EagleX Wrote:  I don't think "living wage" is even defined. it's this fuzzy, intentionally dishonest straw man that democrats have been living on for decades.

The minimum wage is $7.25. After taxes, take home pay is roughly $5.80.

Working 40 hours a week, which is rare for unskilled positions these days, you'd earn less than $1000 net pay a month.

That is simply not enough to live on with prices these days.

A One Bedroom apartment here in Bowling Green ranges from $400, which are really bad, to $600, which are relatively nice. Factor in gas, which is currently $3.50 a gallon and food, which is becoming increasingly expensive and you already have next to no money.

so, a "living wage" varies by area?

(05-03-2014 08:59 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(05-03-2014 08:54 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  

(05-03-2014 08:51 PM)EagleX Wrote:  I don't think "living wage" is even defined. it's this fuzzy, intentionally dishonest straw man that democrats have been living on for decades.

The minimum wage is $7.25. After taxes, take home pay is roughly $5.80.

Working 40 hours a week, which is rare for unskilled positions these days, you'd earn less than $1000 net pay a month.

That is simply not enough to live on with prices these days.

A One Bedroom apartment here in Bowling Green ranges from $400, which are really bad, to $600, which are relatively nice. Factor in gas, which is currently $3.50 a gallon and food, which is becoming increasingly expensive and you already have next to no money.

All the things you mentioned will cost more when the apartments have to pay their workers more money, when gas stations have to pay their workers more money, and when grocery stores have to pay their workers more money. At that point your new minimum wage is meaningless.

And this is where I said that I don't know HOW it can be done.

It needs to be done, but I really don't know how to do it without shafting half the people already employed. I admit ignorance on how to implement it.

(05-03-2014 08:56 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  

(05-03-2014 08:53 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(05-03-2014 08:34 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  

(05-03-2014 08:31 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(05-03-2014 08:30 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  The minimum wage needs to be increased.

But the companies that focus completely on the bottom line will kill jobs to maintain their profit margin should it be increased.

I don't know how to go about it, but the minimum wage needs to be increased. Period.

Why?

Because the current minimum wage is not a living wage. It is not enough for someone to live on.

a minimum wage job is the very bottom of entry level. it was never intended as a way of life kind of job. Again someone with that level of skillset has it totally within their own power to improve their skillset so that the amount they make goes up to a living wage.

With unemployment as it is, entry level jobs have to be a way of life for some people.

You can't whine all day about unemployment numbers, then turn around and say these people can easily "improve their skillset" and move on.

College is insanely expensive. Many of these people can't afford College.

College is not required to improve your skillset.
Skilled trades don't require college.

Additionally, moving up in a business, store or restaurant doesn't necessarily require college either but to move up it does require coming in on time, doing a great job and not missing work. Those who are still making minimum as adults usually have problems with one or all of the above or they would've moved up. Companies want to promote and reward good workers in order to keep them.

BTW community college is very affordable and if someone is that far down in income there would be quite a bit of financial aid at their disposal.

(05-03-2014 09:02 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(05-03-2014 08:56 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  

(05-03-2014 08:53 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(05-03-2014 08:34 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  

(05-03-2014 08:31 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Why?

Because the current minimum wage is not a living wage. It is not enough for someone to live on.

a minimum wage job is the very bottom of entry level. it was never intended as a way of life kind of job. Again someone with that level of skillset has it totally within their own power to improve their skillset so that the amount they make goes up to a living wage.

With unemployment as it is, entry level jobs have to be a way of life for some people.

You can't whine all day about unemployment numbers, then turn around and say these people can easily "improve their skillset" and move on.

College is insanely expensive. Many of these people can't afford College.

College is not required to improve your skillset.
Skilled trades don't require college.

Additionally, moving up in a business, store or restaurant doesn't necessarily require college either but to move up it does require coming in on time, doing a great job and not missing work. Those who are still making minimum as adults usually have problems with one or all of the above or they would've moved up. Companies want to promote and reward good workers in order to keep them.

BTW community college is very affordable and if someone is that far down in income there would be quite a bit of financial aid at their disposal.

Here's where you're wrong. Companies like Walmart know that the economy is so bad that their employees really have nowhere else to go. So they keep their employees to terrible pay with terrible hours, because they know their employees can't do anything about it.

I worked at Walmart for about 3 years, before and during college. Their internal politics are amazingly harmful to employees.

(05-03-2014 08:34 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  

(05-03-2014 08:31 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(05-03-2014 08:30 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  The minimum wage needs to be increased.

But the companies that focus completely on the bottom line will kill jobs to maintain their profit margin should it be increased.

I don't know how to go about it, but the minimum wage needs to be increased. Period.

Why?

Because the current minimum wage is not a living wage. It is not enough for someone to live on.

Why should it be?

Why should it be more than the value of the goods and/or services that the worker can produce?

(05-03-2014 09:06 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(05-03-2014 08:34 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  

(05-03-2014 08:31 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(05-03-2014 08:30 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  The minimum wage needs to be increased.

But the companies that focus completely on the bottom line will kill jobs to maintain their profit margin should it be increased.

I don't know how to go about it, but the minimum wage needs to be increased. Period.

Why?

Because the current minimum wage is not a living wage. It is not enough for someone to live on.

Why should it be?

Why should it be more than the value of the goods and/or services that the worker can produce?

A person who is making minimum wage is probably on their parent's insurance. A person over 26 years old and still making the minimum isn't really trying.

So what do we do with people making 15-20$ an hour now? will an administrative assistant pulling in 40,000 be happy with a similar wage to a fry cook?

What about civil employees whos salary is tied to the minimum wage. I don't know if that is an issue in Seattle but it has been seen elsewhere.

(05-03-2014 08:30 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  The minimum wage needs to be increased.

But the companies that focus completely on the bottom line will kill jobs to maintain their profit margin should it be increased.

I don't know how to go about it, but the minimum wage needs to be increased. Period.

Companies whos stocks fund your 401k...

(05-03-2014 08:34 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  

(05-03-2014 08:31 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(05-03-2014 08:30 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  The minimum wage needs to be increased.

But the companies that focus completely on the bottom line will kill jobs to maintain their profit margin should it be increased.

I don't know how to go about it, but the minimum wage needs to be increased. Period.

Why?

Because the current minimum wage is not a living wage. It is not enough for someone to live on.

I think Congress missed a golden opportunity to index it to inflation when it was raise to $7.25. Whether you think it's a living wage or not, or whether minimum wage should be a living wage, indexing it to inflation keeps the approximate real value of the wage the same over time.

(05-03-2014 09:30 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  

(05-03-2014 08:34 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  

(05-03-2014 08:31 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(05-03-2014 08:30 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  The minimum wage needs to be increased.

But the companies that focus completely on the bottom line will kill jobs to maintain their profit margin should it be increased.

I don't know how to go about it, but the minimum wage needs to be increased. Period.

Why?

Because the current minimum wage is not a living wage. It is not enough for someone to live on.

I think Congress missed a golden opportunity to index it to inflation when it was raise to $7.25. Whether you think it's a living wage or not, or whether minimum wage should be a living wage, indexing it to inflation keeps the approximate real value of the wage the same over time.

That's all I ask. 20 years ago, the minimum wage was good enough to live on. Or at the very least, much easier.

Now, with how much inflation has driven the prices of everything up, the minimum wage simply isn't enough.

Tie it to inflation, and I'm happy.

(05-03-2014 09:01 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  

(05-03-2014 08:59 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(05-03-2014 08:54 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  

(05-03-2014 08:51 PM)EagleX Wrote:  I don't think "living wage" is even defined. it's this fuzzy, intentionally dishonest straw man that democrats have been living on for decades.

The minimum wage is $7.25. After taxes, take home pay is roughly $5.80.

Working 40 hours a week, which is rare for unskilled positions these days, you'd earn less than $1000 net pay a month.

That is simply not enough to live on with prices these days.

A One Bedroom apartment here in Bowling Green ranges from $400, which are really bad, to $600, which are relatively nice. Factor in gas, which is currently $3.50 a gallon and food, which is becoming increasingly expensive and you already have next to no money.

All the things you mentioned will cost more when the apartments have to pay their workers more money, when gas stations have to pay their workers more money, and when grocery stores have to pay their workers more money. At that point your new minimum wage is meaningless.

And this is where I said that I don't know HOW it can be done.

it can not be imposed... if you want to raise the price of labor increase demand for labor, it's that simple..

Why should the minimum wage be larger than the value of the goods and/or services that the worker produces?