(05-10-2014 02:37 PM)13thOwl Wrote:  

(05-10-2014 12:29 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(05-10-2014 11:04 AM)13thOwl Wrote:  

(05-10-2014 08:45 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(05-10-2014 06:19 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  The problem(s) has been that our current coaching staff (particularly our new OC) has done a horrible job developing QBs. McHargue actually got worse the last 1 1/2 years of his 4 years as a starter, which is inexplicable given we used the same offensive system and schemes the entire time...and DJ kept limitting his opportunities to gain experience by being injury-prone. Based on what we've seen the past 3 years and what we saw in the Bowl game, I have no faith that our offense we be creative or innovative in the slightest.

I'm more concerned with scoring than creativity. We will find out the hard way in a few months if DJ can QB the team and if the offense can score, creatively or otherwise.

My main point was that we had a bunch of fans hollering for DJ to take over. Now we shall see.

I agree with the emphasis on scoring rather than creativity. But as a fan who called for more DJ playing time, it was due to McHargue's injury status week after week. It seemed like the guy was always banged up. DJ had a good game against the AFA, so as a casual fan, I think he can replicate those results. It seemed to me that an injured starter was not getting the desired results, then logically, you call on the backup. I don't think people think DJ is Mike Vick, but they think he is a competent, healthy D1 QB. This thought made DJ > than McHargue when he was hurt. We later found out that DJ was dinged up and backed off the requests for more DJ playing time when McHargue struggled.

I love your optimism and your use of hyperbole, but no one thinks DJ is "the one." He is just a guy who has had good prior results and is now given a chance to see what he can do in a starting situation. I would love for the young man to lead Rice to double digit wins and a bowl game, but I already admire him for his play versus the AFA. I believe he is "next up" and hope he takes advantage of the opportunity. If not, there are other quarterbacks...

Hyperbole? Me? That's just the way I talk.

Did I call him "the one"? If so, sorry.

Seriously, 13th, I think we are just looking at different time periods. In 2012, when McH was getting us off to a 1-5 start, I can see the call for a change for whatever reason. Then we had the 5-1 finish to reach bowl eligibility, and I don't remember any groundswell of DJ sentiment before the AFA game. Then we had the great second half in that bowl, and the groundswell of DJ support started. My position atthat time was not to put too much emphasis on one half of play, no matter how great.

We get the chance this fall to see if, in hindsight, those calling for his promotion were right, or if the caution exercised by the staff was deserved. he will get his shot, and I for one hope he excels. If he falters or is hurt, I have a lot of confidence in the three behind him, that one or another can and will step in and do well.

I think this season will not be the step back many think would be normal after graduating 25 seniors, including NFL picks, but the key is DJ. I hope he shows that the people calling for his promotion a year ago were smarter than I am.

Maybe I am misremembering it sometimes I can be distracted...look something shiny...where was I...oh yeah, I have a good feeling about DJ which is weird because the vibe from the message board is certainly attempting to dampen expectations.

Is that the hyperbole thingie? I always get it confused with the parabola.

I am cautiously optimistic (yeah, I know) about DJ, emphasis on the "cautiously". I think putting so much emphasis on the AFA game is a bit like expecting a guy to bat .800 because he went 4-5 his first day. Just tempering my expectations, not my hopes. Trying to be realistic AND optimistic at the same time.

(05-10-2014 04:44 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(05-10-2014 02:37 PM)13thOwl Wrote:  

(05-10-2014 12:29 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(05-10-2014 11:04 AM)13thOwl Wrote:  

(05-10-2014 08:45 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  I'm more concerned with scoring than creativity. We will find out the hard way in a few months if DJ can QB the team and if the offense can score, creatively or otherwise.

My main point was that we had a bunch of fans hollering for DJ to take over. Now we shall see.

I agree with the emphasis on scoring rather than creativity. But as a fan who called for more DJ playing time, it was due to McHargue's injury status week after week. It seemed like the guy was always banged up. DJ had a good game against the AFA, so as a casual fan, I think he can replicate those results. It seemed to me that an injured starter was not getting the desired results, then logically, you call on the backup. I don't think people think DJ is Mike Vick, but they think he is a competent, healthy D1 QB. This thought made DJ > than McHargue when he was hurt. We later found out that DJ was dinged up and backed off the requests for more DJ playing time when McHargue struggled.

I love your optimism and your use of hyperbole, but no one thinks DJ is "the one." He is just a guy who has had good prior results and is now given a chance to see what he can do in a starting situation. I would love for the young man to lead Rice to double digit wins and a bowl game, but I already admire him for his play versus the AFA. I believe he is "next up" and hope he takes advantage of the opportunity. If not, there are other quarterbacks...

Hyperbole? Me? That's just the way I talk.

Did I call him "the one"? If so, sorry.

Seriously, 13th, I think we are just looking at different time periods. In 2012, when McH was getting us off to a 1-5 start, I can see the call for a change for whatever reason. Then we had the 5-1 finish to reach bowl eligibility, and I don't remember any groundswell of DJ sentiment before the AFA game. Then we had the great second half in that bowl, and the groundswell of DJ support started. My position atthat time was not to put too much emphasis on one half of play, no matter how great.

We get the chance this fall to see if, in hindsight, those calling for his promotion were right, or if the caution exercised by the staff was deserved. he will get his shot, and I for one hope he excels. If he falters or is hurt, I have a lot of confidence in the three behind him, that one or another can and will step in and do well.

I think this season will not be the step back many think would be normal after graduating 25 seniors, including NFL picks, but the key is DJ. I hope he shows that the people calling for his promotion a year ago were smarter than I am.

Maybe I am misremembering it sometimes I can be distracted...look something shiny...where was I...oh yeah, I have a good feeling about DJ which is weird because the vibe from the message board is certainly attempting to dampen expectations.

Is that the hyperbole thingie? I always get it confused with the parabola.

I am cautiously optimistic (yeah, I know) about DJ, emphasis on the "cautiously". I think putting so much emphasis on the AFA game is a bit like expecting a guy to bat .800 because he went 4-5 his first day. Just tempering my expectations, not my hopes. Trying to be realistic AND optimistic at the same time.

I must have drunk some bad water on a trip because I had a Nasty experience with parabolas...

(05-10-2014 05:11 PM)13thOwl Wrote:  

(05-10-2014 04:44 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(05-10-2014 02:37 PM)13thOwl Wrote:  

(05-10-2014 12:29 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(05-10-2014 11:04 AM)13thOwl Wrote:  I agree with the emphasis on scoring rather than creativity. But as a fan who called for more DJ playing time, it was due to McHargue's injury status week after week. It seemed like the guy was always banged up. DJ had a good game against the AFA, so as a casual fan, I think he can replicate those results. It seemed to me that an injured starter was not getting the desired results, then logically, you call on the backup. I don't think people think DJ is Mike Vick, but they think he is a competent, healthy D1 QB. This thought made DJ > than McHargue when he was hurt. We later found out that DJ was dinged up and backed off the requests for more DJ playing time when McHargue struggled.

I love your optimism and your use of hyperbole, but no one thinks DJ is "the one." He is just a guy who has had good prior results and is now given a chance to see what he can do in a starting situation. I would love for the young man to lead Rice to double digit wins and a bowl game, but I already admire him for his play versus the AFA. I believe he is "next up" and hope he takes advantage of the opportunity. If not, there are other quarterbacks...

Hyperbole? Me? That's just the way I talk.

Did I call him "the one"? If so, sorry.

Seriously, 13th, I think we are just looking at different time periods. In 2012, when McH was getting us off to a 1-5 start, I can see the call for a change for whatever reason. Then we had the 5-1 finish to reach bowl eligibility, and I don't remember any groundswell of DJ sentiment before the AFA game. Then we had the great second half in that bowl, and the groundswell of DJ support started. My position atthat time was not to put too much emphasis on one half of play, no matter how great.

We get the chance this fall to see if, in hindsight, those calling for his promotion were right, or if the caution exercised by the staff was deserved. he will get his shot, and I for one hope he excels. If he falters or is hurt, I have a lot of confidence in the three behind him, that one or another can and will step in and do well.

I think this season will not be the step back many think would be normal after graduating 25 seniors, including NFL picks, but the key is DJ. I hope he shows that the people calling for his promotion a year ago were smarter than I am.

Maybe I am misremembering it sometimes I can be distracted...look something shiny...where was I...oh yeah, I have a good feeling about DJ which is weird because the vibe from the message board is certainly attempting to dampen expectations.

Is that the hyperbole thingie? I always get it confused with the parabola.

I am cautiously optimistic (yeah, I know) about DJ, emphasis on the "cautiously". I think putting so much emphasis on the AFA game is a bit like expecting a guy to bat .800 because he went 4-5 his first day. Just tempering my expectations, not my hopes. Trying to be realistic AND optimistic at the same time.

I must have drunk some bad water on a trip because I had a Nasty experience with parabolas...

Nasty with a capital N...

(05-10-2014 02:25 PM)Afflicted Wrote:  

(05-10-2014 10:41 AM)I45owl Wrote:  

(05-10-2014 06:19 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  The problem(s) has been that our current coaching staff (particularly our new OC) has done a horrible job developing QBs. McHargue actually got worse the last 1 1/2 years of his 4 years as a starter, which is inexplicable given we used the same offensive system and schemes the entire time...

I think the critical point is the criteria that you use for evaluating his performance and what the coaching staff uses to do so are probably vastly different. For you, me, and most fans, QB rating is probably the most important (albeit not only) criterion, but for the coaching staff, managing the game, eating clock, minimizing turnovers in dangerous areas, maintaining possession, and doing what he's told are probably more important criteria (and, I won't say that he improved in those areas, either).

But, what we may perceive as regression here may lie in contrast to what the coaching staff had seen as progression.

Yes. The offense is designed to slowly eat clock, hold a lead and keep the defense off of the field. Basically, it's the same strategy Hatfield used, but with the triple option. It's not a quick-strike offense. I'm sure DJ will be instructed to manage the game as opposed to going for big plays and quick scores.

Ha, this made me laugh out loud! If Driphus is still anything like that kid at Cedar Hill that won the Army All American challenge, it's going to be hard to dial back and just play to manage the game. He's got some greedy in him.

(05-11-2014 08:49 AM)Pan95 Wrote:  

(05-10-2014 02:25 PM)Afflicted Wrote:  

(05-10-2014 10:41 AM)I45owl Wrote:  

(05-10-2014 06:19 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  The problem(s) has been that our current coaching staff (particularly our new OC) has done a horrible job developing QBs. McHargue actually got worse the last 1 1/2 years of his 4 years as a starter, which is inexplicable given we used the same offensive system and schemes the entire time...

I think the critical point is the criteria that you use for evaluating his performance and what the coaching staff uses to do so are probably vastly different. For you, me, and most fans, QB rating is probably the most important (albeit not only) criterion, but for the coaching staff, managing the game, eating clock, minimizing turnovers in dangerous areas, maintaining possession, and doing what he's told are probably more important criteria (and, I won't say that he improved in those areas, either).

But, what we may perceive as regression here may lie in contrast to what the coaching staff had seen as progression.

Yes. The offense is designed to slowly eat clock, hold a lead and keep the defense off of the field. Basically, it's the same strategy Hatfield used, but with the triple option. It's not a quick-strike offense. I'm sure DJ will be instructed to manage the game as opposed to going for big plays and quick scores.

Ha, this made me laugh out loud! If Driphus is still anything like that kid at Cedar Hill that won the Army All American challenge, it's going to be hard to dial back and just play to manage the game. He's got some greedy in him.

Maybe so, but who is calling the plays?

(05-11-2014 12:19 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(05-11-2014 08:49 AM)Pan95 Wrote:  

(05-10-2014 02:25 PM)Afflicted Wrote:  

(05-10-2014 10:41 AM)I45owl Wrote:  

(05-10-2014 06:19 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  The problem(s) has been that our current coaching staff (particularly our new OC) has done a horrible job developing QBs. McHargue actually got worse the last 1 1/2 years of his 4 years as a starter, which is inexplicable given we used the same offensive system and schemes the entire time...

I think the critical point is the criteria that you use for evaluating his performance and what the coaching staff uses to do so are probably vastly different. For you, me, and most fans, QB rating is probably the most important (albeit not only) criterion, but for the coaching staff, managing the game, eating clock, minimizing turnovers in dangerous areas, maintaining possession, and doing what he's told are probably more important criteria (and, I won't say that he improved in those areas, either).

But, what we may perceive as regression here may lie in contrast to what the coaching staff had seen as progression.

Yes. The offense is designed to slowly eat clock, hold a lead and keep the defense off of the field. Basically, it's the same strategy Hatfield used, but with the triple option. It's not a quick-strike offense. I'm sure DJ will be instructed to manage the game as opposed to going for big plays and quick scores.

Ha, this made me laugh out loud! If Driphus is still anything like that kid at Cedar Hill that won the Army All American challenge, it's going to be hard to dial back and just play to manage the game. He's got some greedy in him.

Maybe so, but who is calling the plays?

Yeah, I understand what you are saying. Obviously "greedy" can be a good thing if we are executing which I think Driphus is fully capable of doing. I just hope that the staff doesn't try to reign in Driphus to the detriment of the team.

(05-11-2014 04:18 PM)Pan95 Wrote:  

(05-11-2014 12:19 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(05-11-2014 08:49 AM)Pan95 Wrote:  

(05-10-2014 02:25 PM)Afflicted Wrote:  

(05-10-2014 10:41 AM)I45owl Wrote:  I think the critical point is the criteria that you use for evaluating his performance and what the coaching staff uses to do so are probably vastly different. For you, me, and most fans, QB rating is probably the most important (albeit not only) criterion, but for the coaching staff, managing the game, eating clock, minimizing turnovers in dangerous areas, maintaining possession, and doing what he's told are probably more important criteria (and, I won't say that he improved in those areas, either).

But, what we may perceive as regression here may lie in contrast to what the coaching staff had seen as progression.

Yes. The offense is designed to slowly eat clock, hold a lead and keep the defense off of the field. Basically, it's the same strategy Hatfield used, but with the triple option. It's not a quick-strike offense. I'm sure DJ will be instructed to manage the game as opposed to going for big plays and quick scores.

Ha, this made me laugh out loud! If Driphus is still anything like that kid at Cedar Hill that won the Army All American challenge, it's going to be hard to dial back and just play to manage the game. He's got some greedy in him.

Maybe so, but who is calling the plays?

Yeah, I understand what you are saying. Obviously "greedy" can be a good thing if we are executing which I think Driphus is fully capable of doing. I just hope that the staff doesn't try to reign in Driphus to the detriment of the team.

If being greedy means he can and will make something out of nothing, I am happy to have him greedy. But first he needs to recognize when we have nothing.

I think he can be a playmaker. We'll see.

(05-11-2014 04:18 PM)Pan95 Wrote:  

(05-11-2014 12:19 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(05-11-2014 08:49 AM)Pan95 Wrote:  

(05-10-2014 02:25 PM)Afflicted Wrote:  

(05-10-2014 10:41 AM)I45owl Wrote:  I think the critical point is the criteria that you use for evaluating his performance and what the coaching staff uses to do so are probably vastly different. For you, me, and most fans, QB rating is probably the most important (albeit not only) criterion, but for the coaching staff, managing the game, eating clock, minimizing turnovers in dangerous areas, maintaining possession, and doing what he's told are probably more important criteria (and, I won't say that he improved in those areas, either).

But, what we may perceive as regression here may lie in contrast to what the coaching staff had seen as progression.

Yes. The offense is designed to slowly eat clock, hold a lead and keep the defense off of the field. Basically, it's the same strategy Hatfield used, but with the triple option. It's not a quick-strike offense. I'm sure DJ will be instructed to manage the game as opposed to going for big plays and quick scores.

Ha, this made me laugh out loud! If Driphus is still anything like that kid at Cedar Hill that won the Army All American challenge, it's going to be hard to dial back and just play to manage the game. He's got some greedy in him.

Maybe so, but who is calling the plays?

Yeah, I understand what you are saying. Obviously "greedy" can be a good thing if we are executing which I think Driphus is fully capable of doing. I just hope that the staff doesn't try to reign in Driphus to the detriment of the team.

I guess we shall see, but in an era where QBs wear a target and this staff spent considerable time trying to keep the previous QB healthy and taught him to do a baseball slide, my expectation is that they will encourage him to be conservative. That did not stop McHargue from making big plays now and then, but it was noticable.