I guess I'm old fashion but to me I always consider PAC as only real rival to B1G that I care about. I grew up looking to B1G winner playing PAC winner in Rose Bowl and even to this day that's the only one that really matters to me. This year was a bit tricky in that the Rose Bowl was played in twice if you count NC game but I'd rather have Rose Bowl win than NC game played some where else. How about you?


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None.

Yes, I generally would rather have a Rose Bowl win against a highly ranked PAC opponent.

If the Big Ten was undefeated then it would be a tough call.

I was a kid in the days when the Rose Bowl was the only one allowed, and even though I got used to BigTen schools playing in other bowls, its always playing a highly ranked PAC school that's the hoped for end of the year.

I guess it all depends on what:
Basketball, the ACC (due in no small part to the challenge)
Football, SEC (they love to hate on us and vice versa, we just need to win more)
Wrestling, Big 12
Womens volleyball, Pac12.
Hockey, NCHC
Lacrosse, ACC (especially with Maryland v ACC lawsuit fiasco)
Baseball MAC & Big East (boy do we suck in baseball)
Undergrad Academics (ACC / Pac12)
Research and Graduate Academics, the Ivy League (although if Johns Hopkins joins the CIC that won't even be a competition anymore)

The Rose Bowl against the PAC-12 is still special. The national championship might be bigger, but only because of the implications for a title. If I was watching two teams I didn't care about I'd rather watch the Rose Bowl than the championship anyday.

All that said, if you go out and ask people around here which is the biggest Big Ten rival conference, I'd guess you 'd see something like this:

75% SEC
20% PAC-12
5% other

The SEC is truly hated now given how high they have progressed over the past decade.

(05-03-2014 02:11 PM)ohio1317 Wrote:  ... All that said, if you go out and ask people around here which is the biggest Big Ten rival conference, I'd guess you 'd see something like this:

75% SEC
20% PAC-12
5% other

And the answers would likely break quite different between 15-25 and 45+, with 25-45 in the middle.

Count me in the minority who would rather the Big Ten champ face and beat the PAC 12 champ than go to the National Championship against an SEC team.

(05-06-2014 12:06 PM)DexterDevil Wrote:  Count me in the minority who would rather the Big Ten champ face and beat the PAC 12 champ than go to the National Championship against an SEC team.

I'd take that as well. When the Rose Bowl is the ultimate goal is is just as special as the national championship.

In FB, it seems like the long standing PAC-12 relationship still holds, though followed closely by the ACC (and its the newbies that bring some of those ACC games in):

Big Ten OOC opponents

P5: 17/14 = 1.21
PAC12 (5): Utah, @Oregon, WA St., @Washington, Cal
ACC (4): @Syracuse, VTech, @Pitt, UMiami,
Big12 (3): WVU, Iowa St., TCU,
Ind (3): @ND x2, ND(n)
SEC (2): @Mizzou, LSU(n)

Go5: 28/14 = 2.00
MAC (11): @BGU, BGU, MiamiU, EMU, Kent, Akron, UMass, Ball St., NIU, WMU, CMU,
AAC (6): @USF, USF, UC, UCF(n), Temple, Tulane,
CUSA (4): North Texas, WKU, MTSU, FAU,
MWC (3): Wyoming, SJSU, Fresno St.,
Sunbelt (2): Appy St., Texas St.,
Ind (2): @Navy x2,

FCS: 11/14 = 0.79
Indiana State, JMU, Jax St., Howard, Youngstown, N Iowa, E Illinois, McNeese St., W Illinois x2, S Illinois
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culturally ==> pac12
athletically ==> sec
academically ==> acc
geographically ==> b12

doesn't get any more clear cut than that

(05-09-2014 12:03 AM)john01992 Wrote:  culturally ==> pac12
athletically ==> sec
academically ==> acc
geographically ==> b12

doesn't get any more clear cut than that

I was going to list those 4 conferences and I like your reasons, but I got to add a 5th.

Simbiotic rival ==》 MAC

The MAC is a rival but its a more little brother type relationship.

(05-09-2014 08:09 AM)goofus Wrote:  [quote='john01992' pid='10736091' dateline='1399611794'] I was going to list those 4 conferences and I like your reasons, but I got to add a 5th.

Simbiotic rival ==》 MAC

The MAC is a rival but its a more little brother type relationship.

In a one-sided sense ... the MAC cares more about beating the Big Ten than the other way around ... from the Big Ten perspective, the MAC is more a buy game resource, as can be seen by the fact that in 2014, the Big Ten has more home games against MAC schools than any two other conferences put together (and that one game with a Big Ten team traveling to the MAC is Indiana, which sounds like they won't be doing that kind of scheduling once the Big Ten moves to 9 conference games).

That's similar to the relationship between the SEC and the Sunbelt and CUSA (where the SEC plays both more Go5 games and more FCS games than the Big Ten, by due to their more limited number of OOC P5 games, with only one school playing two P5 games OOC in 2014, and four schools playing no P5 school OOC).