(04-29-2014 12:49 AM)Marge Schott Wrote:  I don't give a f**k how much it is as long as Pitt, Cuse, ND and UL don't receive a dime. SHOW ME THE MONEY!

I personally don't care, but there's a zero percent chance of that happening. SU and Pitt were full members when UND left, and ND is well... ND.

UL won't get anything, though. They didn't joining until after UMD left.

(04-29-2014 01:01 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(04-29-2014 12:49 AM)Marge Schott Wrote:  I don't give a f**k how much it is as long as Pitt, Cuse, ND and UL don't receive a dime. SHOW ME THE MONEY!

I personally don't care, but there's a zero percent chance of that happening. SU and Pitt were full members when UND left, and ND is well... ND.

UL won't get anything, though. They didn't joining until after UMD left.

We don't need or deserve any of the exit fee $ from Maryland. We never made all the BE/AAC exit fee $ an issue either.

We are entering the ACC as a full revenue sharing member and that, in itself, is tremendous. Once the ACCN is up and running, we will get a full share of that as well.

(04-29-2014 12:49 AM)Marge Schott Wrote:  I don't give a f**k how much it is as long as Pitt, Cuse, ND and UL don't receive a dime. SHOW ME THE MONEY!

Louisville will be Top 15 in revenue once it receives its first ACC check. Might even make it into the Top 10. We don't need any of Maryland's money.
CJ

(04-29-2014 03:46 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(04-29-2014 12:49 AM)Marge Schott Wrote:  I don't give a f**k how much it is as long as Pitt, Cuse, ND and UL don't receive a dime. SHOW ME THE MONEY!

Louisville will be Top 15 in revenue once it receives its first ACC check. Might even make it into the Top 10. We don't need any of Maryland's money.
CJ

Spot on!

FSU doesn't "need" it, either. But the only worthwhile part of this ACC vs UMD crap is the money. So back dat dumptruck up onto Champions Way in Tallahassee. UL apparently got a sweetheart deal on your arena so good on you.

Cuse and Pitt shouldn't receive 100% of what the rest of the league receives, but they probably will.

Personally, I think the ACC should consider creating an endowment out of it for conference-wide projects.

(04-29-2014 12:06 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  Personally, I think the ACC should consider creating an endowment out of it for conference-wide projects.

Yes, namely their own tv network. Like the PAc 12 or BIG.

(04-29-2014 11:56 AM)Marge Schott Wrote:  FSU doesn't "need" it, either. But the only worthwhile part of this ACC vs UMD crap is the money. So back dat dumptruck up onto Champions Way in Tallahassee. UL apparently got a sweetheart deal on your arena so good on you.

Cuse and Pitt shouldn't receive 100% of what the rest of the league receives, but they probably will.

Syracuse doesnt need the money either, since it will a top 3 Athletic Dept. in the ACC. But I would say that Syracuse and Pitt both accepted invitations to an Acc that included Maryland. If the Acc had fallen apart during that time, (which emails that have been leaked, shows very well could have happened, if not for cool heads leading the way), SU and Pitt would have been affected as much as any other ACC school in finding a new home.

(04-29-2014 11:56 AM)Marge Schott Wrote:  FSU doesn't "need" it, either. But the only worthwhile part of this ACC vs UMD crap is the money. So back dat dumptruck up onto Champions Way in Tallahassee. UL apparently got a sweetheart deal on your arena so good on you.

Cuse and Pitt shouldn't receive 100% of what the rest of the league receives, but they probably will.

Beware going down the "we've been here longer" road, FSU fans. This dates back to 1953; FSU joined in 1991.

(04-29-2014 12:11 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(04-29-2014 12:06 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  Personally, I think the ACC should consider creating an endowment out of it for conference-wide projects.

Yes, namely their own tv network. Like the PAc 12 or BIG.

+1. Get some ROI.

(04-29-2014 12:19 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(04-29-2014 11:56 AM)Marge Schott Wrote:  FSU doesn't "need" it, either. But the only worthwhile part of this ACC vs UMD crap is the money. So back dat dumptruck up onto Champions Way in Tallahassee. UL apparently got a sweetheart deal on your arena so good on you.

Cuse and Pitt shouldn't receive 100% of what the rest of the league receives, but they probably will.

Beware going down the "we've been here longer" road, FSU fans. This dates back to 1953; FSU joined in 1991.

(04-29-2014 12:11 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(04-29-2014 12:06 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  Personally, I think the ACC should consider creating an endowment out of it for conference-wide projects.

Yes, namely their own tv network. Like the PAc 12 or BIG.

+1. Get some ROI.

I don't think they're going to need $32 million for that, since like the SECN, most of the startup will be on ESPN (the major reason for going with that model), but some of that money could be used to get a network going.

Regardless, I'd rather them think of things they can do to strengthen the overall conference with that money, as opposed to everyone getting a $2-3 million bounce for just one year.

People that want to talk about the CIC...and you know how I feel about that.... but a big difference in its operations is that it collects over $2 million a year in dues from its members so it employes multiple staff to run its purchasing consortium and university IT best practice meetings, etc. If you put $32 million into an endowment, and then you are generating $1.5 million a year off the principal every year that could fund an ACCIAC that is much more of an equivalent without having to collect dues. Heck, you could then collect dues, and instead of using it for operations, add it to the endowment so that it grows at a much faster rate and the annual operating budget goes up that much faster. Every school is then invested in that endowment and would, hopefully, see tangible benefits at some point in the future. Hell, by the end of the current grant of rights, you'd have an academic consortium with a $3 million annual budget with such a model.

(04-29-2014 12:49 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(04-29-2014 12:19 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(04-29-2014 11:56 AM)Marge Schott Wrote:  FSU doesn't "need" it, either. But the only worthwhile part of this ACC vs UMD crap is the money. So back dat dumptruck up onto Champions Way in Tallahassee. UL apparently got a sweetheart deal on your arena so good on you.

Cuse and Pitt shouldn't receive 100% of what the rest of the league receives, but they probably will.

Beware going down the "we've been here longer" road, FSU fans. This dates back to 1953; FSU joined in 1991.

(04-29-2014 12:11 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(04-29-2014 12:06 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  Personally, I think the ACC should consider creating an endowment out of it for conference-wide projects.

Yes, namely their own tv network. Like the PAc 12 or BIG.

+1. Get some ROI.

I don't think they're going to need $32 million for that, since like the SECN, most of the startup will be on ESPN (the major reason for going with that model), but some of that money could be used to get a network going.

Regardless, I'd rather them think of things they can do to strengthen the overall conference with that money, as opposed to everyone getting a $2-3 million bounce for just one year.

How many tier 2 games could the ACC buy back with $32M ?

(04-29-2014 12:53 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(04-29-2014 12:49 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(04-29-2014 12:19 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(04-29-2014 11:56 AM)Marge Schott Wrote:  FSU doesn't "need" it, either. But the only worthwhile part of this ACC vs UMD crap is the money. So back dat dumptruck up onto Champions Way in Tallahassee. UL apparently got a sweetheart deal on your arena so good on you.

Cuse and Pitt shouldn't receive 100% of what the rest of the league receives, but they probably will.

Beware going down the "we've been here longer" road, FSU fans. This dates back to 1953; FSU joined in 1991.

(04-29-2014 12:11 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(04-29-2014 12:06 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  Personally, I think the ACC should consider creating an endowment out of it for conference-wide projects.

Yes, namely their own tv network. Like the PAc 12 or BIG.

+1. Get some ROI.

I don't think they're going to need $32 million for that, since like the SECN, most of the startup will be on ESPN (the major reason for going with that model), but some of that money could be used to get a network going.

Regardless, I'd rather them think of things they can do to strengthen the overall conference with that money, as opposed to everyone getting a $2-3 million bounce for just one year.

How many tier 2 games could the ACC buy back with $32M ?

Does the ACC have to buy them back, or ESPN, which subleased them in the first place?

Privately -- $34M + this 'investment money' that lumberpack just talked about that I had no clue existed.

Publicly, for the press and mass consumption: $34M.

(04-29-2014 01:03 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(04-29-2014 12:53 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(04-29-2014 12:49 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(04-29-2014 12:19 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(04-29-2014 11:56 AM)Marge Schott Wrote:  FSU doesn't "need" it, either. But the only worthwhile part of this ACC vs UMD crap is the money. So back dat dumptruck up onto Champions Way in Tallahassee. UL apparently got a sweetheart deal on your arena so good on you.

Cuse and Pitt shouldn't receive 100% of what the rest of the league receives, but they probably will.

Beware going down the "we've been here longer" road, FSU fans. This dates back to 1953; FSU joined in 1991.

(04-29-2014 12:11 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  Yes, namely their own tv network. Like the PAc 12 or BIG.

+1. Get some ROI.

I don't think they're going to need $32 million for that, since like the SECN, most of the startup will be on ESPN (the major reason for going with that model), but some of that money could be used to get a network going.

Regardless, I'd rather them think of things they can do to strengthen the overall conference with that money, as opposed to everyone getting a $2-3 million bounce for just one year.

How many tier 2 games could the ACC buy back with $32M ?

Does the ACC have to buy them back, or ESPN, which subleased them in the first place?

I'm pretty sure the SEC had to buy theirs back (which is why their conference payout was less last year).

(04-29-2014 02:46 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(04-29-2014 01:03 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(04-29-2014 12:53 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(04-29-2014 12:49 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(04-29-2014 12:19 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Beware going down the "we've been here longer" road, FSU fans. This dates back to 1953; FSU joined in 1991.


+1. Get some ROI.

I don't think they're going to need $32 million for that, since like the SECN, most of the startup will be on ESPN (the major reason for going with that model), but some of that money could be used to get a network going.

Regardless, I'd rather them think of things they can do to strengthen the overall conference with that money, as opposed to everyone getting a $2-3 million bounce for just one year.

How many tier 2 games could the ACC buy back with $32M ?

Does the ACC have to buy them back, or ESPN, which subleased them in the first place?

I'm pretty sure the SEC had to buy theirs back (which is why their conference payout was less last year).

The SEC was different though: individual teams retained some broadcast rights for local distribution.

(04-29-2014 12:06 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  Personally, I think the ACC should consider creating an endowment out of it for conference-wide projects.

There will be a 'John Swofford and Son' endowment created soon.


Unless all this money is dumped into a profit generating network (doubt it) or into football....it doesn't matter.


The money won't do much for the ACC....not sure why the ACC is so fixated on it.


My guess is the ACC increases basketball head coaches salaries for a couple of years.

(04-29-2014 02:55 PM)nole Wrote:  

(04-29-2014 12:06 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  Personally, I think the ACC should consider creating an endowment out of it for conference-wide projects.

There will be a 'John Swofford and Son' endowment created soon.


Unless all this money is dumped into a profit generating network (doubt it) or into football....it doesn't matter.


The money won't do much for the ACC....not sure why the ACC is so fixated on it.


My guess is the ACC increases basketball head coaches salaries for a couple of years.

What about Swofford's daughter? She is an alumnae of FSU and played varsity soccer for the 'noles.

(04-29-2014 12:53 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  How many tier 2 games could the ACC buy back with $32M ?

Raycom paid ESPN $50 million for the rights they have and what they then sold to the Fox RSNs.

Considering that, not many and nowhere near enough for content to fuel a network.

(04-29-2014 03:39 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(04-29-2014 12:53 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  How many tier 2 games could the ACC buy back with $32M ?

Raycom paid ESPN $50 million for the rights they have and what they then sold to the Fox RSNs.

Considering that, not many and nowhere near enough for content to fuel a network.

Hold on! If it was only 50 and the ACC gets to keep the 34 from Maryland, then all we need to do is for the ACC and each team to pony up another million and change...

(04-29-2014 04:22 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(04-29-2014 03:39 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(04-29-2014 12:53 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  How many tier 2 games could the ACC buy back with $32M ?

Raycom paid ESPN $50 million for the rights they have and what they then sold to the Fox RSNs.

Considering that, not many and nowhere near enough for content to fuel a network.

Hold on! If it was only 50 and the ACC gets to keep the 34 from Maryland, then all we need to do is for the ACC and each team to pony up another million and change...

Clemson will not have a million and change to spare with the revenue we will lose when the conference goes to 9 games again.