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This subject came up on the "Open letter to Jeff Jones" thread, and as it was indeed a off thread topic I thought it deserved it's own thread. I have seen numerous posts regarding these changes, and many of them bear little semblance to fact.

I stumbled upon the following article two days ago on the CUSA board. I think it does a good job of giving a concise explaination of the changes and what they might mean for the future of college athletics at the Division 1 level. It was written by Dennis Dodd of CBS Sports.
http://mweb.cbssports.com/ncaaf/writer/d...-this-week

(04-25-2014 12:37 PM)paintedblue Wrote:  This subject came up on the "Open letter to Jeff Jones" thread, and as it was indeed a off thread topic I thought it deserved it's own thread. I have seen numerous posts regarding these changes, and many of them bear little semblance to fact.

I stumbled upon the following article two days ago on the CUSA board. I think it does a good job of giving a concise explaination of the changes and what they might mean for the future of college athletics at the Division 1 level. It was written by Dennis Dodd of CBS Sports.
http://mweb.cbssports.com/ncaaf/writer/d...-this-week

So the question is....How does ODU & CUSA fit into the proposed changes? It appears that the G5 with be given the option to run with the big dogs.

(04-25-2014 02:00 PM)KevBoom Wrote:  

(04-25-2014 12:37 PM)paintedblue Wrote:  This subject came up on the "Open letter to Jeff Jones" thread, and as it was indeed a off thread topic I thought it deserved it's own thread. I have seen numerous posts regarding these changes, and many of them bear little semblance to fact.

I stumbled upon the following article two days ago on the CUSA board. I think it does a good job of giving a concise explaination of the changes and what they might mean for the future of college athletics at the Division 1 level. It was written by Dennis Dodd of CBS Sports.
http://mweb.cbssports.com/ncaaf/writer/d...-this-week

So the question is....How does ODU & CUSA fit into the proposed changes? It appears that the G5 with be given the option to run with the big dogs.

To continue your big fog analogy, I think this means the big dogs have been unleashed and the other dogs are free to continue running behind them as far as their financial leashes will stretch.

This could mean some seperation and regrouping of the G5 schools that cannot or are unwilling to afford the increased expenses. I believe ODU's administration as well as the CUSA have made it clear that their intention is to pay for full cost of attendance stipends.

Keep in mind it would be dumb to say we have no intention of competing. WS made the correct statement at the time, will see if that proves to be correct years down the road.


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The bright side (I guess) is that smaller schools will be more encouraged to whore themselves out for the payday games, that is if they will play us. One scheduled beatdown vs. Alabama or Auburn will cover the stipend.

(04-25-2014 02:29 PM)ODUR8R Wrote:  Keep in mind it would be dumb to say we have no intention of competing. WS made the correct statement at the time, will see if that proves to be correct years down the road.

That is a good point. Given the current status of things, ODU should continue to pursue competing at the highest level. But if the arms race intensifies and spirals at some point ODU (and many other schools) will be unable to keep up.

I wonder what this will do to the bottom of division 1? Will some low-major schools decide to drop to D2?

I believe there will be a split. However, instead of it being a P5/G5 split, it would move the non-football D1 conferences and FCS conferences down a level; making them the new D2. But who knows?

I don't think that the non-football schools will be affected that much. They can handle their stipends with a few nice donors.

It's not stipends. There will be no limit placed upon full cost of attendance.


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(04-25-2014 03:08 PM)ODUR8R Wrote:  It's not stipends. There will be no limit placed upon full cost of attendance.


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True. But my main concern is who is going to plug the dam once it bursts? Once the P5 get this pushed through, what's to limit the stipends to $10,000? What if they want to raise the limit to $100,000, etc. Who is going to stop them? That's when the real separation will occur.

But cost of attendance has an actual definition, correct?

I mean, it differs from school to school but Ohio State can't say the cost of attendance for a scholarship student is 20k but for scholarship football players it's 40k.

That is what will limit the stipends (and by extension the full cost of attendance).

(04-25-2014 03:08 PM)ODUR8R Wrote:  It's not stipends. There will be no limit placed upon full cost of attendance.


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Not sure where this is coming from. The COA is generally set by the federal government, as financial aid will only cover/be offered up to that amount. Most universities (that aren't located in places where the cost of living isn't extremely high) have COA about 2000$ over the amount of a full grant in aid. I expect it to be 2000 and only for football/basketball. I highly doubt any school (P5 or not) will be dishing out money to the Olympic sport athletes.

Plus I would assume schools will use the money they get from the NCAA. At my alma mater we had a fund in the athletics department that could be used if a kid needed to cover medical expenses or something they couldn't afford

(04-25-2014 03:12 PM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  

(04-25-2014 03:08 PM)ODUR8R Wrote:  It's not stipends. There will be no limit placed upon full cost of attendance.


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True. But my main concern is who is going to plug the dam once it bursts? Once the P5 get this pushed through, what's to limit the stipends to $10,000? What if they want to raise the limit to $100,000, etc. Who is going to stop them? That's when the real separation will occur.

There will be a cap on the spending with the P5. They are greedy, not stupid. Even within their own conferences there is disparity. Wake Forest is not going to have the same financial resources as Florida State. If Alabama, Texas, Penn State, with their virtually unlimited $, are allowed to run wild there will be a huge price to pay for the majority of the schools.

P5 should be careful what they wish for. The fox is guarding the hen house!

There will be another shuffle of alignment down the road.

(04-25-2014 05:33 PM)Justanodufan Wrote:  

(04-25-2014 03:08 PM)ODUR8R Wrote:  It's not stipends. There will be no limit placed upon full cost of attendance.


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Not sure where this is coming from. The COA is generally set by the federal government, as financial aid will only cover/be offered up to that amount. Most universities (that aren't located in places where the cost of living isn't extremely high) have COA about 2000$ over the amount of a full grant in aid. I expect it to be 2000 and only for football/basketball. I highly doubt any school (P5 or not) will be dishing out money to the Olympic sport athletes.

Plus I would assume schools will use the money they get from the NCAA. At my alma mater we had a fund in the athletics department that could be used if a kid needed to cover medical expenses or something they couldn't afford

The COA is not set by the Federal Government.
Those schools that receive Federal financial aid funds must post a net price calculator that shows that institution's Cost of Attendance (Price of Attendance).
That published Cost of Attendance then establishes the limits for qualified financial aid and student loans available to the student; again, only of those schools receive Federal financial assistance.

I'm not as up on this as some of you but my understanding is that athletes will not be issued checks for food, instead Alabama and Florida State may provide meals from highly desirable restaurants whereas other universities may offer McDonald's and Taco Bell.

Regional ACC school plays a game at the Rose Bowl, pays to fly members of each family to the game.

How will that be governed?

My point is all the extra's that certain schools can offer that can't be quantified.

(04-25-2014 05:57 PM)ODUR8R Wrote:  I'm not as up on this as some of you but my understanding is that athletes will not be issued checks for food, instead Alabama and Florida State may provide meals from highly desirable restaurants whereas other universities may offer McDonald's and Taco Bell.

Regional ACC school plays a game at the Rose Bowl, pays to fly members of each family to the game.

How will that be governed?

My point is all the extra's that certain schools can offer that can't be quantified.

Exactly. The fox is guarding the hen house!

Remember, there was a reason for all of these ridiculous and stupid rules the NCAA has. They didn't just think up these crazy rules. They were created as an answer to something a school did that was wrong or used to gain an unfair advantage. Should the rules be updated for 2014 - yes, but thinking that opening up the $ reserves of the P5 and that they will govern themselves better is naive.

Despite what you think of the NCAA it is a collection of schools that govern themselves. The presidents sit on the boards and make decisions. They can't agree to implement the completely logical Knight Commission recommendations - We are supposed to believe that they can be trusted with the whole show?